Mech Mod Blows up in Teen's Face !

[jjhwk_]

This is why you shouldn't use any tool or electronic device without knowing a little bit a bout what you are doing.

Its not like you need a degree.

A few hours online would tell a vaper all they need to know about using a PV or mech safely.
That's how I learned as well as many other ECF members.
I can't excuse someone for acting stupid trying to look cool.

Yes I have also learnt how to safely use my vaping eqt. Through online searches and e cig forum. But with the wide array of safe, regulated mods on the market why not just buy one of them? Besides, if you have the know how to use a mech mod, rather than buying one why not build it yourself? This way they don't fall into the hands of idiots.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Yes I have also learnt how to safely use my vaping eqt. Through online searches and e cig forum. But with the wide array of safe, regulated mods on the market why not just buy one of them? Besides, if you have the know how to use a mech mod, rather than buying one why not build it yourself? This way they don't fall into the hands of idiots.

Why should I limit myself from a safe enjoyable experience because some people are lazy?
Why should anyone? Its not my responsibility to suffer or sacrifice for someone else's laziness.


I can and have made a mod, and owned a manufacturing business fo22 years.

I can't make one for $14 anywhere near as nice as a Chinese clone, so I'd rather buy one. Simple economics.

 

[KentA]

Yes ...with the wide array of safe, regulated mods on the market why not just buy one of them? Besides, if you have the know how to use a mech mod, rather than buying one why not build it yourself?....

Perhaps you should handle a fine, high end mech so that you understand what you're talking about.

 

[Racehorse]

TA few hours online would tell a vaper all they need to know about using a PV or mech safely.

So, in order to be a vaper, you need to go online?

Meanwhile, 4,000+ B&Ms are hawking them out the door.

Seems like a pretty poor business model if you are in a sector that is trying to GAIN respect and acceptance.

Aw well, it's been like this all along. In an industry that sAFTA predicted will be worth $20 billion in sales in next 9 years, it's the same ol' story. MOst in the industry don't want to pay for studies, (instead we have nothing to counter all the other studies being done that aren't kind to vaping) just like most in the industry didn't want to pay for ejuice testing......this is how it got to where it is today.
Just keep fighting the war with lip service, I guess?

Sigh. I expect more of the same, and thus, more bans.

 

[Bad Ninja]

So, in order to be a vaper, you need to go online?

Meanwhile, 4,000+ B&Ms are hawking them out the door.

Seems like a pretty poor business model if you are in a sector that is trying to GAIN respect and acceptance.

Aw well, it's been like this all along. In an industry that sAFTA predicted will be worth $20 billion in sales in next 9 years, it's the same ol' story. MOst in the industry don't want to pay for studies, (instead we have nothing to counter all the other studies being done that aren't kind to vaping) just like most in the industry didn't want to pay for ejuice testing......this is how it got to where it is today.
Just keep fighting the war with lip service, I guess?

Sigh. I expect more of the same, and thus, more bans.

Not just online, taking a few minutes to educate yourself before sticking a 20a battery in your mouth to get a nicotine fix sounds pretty damned reasonable to me.

Let's get real.

Its more dangerous and complicated to pump gas in a car or cook a meal.

I will never make excuses for adults willingly making poor choices.

Being an adult means accepting responsibility for your actions no matter how stupid they are.

 

[DC2]

Not just online, taking a few minutes to educate yourself before sticking a 20a battery in your mouth to get a nicotine fix sounds pretty damned reasonable to me.

Danger from using batteries.
Danger from trying to prepare and cook a raw chicken.

Do you expect people to look up the dangers of preparing and cooking raw chicken?
A college student that never learned to cook but has a chicken in hand?

I guess that is the best analogy I can come up with.
I think it works to illustrate the point, but I know many who will disagree.

And now I remember why I keep wanting to disagree with you...
Even though I generally agree with you in concept...


You seem to feel... no you seem to insist...
That the dangers of batteries are common knowledge.

EDIT:
Actually, I hate my analogy.
Just about everybody old enough to cook knows about the dangers of raw chicken.
And even if they don't the cooking instructions may well include such information.
But the same can not be said for the dangers of batteries.

 

[VHRB2014]

Found this on FB today, I could`nt stop laughing.

 

[NOVA jon]

I don't think information in general is that difficult to obtain. IF and that's a big IF you are willing to look in the right places and ask questions of those that are more knowledgable in the matter. That being said, I will do my absolute best to get all my questions answered before I do anything I'm not sure about. Especially if there is a possibility to injure myself of those around me!

That's just me though!!........

 

[VHRB2014]

Danger from using batteries.
Danger from trying to prepare and cook a raw chicken.

Do you expect people to look up the dangers of preparing and cooking raw chicken?
A college student that never learned to cook but has a chicken in hand?

I guess that is the best analogy I can come up with.
I think it works to illustrate the point, but I know many who will disagree.

And now I remember why I keep wanting to disagree with you...
Even though I generally agree with you in concept...


You seem to feel... no you seem to insist...
That the dangers of batteries are common knowledge.

EDIT:
Actually, I hate my analogy.
Just about everybody old enough to cook knows about the dangers of raw chicken.
And even if they don't the cooking instructions may well include such information.
But the same can not be said for the dangers of batteries.

The biggest killer of teenage and young adults in this country for along time now has been automobiles. And yet there is no ban on auto`s, and no desire to raise the legal driving age, and in fact in some states its being lowered. AND, there are no "Noob" cars being produced without so much as a throttle limiter. And still some parents go out and buy their spoiled brats cars that are easily capable of 100MPH plus and tell themselves, not my kid.

This country has its collective head firmly planted in its anus.

 

[DC2]

That being said, I will do my absolute best to get all my questions answered before I do anything I'm not sure about.

The underlined part is exactly my problem with the entire argument though...
You have to know a danger exists to even think of being unsure about it...

Most of the population does not know that such a danger exists.
And yes, I'm sticking with "most" when I could have said "many" if I wanted to.

 

[NOVA jon]

The underlined part is exactly my problem with the entire argument though...
You have to know a danger exists to even think of being unsure about it...

Most of the population does not know that such a danger exists.
And yes, I'm sticking with "most" when I could have said "many" if I wanted to.

Sure, I totally get that. Maybe I just take things like this more seriously than "many" do!!

Maybe I was lucky in that the shop I first and most frequently visit has cautioned me about how I went along in my progression with devices. They encouraged me to ask questions and research things I have questions about.

 

[YoursTruli]

I don't think information in general is that difficult to obtain. IF and that's a big IF you are willing to look in the right places and ask questions of those that are more knowledgable in the matter. That being said, I will do my absolute best to get all my questions answered before I do anything I'm not sure about. Especially if there is a possibility to injure myself of those around me!

That's just me though!!........

The underlined part is exactly my problem with the entire argument though...
You have to know a danger exists to even think of being unsure about it...

Most of the population does not know that such a danger exists.
And yes, I'm sticking with "most" when I could have said "many" if I wanted to.

DC beat me to it, but, YES to me that is the one of the biggest issues. I don't believe most people are aware it could be dangerous or injure them. In this plug and play well regulated for safety world I don't believe it even occurs to most when they are handed a set up recommended by their local vape shop it has a real possibility of blowing their face off, or starting their house on fire, or bursting into flames in their pocket... just saying.

 

[DC2]

Actually, I hate my analogy.

I just realized the most obvious analogy is staring me in the face.

Cell phone batteries, laptop batteries, etcetera...

They can blow up, they can start fires, they can harm you badly.
And yet there is no common knowledge about that either.

So why not?
Why are we in the cross-hairs.

Well, that does bring us back to the fact that what we do is being targeted.
Yay us!!

 

[NOVA jon]

DC beat me to it, but, YES to me that is the one of the biggest issues. I don't believe most people are aware it could be dangerous or injure them. In this plug and play well regulated for safety world I don't believe it even occurs to most when they are handed a set up recommended by their local vape shop it has a real possibility of blowing their face off, or starting their house on fire, or bursting into flames in their pocket... just saying.

The first time I looked at something better than the pos cigalikes I was using, my wife's coworker that was already vaping told her to tell me to be careful, if you don't know what you're doing, depending on the device, you could go boom! That was enough to make sure I knew all I could before I went any further! At that point, I didn't have to look very far to find ecf and lurk before I jumped in with both feet.

I do think the info is there, might take a little more than a quick glance to get it though!

 

[YoursTruli]

I just realized the most obvious analogy is staring me in the face.

Cell phone batteries, laptop batteries, etcetera...

They can blow up, they can start fires, they can harm you badly.
And yet there is no common knowledge about that either.

So why not?
Why are we in the cross-hairs.

Well, that does bring us back to the fact that what we do is being targeted.
Yay us!!

I guess I don't find it all that unusual that new technology is in the cross hairs, so to speak, when something goes terribly wrong with it. Just look at hover boards, they are definitely in the OMG spotlight for much the same reason, but, exploding mods are causing much more personal injury to the user which I think makes it 1. more news dramatic worthy and 2. it was already a "controversial" device.
Honestly I NEVER thought I would see the day every 3rd commercial on TV being an ambulance chasing lawyer saying call us if your ecig explodes on you.....

 

[MyMagicMist]

I am glad some vape shop employees have the spine to say NO!

Now your question; i am sure some will either go to another vape shop or buying online.

However they will have to build or buy the coils somewhere.

What we neef is EDUCATION about battery safety!

Here are some great resources for educating oneself about battery & coil building,
mod using safety.

Battery Safety | E-Cigarette Forum

By @sonicbomb

18650 Battery Ratings -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With | E-Cigarette Forum

By @Mooch

Rechargeable Batteries

By @rolygate

Basic Coil Building And Safety For Beginners

By @Technonut

It behooves anyone thinking of using mechanical mods to spend well deserved time
reading these. Keep them linked some place handy, refer back to the if you come
on doubts. If you still have doubt after referring back, ask others on ECF or the other
darker side forum. We are happy to help if we can.

 

[crxess]

Most of the population does not know that such a danger exists.
And yes, I'm sticking with "most" when I could have said "many" if I wanted to.

IMO - Most of Society cannot PROPERLY Tie Shoe Laces.

ETA: Oh, oh....................That is another Danger.......loose Shoe Laces. To the wearer and any nearby potential impact victim.

 

[DC2]

The first time I looked at something better than the pos cigalikes I was using, my wife's coworker that was already vaping told her to tell me to be careful, if you don't know what you're doing, depending on the device, you could go boom! That was enough to make sure I knew all I could before I went any further!

Dude, you just made the entire point for me.
I'm not sure if you meant to or not but you did.
:shrug:

 

[NOVA jon]

"Frog protection......" I'm with you!

It's not common knowledge, I get it, at the same time, it doesn't take much effort to find what you're looking for is my point!

And, I probably got very lucky that I found a shop that takes battery safety serious!

 

[DC2]

"Frog protection......" I'm with you!

It's not common knowledge, I get it, at the same time, it doesn't take much effort to find what you're looking for is my point!

If my 27 year old niece was given a battery to carry for someone.
She would put it in her pocket.

Would she think about which pocket she put it in?
No.

Would she put it in the pocket with her keys?
I guess that's up to chance.

The pocket with change?
Again, up to chance.

But her father does work at Home Depot, so maybe she's got a fighting chance.