Member funded safety study (rats?)

[polsmoka]

I wonder how many people would be interested/willing to put together $ to fund a lab study on rats exposed to heavy PG and VG vapor continually administered over a period of time. Myself I would happily contribute $100. I have seen some study reports but nothing this specific.

Many questions including:

a) Legality/morality

b) Duration (I would say the duration would be the life of the rats = several years, but with information about study posted every few months?)

c) 50/50 VG/PG?

d) Include flavorings?

e) Details of study proposal


Thanks!

 

[player30]

Why subject the rats when we are the ones choosing this? Human studies.

 

[sean5340]

Why subject the rats when we are the ones choosing this? Human studies.

Because rats are vermin.

 

[polsmoka]

Ummm because how are you going to have a controlled study of humans? Do you know what a controlled study is?

 

[incantius]

Because rats are vermin.

some humans can be too lol

 

[alldayvape]

NVC is already conducting a study. Just fyi, a study with reliable results, performed right, and which is scientifically acceptable will cost around $100,000. Good Luck

 

[sanjosse]

polsmoka,

I found this [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol]wiki page[/URL] helpful concerning the study & safety of PG.

sanjosse

 

[polsmoka]

NVC is already conducting a study. Just fyi, a study with reliable results, performed right, and which is scientifically acceptable will cost around $100,000. Good Luck

Thanks who is NVC and do you have more info?

How do you know it would cost this much

SanJosse yes I have seen that. It is not really useful. Having some PG in shampoo one uses is NOT the same as vaping. FYI I have been vaping heavily for over a year now. I go through 30ml in 5 days

 

[DC2]

Thanks who is NVC and do you have more info?

It's called the IVAQS study...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/110033-support-ivaqs-research-study.html

And I actually already did contribute $100 towards that effort.

I'm not so sure I'm happy about that now though.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nvc/177329-ivaqs-project-briefing.html

 

[sanjosse]

polsmoka,

I was referring to this section especially; Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. You can also refer to this TIME magazine article; Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME

sanjosse

Thanks who is NVC and do you have more info?

How do you know it would cost this much

SanJosse yes I have seen that. It is not really useful. Having some PG in shampoo one uses is NOT the same as vaping. FYI I have been vaping heavily for over a year now. I go through 30ml in 5 days

 

[polsmoka]

It's called the IVAQS study...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/110033-support-ivaqs-research-study.html

And I actually already did contribute $100 towards that effort.

I'm not so sure I'm happy about that now though.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nvc/177329-ivaqs-project-briefing.html

At a quick glance it would appear to me that that study's aim is to see what vape circulates in indoor airspace and gets into peoples (who aren't necessarily vaping themselves lungs.)

What I and any one who vapes should be interested in knowing is if we can find any evidence of potential serious health problems from vaping. It is too "new" for us to tell at this juncture. Typically in animal/rat studies they bombard the subjects with way more test substance in a short period of time and the subject generally has a much shorter lifespan...

 

[DC2]

What I and any one who vapes should be interested in knowing is if we can find any evidence of potential serious health problems from vaping. It is too "new" for us to tell at this juncture. Typically in animal/rat studies they bombard the subjects with way more test substance in a short period of time and the subject generally has a much shorter lifespan...

Any study that wants to find out the potential effects of vaping needs to focus on flavorings.
It really is the only thing of any concern, as far as I can see.

So I would say 50/50 PG/VG might be a good idea.
But definitely have lots and lots of rats each using a different flavor.

 

[hairball]

Because rats are vermin.

I have 4 rats as pets. How about we use you instead?

 

[banjo]

I have 4 rats as pets. How about we use you instead?

 

[sean5340]

I have 4 rats as pets. How about we use you instead?

Willard, is that you?

 

[mylose64]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/video/science/rat.mov

 

[mylose64]

Willard, is that you?

I had 4 rats too! they are the most intelligent and playful animals I've ever owned! I feel bad for lab rats, but science needs a subject and rats are abundant.

That's life I suppose...