I want to thin my base as much as I can before adding flavor. What's max water I can reasonably add? Using 80/PG/20 base.
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Because I want to see if it wicks better and carrys my flavors better in the vivi, like all the $20/30ml super thin store bought juice I have does. JC is very thin and has perfect flavor in the vivi, my DIY is super muted--it simply can't all be in the flavor % if I'm up to 30+%
You have an 80% PG mix and want to thin it? (That's some mighty unusual equipment you have there!)
I've never thinned such a high PG ratio, but using Kurt's rule-of-thumb a mix of 80/20 PG/VG could stand up to 4.4% water.
I've never thinned such a high PG ratio, but using Kurt's rule-of-thumb a mix of 80/20 PG/VG could stand up to 4.4% water.
Speaking just for myself...
My DIY's turn out better if there is some amount of Water in them. And I don't have any Atty/Carto/CE2 that doesn't work better with a Thin e-Liquid verses a Thick e-Liquid.
As to the Exact amount for the OP? I dunno. Maybe 2~5%?
My DIY's turn out better if there is some amount of Water in them. And I don't have any Atty/Carto/CE2 that doesn't work better with a Thin e-Liquid verses a Thick e-Liquid.
As to the Exact amount for the OP? I dunno. Maybe 2~5%?
I've read (in Hoosier's blog) that too much flavor can simply over power things and what actually ends up happening is you taste the flavor LESS (very counter intuitive, I know, but...)
Well, Capella's strawberry and cream saved my next batch. The vivi works well for strong flavors--I'll probably give up the water idea and migrate to stronger flavors. I tired 5% but it didn't taste much different. Ty!
I try and make the same 'thickness' juice with various PG/VG ratios and percentages of flavor.
Another variable I've found is the amount of water that my VG has absorbed (it does that
).
Once you've found the 'just right' thickness, how can you get it when you change ingredients?
The Dr. Kavorky DIY thickness tester
10ml syringes with ink jet refill blunt 18 ga 4 inch needles (for laminar flow) and a stop watch.
My preferred thickness seems to be right at 90seconds/ml.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/rocketman_photos/DrK-DIY-Lab-Kit-3min.jpg
Another variable I've found is the amount of water that my VG has absorbed (it does that
).Once you've found the 'just right' thickness, how can you get it when you change ingredients?
The Dr. Kavorky DIY thickness tester
10ml syringes with ink jet refill blunt 18 ga 4 inch needles (for laminar flow) and a stop watch.
My preferred thickness seems to be right at 90seconds/ml.
http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/rocketman_photos/DrK-DIY-Lab-Kit-3min.jpg
rocketman, I like it!
hoosier the kurt trick I'm familiar with is pg + flavor + PGA + DW = ~22% total in an other wise VG mix
which are you referring to?
hoosier the kurt trick I'm familiar with is pg + flavor + PGA + DW = ~22% total in an other wise VG mix
which are you referring to?
Right but how did you get 4.4% water or an 80% pg mix?
Did I take you seriously while you were trolling again ?
Did I take you seriously while you were trolling again ?
Right but how did you get 4.4% water or an 80% pg mix?
Did I take you seriously while you were trolling again ?
20% of VG with 22% DW is 4.4% DW in total mix.
But you knew that, I'm sure....so I'm unsure why the question...
I do it a little differently (doesn't everyone )
My PG/VG ratios range from 50/50 to 30/70.
My favor is usually a pair of 5% flavors, maybe up to 12% total flavor.
The PG and Flavor don't require thinning, only the VG, so a percentage of the VG seems logical, not a % of the total.
The Dr.Kavorky seems to indicate DW of 6% to 8% of the VG gives about the same thickness as the commercial standard (DeKang PG juice) for the ratios I use.
With respect to the total volume, that's a different percentage of DW for 50/50 than 30/70.
Probably different than what everyone else uses, but at least I can check it and repeat it.
)My PG/VG ratios range from 50/50 to 30/70.
My favor is usually a pair of 5% flavors, maybe up to 12% total flavor.
The PG and Flavor don't require thinning, only the VG, so a percentage of the VG seems logical, not a % of the total.
The Dr.Kavorky seems to indicate DW of 6% to 8% of the VG gives about the same thickness as the commercial standard (DeKang PG juice
) for the ratios I use. With respect to the total volume, that's a different percentage of DW for 50/50 than 30/70.
Probably different than what everyone else uses, but at least I can check it and repeat it.
Sorry Hoosier I thought you were saying something quite different. This is what happens when you drip and drive kids!
Am I mistaken or did you say your flavor % was up to 30%+ ?
In my DIY mixes I use concentrate, but if I go 2% too much either way the flavor is either barely there (low end) or incredibly muted (high end).
Are you possibly using too much flavoring in your mixes? Could that be causing your muted tastes in the Vivi?
In my DIY mixes I use concentrate, but if I go 2% too much either way the flavor is either barely there (low end) or incredibly muted (high end).
Are you possibly using too much flavoring in your mixes? Could that be causing your muted tastes in the Vivi?
Ok, you got me here, barely there or muted would seem to me to be the same thing? I am having this issue as well, and I know it is in my mixing, premixed purchased juice works fine in any equipment I use. Thought perhaps the flavorings I was using weren't as intense as those suppliers are using. So of course upping the % of flavorings just made sense. Now you are telling me that might be my problem?
Barely there means I can still taste it, but it tastes like flavored water.
Muted is more like the flavor is so intense that you can't taste it at all. You can tell it's there, but you can't tell what flavor it is.
I hope that makes sense, sounds right in my head lol Just something to think about. It's happened to me a few times. I end up having to add more base to get the flavoring down to where I can taste it again. Seems counter intuitive but it may be what's going on.
Muted is more like the flavor is so intense that you can't taste it at all. You can tell it's there, but you can't tell what flavor it is.
I hope that makes sense, sounds right in my head lol
Just something to think about. It's happened to me a few times. I end up having to add more base to get the flavoring down to where I can taste it again. Seems counter intuitive but it may be what's going on.Yep, that could be it. It is a well documented weirdo event in mixing.
<See that "3" in blue type under my avatar...good...click it...then go to the Flavoring Levels blog.
This thing might be easier than you think!
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