M-401, M-402, DSE-103, and 84mm mini

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How do these 4 e-cigarettes compare to one another and what are there major differences?

Also how do the compare in terms of:
throat hit
battery longevity (how long till the have to be charged)
cartridge longevity (how long till the cart runs out of juice)
atomizer/battery life span (how long till they break)

Basically what seperates these from one another and which one would you recommend and why?

Thanks to anyone who helps me out
 

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look in the video reviews section...may have done reviews on the products you are interested and some that you might not even know you might like :)

Thanks, I got mine (I use the Vapor King and love it). This is for my mom. She wants something that looks similar to a cigarette. And I'm trying to make sure it is also functional/easy to use, similar throat hit, and doesn't break easily.

I'll go ahead and check out the review section a little more in depth. It's just confusing trying to keep all these different types in order and the reviews don't really help me understand the differences between the types too much.

Thanks again
 

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Hey New,
I have both the 84 mm mini and the m401/403 which I ordered from Wayne.
The M40x is a great personal vaporizer with a build quality second to none. The vapor is outstanding and the draw is about a medium. I also have a 901 and the M40x seems to have better battery life and an easier draw. The cartridge is easy to refill on the m401 but not as easy as the 901 or the 84mm. I love the usb chargers which I use on both of these models. The matte black finish is also very nice.
The 84mm is a great choice. My wife loves it and also our best friends use it every day. It is very light with great vapor production. I ordered it from Wayne as well. It has a very light draw and the best automatic switch I have used. The looks are great and it really is almost identical to a real cigarette. The batteries do not last very long but they charge very quickly. I would suggest having three batteries to get you through the day at least. A passthrough is available for all these models however Wayne does not carry them yet!!
The cartridges on the 84mm are tiny but easy to refill. My suggestion is to bring several with you and refill them all together since they have screw tops lids and are easy to store and carry. I do cut my juice with glycerin and I find that the vapor is both thicker and more satisfying.
I am a student and I love my e-cigarette when i study. A little nicotine really helps me focus. I have not tried the dse103 but I would say the m403 would be a better choice in its place.
For a person looking to replace the feel of a real cigarette, you cant go wrong with the 84mm from Heaven's Gift. Wayne is the best and is so good with service and support. He is getting passthroughs soon if you can wait a few days.
Let me know if you have any questions.
How do you like your Vapor King??
I was looking to order that style but they seem so expensive.
How do you feel about it??
Thanks
 

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cbeight,
Thanx for your input on the 84mm.. sounds like I made a good choice.
I have one on order from Heaven's Gift/ryuandirect (ordered the kit yesterday). How long can I expect to wait for delivery?
I haven't ordered any additional juice yet- but I plan to. The 50 carts should last at least a little while, but I'd like to get set up with additional juicemaking supplies soon. What are you using for juice/refilling?
 

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Wayne's shipping was insanely fast if you picked EMS. I had it in less then a week.
I use 18mg juice from Wayne cut with a little glycerin.
I love the RY4 flavor and his mint is awesome.
He said he is getting more flavors. I ordered little plastic bottles from US plastics and ue them to refill the carts and mix juice in.
If you like syringes then Tractor supply company carries a great cheap assortment.
As always a bent paperclip will be your best friend while refilling carts.
I have found with the 84mm that the usb charger is slightly slower than the larger normal charger that comes with the kit.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
 

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Hey New,
I have both the 84 mm mini and the m401/403 which I ordered from Wayne.
The M40x is a great personal vaporizer with a build quality second to none. The vapor is outstanding and the draw is about a medium. I also have a 901 and the M40x seems to have better battery life and an easier draw. The cartridge is easy to refill on the m401 but not as easy as the 901 or the 84mm. I love the usb chargers which I use on both of these models. The matte black finish is also very nice.
The 84mm is a great choice. My wife loves it and also our best friends use it every day. It is very light with great vapor production. I ordered it from Wayne as well. It has a very light draw and the best automatic switch I have used. The looks are great and it really is almost identical to a real cigarette. The batteries do not last very long but they charge very quickly. I would suggest having three batteries to get you through the day at least. A passthrough is available for all these models however Wayne does not carry them yet!!
The cartridges on the 84mm are tiny but easy to refill. My suggestion is to bring several with you and refill them all together since they have screw tops lids and are easy to store and carry. I do cut my juice with glycerin and I find that the vapor is both thicker and more satisfying.
I am a student and I love my e-cigarette when i study. A little nicotine really helps me focus. I have not tried the dse103 but I would say the m403 would be a better choice in its place.
For a person looking to replace the feel of a real cigarette, you cant go wrong with the 84mm from Heaven's Gift. Wayne is the best and is so good with service and support. He is getting passthroughs soon if you can wait a few days.
Let me know if you have any questions.
How do you like your Vapor King??
I was looking to order that style but they seem so expensive.
How do you feel about it??
Thanks

Thanks for the info cbeight. I keep going back and forth but it sounds like I can't go wrong with either.

I really like the Vapor King (it's the only e-cigarette I've owned but love it so far). It has a great throat hit and the switch works perfect. I was a pack a day smoker (I was able to quit immediately once my VK arrived) and the battery and cartridge both last the full day (cart isn't usually fully dry but I switch in the morning anyway, probably keep vaping for a while longer if need be).

Main advantage of the VK has got to be the convenience. It's only two pieces and with the 5 pack of cartomizers (atomizer with cart) for 12.50 you don't have to worry about them dying/burning out as much. There also relatively easy to fill (just drip in a couple drops into the battery whole let it sit and you're good to go). From what I heard you can fill the cartomizers up many times also. Flavors are amazing too, I love menthol and mint.

Only downside for me personally is the look. It has a blue LED and carts are colored based on flavor (which is nice to keep them seperated but for when I go out I'd much rather have an option that looks more like an analog hence the reason I'm getting one of these for my mom and me)

One more question. Based solely on throat hit how do the M40X and 84mm compare? Close or is one far in the lead?
 

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I would say the throat hit is pretty close. The 84mm is pretty powerful for such a small cig. It surprises me everytime I use it. I think the 84mm gets hotter so it probably makes a slightly stronger throat hit if I had to give it to one of them. I will say the m40x seems much better built and seems like it will take more abuse over time. I have been vaping for over a month now with both of them and the atomizers are still going strong. I clean them weekly with lemon juice or sparking water. I am hesitant to try anything stronger. Cleans our the build-up and removes lingering flavors.
I am looking to get Joye510 as soon as Wayne gets them or I might order one from David Yang as he also carries a Long Totem compatible just like the Vapor King that is an awesome price. All the cartomizers he carries are green at the moment but he promises that will change shortly. If you want a real cigarette replacement you cant go wrong with the 84mm.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Wayne is the best by the way!!
Awesome service!!
 
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