Massachusetts banned e-cigs entirely... smh

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Mowgli

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That's where I am. Everyone has gone full loony around us.

@Mowgli can come on up as he's been known to do. Fairly certain that he and I are both stocked.
I just ordered yet another liter of Chemnovatic from Nicotine River just to see if it would work.
I got the e-mail confirmation that it worked but we'll see.

I don't need the nic but when they outlaw vapes only outlaws will have vapes.
Does this $60-slimmer wallet make my .... look outlaw?

We'll see if UPS gets tackled by the gestapo on my walkway in a few days.
 
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It would have been nice to give people time to patronize Massachusetts shops (locally and online) before shutting them down, maybe they would have enough money to offer severance to the employees and pay the rent up with hopes this will pass.

What a terrible thing for all these shop employees living paycheck to paycheck.
 

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It would have been nice to give people time to patronize Massachusetts shops (locally and online) before shutting them down, maybe they would have enough money to offer severance to the employees and pay the rent up with hopes this will pass.

What a terrible thing for all these shop employees living paycheck to paycheck.
 

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Several mentioned buying more ammo.
What will you do with that?
Can't vape it I am sure.
Because sweeping government overreach tends to only gain momentum, not diminish. 2A supporters aren't stupid. They see the recent vape panic and know it's an easy stepping stone toward even more similar types of government actions.

As a 2A supporter myself, it's easy to see the parallels in the government control playbook being enacted.
 

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    Because sweeping government overreach tends to only gain momentum, not diminish. 2A supporters aren't stupid. They see the recent vape panic and know it's an easy stepping stone toward even more similar types of government actions.

    As a 2A supporter myself, it's easy to see the parallels in the government control playbook being enacted.
    So you're saying vaping is like a test area. If they can get away with it we can expect more of the same. Hummmmmmmm.
     

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    History will show that we are right!

    However the bigger question is will all these Governors that are still alive when that happens be prosecuted for Murder? I wonder how long until we see the first lawsuit. These States are all losing money hand over fist because the MSA Agreements, again showing Money comes before other peoples lives.
     

    RedForeman

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    So you're saying vaping is like a test area. If they can get away with it we can expect more of the same. Hummmmmmmm.
    No. Really more of a case of uninterested people in the majority letting these things happen because they don't care. Until it happens to something they do care about, then it's too late.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

    Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
     

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    Yep. That's one reason why they're doing it as a "temporary emergency". They know darn well that this will kill off the dedicated vape shops, who would otherwise put up a heck of a fight against the normal regulatory or legislative process.

    The only thing I can't quite grok is: Why bother with this at all when the FDA is going to take care of business for them come next May?

    The politicians are so ignorant, they don't even realize vaping is already on the chopping block.
     
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    The politicians are so ignorant, they don't even realize vaping is already on the chopping block.
    I think they know it.

    They all want to be part of the big smoke-free future while we throw vaping under the bus and hand it all over to BT.
     

    AttyPops

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    Just saw BT is now at the head of Juul.


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    Of course. They own 35% of it too. And Juul's tune changed when acquired.

    Further, they have their own vapor products too. Along with Heat-not-burn. Smoke-free future.
     
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    Just saw BT is now at the head of Juul.


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    I may sound a little bit paranoid in this but I think this all centers around the master settlement. Get money based on how many packs of cigarettes are purchased in their state but they don't get any money other than just regular sales tax off the number of vaping supplies that are purchased. I think there is an element of wanting to appear to have done something however if it was really honestly about public health cigarettes would be included (not that I wish it was just that that's the way it would be). I'm not a conspiracy theorist usually but I do believe when you follow the money you usually lead to the real reasons behind things and Dash Vapes just put out a pretty accurate (in my opinion and it's only an opinion) portrayal of what's really going on. I'm also a bit suspicious of juul because they certainly have the money to fight all this and could probably successfully do so to some extent but instead they're just " huh yes of course that's what we'll do sure anything you say...regulate us right out of the market "because what they really want is more people to smoke again and that's going to be the conclusion at the end of all of this. I don't want to really sound like a tinfoil-hat person but I wouldn't be surprised to find out in 30 years that it was all by Design and that they couldn't have been happier to find out that teens were using juul and that people were getting sick off of Street dope basically because it gave them the momentum to be able to get rid of all of these options for legal Vape sale.. I sure hope I'm wrong and people are just misguided and misinformed but I don't really think so. I feel like a nutter even having said all that but it just makes sense to me while nothing else does
     
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    So what does this mean for all of us who DIY? Does this ban also include shipping nic, pg, vg and flavors into MA? Will online shops be prohibited from shipping any of these DIY supplies into MA?

    What about all the MMJ patients who vape their flower? This ban includes them also?

    I'm not in MA, but in NJ, and I fear NJ will be one of the next states to place temporary ban on vaping and vaping supplies. Time to STOCK UP!!!

    I can't help but feel Big Tobacco is forking over mega bucks in the background to get all these vaping bans in place, a dream come true for them. Just look to see who gains the most by putting these bans into place.
     

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    So what does this mean for all of us who DIY? Does this ban also include shipping nic, pg, vg and flavors into MA? Will online shops be prohibited from shipping any of these DIY supplies into MA?

    What about all the MMJ patients who vape their flower? This ban includes them also?

    I'm not in MA, but in NJ, and I fear NJ will be one of the next states to place temporary ban on vaping and vaping supplies. Time to STOCK UP!!!

    I can't help but feel Big Tobacco is forking over mega bucks in the background to get all these vaping bans in place, a dream come true for them. Just look to see who gains the most by putting these bans into place.
    No way this will pertain to PG and VG and flavors - and probably not nic, as I understand it. But all vape products (including MJ) are banned for 4 months.
     

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    I can't help but feel Big Tobacco is forking over mega bucks in the background to get all these vaping bans in place, a dream come true for them. Just look to see who gains the most by putting these bans into place.
    Who else is in a better cash flow position to weather the storm, then make a comeback with a new, fully approved and compliant product? Whatever that turns out to be.
     

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    A vape shop with few payables and enough money to pay the rent for 4 months can lay off employees, lock the door, and sit tight. The shop customers are online looking for out of state online retailers.
    Once they discover the joys of on-line shopping, do you think they'll be back to the B&Ms they previously used?

    If these customers are smart, they'll go on-line to shop for DIY supplies and stock up on nic base. 5/11/2020 is coming no matter what happens in any particular state.
     

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    Who else is in a better cash flow position to weather the storm, then make a comeback with a new, fully approved and compliant product? Whatever that turns out to be.
    They've already got that product and it's already from my understanding FDA approved it's called the iqos and their motto is heat not burn or something like that. It is a ridiculous product is basically called a heat stick but it's by all appearances a little tiny cigarette and you put it in a device that heats it and the flavor and smell that you get is the same as when you were smoking and you put a cigarette out halfway through smoking it and then re lit it.. something between hell's sulfur and burning tires. I don't believe it'll catch on even if they managed to ban and kill the black market and everything else regarding e-cigarettes. I would rather smoke tobacco I got from an ashtray rolled up in newspaper then I would that iqos thing
     

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    So you're saying vaping is like a test area. If they can get away with it we can expect more of the same. Hummmmmmmm.

    Maybe. But as they say, no reason to look for conspiracies when greed and stupidity can explain what's going on.
     
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