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[fiddler]

Janty stick - finally here!

First impression was - it's small!

Inserted the battery, no problem.

Inserted the supplied atomizer. The fit was a bit stiff, but no problem until I tried to screw it in. Inserting a cart didn't help, as it just turned in the tube. Turning the atomizer without a cart required something to grip it with, at least a wad of toweling, better with padded gas pliers.

I finally got it in so that contact was made. The battery had some charge, but I connected to USB. I used one of my own carts, loaded with a favorite flavor. New atty, as usual, needed some break in, not much vapor at first. The taste was horrible! Much worse than the usual factory juice taste. This was like that RY stuff ("riskee" or whatever), sickly sweet and heavy. I kept at it but it just got worse. I didn't want to get sick so I took the miserable thing out.

Swapped to a newish but broken in atty, pliers again. NOW, clouds of delicious vapor from a three second draw after holding the switch for about 1/2 second. This is what I had been waiting for!

So yes, I'm satisfied. I just hope I don't have to change attys too often. I'll just have to let the atty dry over night by removing the cart and standing the whole unit up.

Next step - Prodigy!

 

[Kendra]

Did you make sure you got it all the way in?

I'd like to say yes, but I'm not 100% sure. I THINK I did. I even tried it again and the same thing-- I did turned it until it wouldn't turn, and it had already kind of snapped in.

It really doesn't matter, I guess, because this one works fine and I have a ton of these 112s. At least the stick works and works really well. I'm using it now and love it.

 

[Elendil]

I have now been using the Janty Stick for 7 days. As promised I am updating my early review and adding a comparison to the 510. My original comments are in italics and the follow up comments are in standard bold font.

Size & Appearance- I was surprised by the size of the Stick once I saw it in person. It is smaller than I was expecting, even after seeing a number of video reviews and pictures. This is not a negative, and in fact the size is perfect for fitting in the palm of my hand. The Stick is very lightweight and I do have a concern about what would happen if it was dropped on a hard surface from more than a very short distance. Let's hope I never find out. I actually have dropped it twice on a hardwood floor with no damage. That being said, I am happy with the fit and finish. There have been some comments made about an indentation in the body of the stick as well as the LED being visible when you look through the atomizer opening. There are no such issues with my stick. I am very pleased with the fit and finish and it seems well put together with all joints and seams fitting flush and tight. I would like to apologize for the criticism I leveled at the reviewers. If their units were the same as mine, I would not have found any defects to point out either. No changes with this portion of the review except to say that my stick looks as shiny and new as it did the day I got it.

Atomizer fit- I am in possession of 3 different 801 atomizers for this unit. The KBC that was shipped with the Stick, 5 BE112's, and 2 from the guys at MVS. I have tried all 8 atomizers and the all filt perfectly with no wiggle, or "cracking plastic" that have been alluded to by others. I find that if I turn the atomizer to the right while inserting it, the it slide smoothly into the unit with no problem at all. I am now in possession of 15 801 atomizers from the following suppliers: Myvaporstore, bestecig, ruyandirect, and Janty. I have inserted each and every one of the atomizers into the stick. While they were a snug fit, all that need be done is to turn the atomizer to the right while inserting. I do want to clarify that I can cause movement with the atomizer if I actually push to initiate the "wiggle". This is a result of the atomizer being wider at the base that the tip. The atomizer never moves on its own and remains steady no matter the position of the Stick itself. I have also not experienced any juice leakage thus far as has been reported by other users. I will again update this at the 30 day mark.

Performance- The Stick provides an amazingly light and easy draw. Initially I though I may be doing something wrong because the draw was so much lighter and easier than I have been accustomed to. That being said, the Stick produces and extraordinary amount of vapor. It far surpasses the DSE 901. While I have been accused of being a Screwdriver fanboy (and I guess I am) however, the vapor production of the stick surpasses even the SD with a freshly charged battery. As already discussed the manual Stick has an 11 second cutoff. At best I was able to draw for about 6-7 seconds and it provided a prodigious amount of vapor. The vapor also seems thick and heavy. More so than I have experienced with either the DSE 901 or the SD. On a few occasions when I did draw for the full 11 seconds the lung hit was stupendous and actually caused me to cough on several occasions. I experience the same draw and vapor with all 3 models of atomizer that I tried. After 7 days the draw continues to be light and easy with all 801 atomizers. I have used each suppliers atomizer with juice for a period of time. I find that vapor production after 1 week is every bit as prodigious as it was on day one. I am improving with the draw time and now routinely hit the cutoff. The throat hit is second to none with the 10-11 second draw. This applies to all flavors that I am using which consists primarily of RY4, butterscotch, caramel and Marboro. I am unable to comment on the "fruity" flavors (cherry, strawberry, and the like) since I do not care for those types of flavors.

I am primarily a dripper. The manual stick is a dripping machine. While I enjoy my SD, the biggest drawback when dripping was the small capacity of the 901 atomizer. If I put more than a drop or 2 on the atomizer it tends to flood easier and the liquid leaked out of the bottom of the atomizer and into the contact point where the atomizer screws to the battery. This necessitated that I unscrew the atomizer and clean the contact point on a regular basis. With the sealed chamber and larger atomizer capacity of the Stick this is not an issue. I have regularly been using 3-4 drops on the atomizer and get a very satisfying experience with all the benefits previously mentioned. I am able to take 6-8 long draws with 3-4 drops on the atomizer. While I will stick by my statement that dripping works well with the 801, I have discontinued dripping with the Janty Stick. The JS is my first 801 device and I am very surprised and pleased by the cart capacity. Also, the JS does a great job of utilizing the juice in the cart. While there is some juice left in that cart when refilling, I routinely add 8-10 drops to the cart when refilling. Cart utilization is much greater with the Stick versus any 901 device (including the SD) or any 510(more to come on that). With a full cart I can make 20-30 eight second draws on the Stick before needing to refill the cartridge. This eliminates the hassle of constantly adding drops directly to the atomizer. One area of concern continues to be the build up of some juice on the outside of the cart and it is visible when the cart is removed from the atomizer. I am unsure of the cause. It appears even when I was very careful to underfill the cart. While not a huge detraction from the experience,(just wipe off with a tissue) it is something to be aware of if you are considering the unit.

I vape primarily DIY 18-24mg juice with either butterscotch or caramel Lorann's. I did experience less flavor with the Stick than I was getting with the SD(901), especially in the butterscotch which I usually make stronger than the caramel. I will increase the flavor concentration to see it this improves the flavor sensation. The thrat hit is present in every draw and a lung hit easily achievable if you draw for a long enough time period. I increased my flavor concentration to 20% on my DIY butterscotch as well as the caramel. I am also using the RY4 and Marboro uncut at 24mg and I have to say I am tasting and enjoying the flavor across the board. I am not sure if there was a "break in" period for the new atomizers or just an adjustment period for my becoming used to the 801, but I can safely say that any concerns I have about loss of flavor are by the boards.

The button action it remarkably firm, while remaining easy to depress. The belt holder supplied with the unit is great with side pocket that will hold 2 additional batteries and attaches firmly to a belt. However, if you wish to carry the Stick in your pocket I would have no worry at all about the button being inadvertently depressed while in your pocket. I am unable to comment on the cart usage as I left the carts that were shipped with the unit in my office and won't get them back until Monday. I will complete an addendum later to give my impressions of the cart usage. As I primarily drip, this was not an immediate priority The button action remains firm. I primarily carry the Stick in the supplied belt holder which works well and has space for 2 additional batteries. I have not experienced any peeling of the sticker on the button as has been reported by other users. I will update this at the 30 day mark as well. As I indicated earlier in this update, dripping works well, but I do prefer the carts.

Batteries- While I am unsure of the charge level of the batteries when I received the unit, the first battery took 70 minutes to charge in the unit and the second took about 90 minutes. I was vaping with the stick the entire time the batteries were charging.

Once fully charged, I have been utilizing the Stick for about 6 hours without the USB cable and the battery feels just as strong as when fully charged. EDIT: I got a total of 6hours and 20 minutes from the battery before it went dead. I purchased 4 additional batteries as well as 2 chargers in addition to the 2 batteries that cam with the unit. For my use that is at least 4 batteries too many. In fact I have not run a battery all the way dead yet, unless it was one of the several time I have done so intentionally. I have purchased 2 USB extensions (for office and car) since the supplied USB is somewhat shorter than would be ideal. I also purchased a car to USB adapter fo ruse in my auto. The extensions and adapter work well and I have experienced no problems. here are the links for the items I have purchased:

Amazon.com: Cables To Go - 19003 - 1M USB A Male to A Female Extension Cable (White): Electronics

Amazon.com: Eforcity 2 Port USB In-Car DC Power Charger Adapter + 2Pk Cable: Electronics

I have intentionally run the battery dead on six occasions with my Stick. The longest battery life I experienced was 7 hours and 10 minutes and the shortest was 4 hours and 50 minutes, with the average being around 5 hours and 30 minutes. As a practical matter, I could probably live with only one battery since I work in an office and the USB is readily available. This may not be an option for all, but rest assured 3-4 batteries should be more than enough for even the heaviest user. Battery charge time take about 2 hours from dead to LED off in the stick, and about 90 minutes via 120v wall outlet.

Overall I see very little to complain about thus far. I want to experiment with the flavor strength of my DIY juice to see if I can get more taste from my juice, other than that I would have to say I am very please with the unit so far. It was worth the wait. Keep in mind I have had the Stick for a short time. As always there is an "excitement factor" with any new PV acquisition and any new unit is bound to perform pretty well. I would say the performance is better than the SD (vapor-both amount and density, Throat hit--more intense) at this point with the possible exception of being able to taste my flavors more with the SD. Long term performance will tell the story. The SD is a workhorse and has been a consistent performer everyday for a long period of time. Again, I will work on my flavors and report back. As I stated earlier, I purchased a 510 (2 manual batts) for my wife from Widows Bead Work - Home. I have used it for about 2 days to be able to compare with the stick as well have having my wife try the stick and getting her thoughts on it. The 510 produces a large amount of vapor for an "analog look alike" PV. Certainly way more than any 901 I have owned. It provides both reasonable taste and a fairly consistent throat hit. However, is does trail in both of these areas when compared to the Janty Stick. If you absolutely must have an analog looking device,(which my wife wants) the 510 would certainly get my recommendation,(as well as her's) but the Janty Stick is even a step beyond that. The largest discrepency between the two units is battery life. With heavy use, we were able to get 2-3 hours max from the 510 versus 5 hours plus with the Stick. With only a $30 price difference between the units, I would recommend the Janty stick by a fairly wide margin.

I will again update this at the 30day mark to give a more long term perspective.

 

[e-pipeman]

Thanks for the thorough update, Elendil.
I've had my stick for a couple of weeks now and all is well with it (touch wood!). Very consistent vapour production and super battery life. I can't fault it.
I look forward to your thirty day update.
On a personal note I'd like to add that imho your reviews are models of how effective text reviews can be.

 

[gjrhine]

I am wondering if a little silicone spray on the tube would help getting the attys in? Is it friction between the atty and the tube it slides into making it tight?

 

[dumwaldo]

Very nice follow up Elendil.

With regards to the 510, I think you are actually getting very good battery life for the 510. I rarely see a full 2 hours on a battery and I have both 510 batteries and Janty Dura-C batteries. The Dura-C batteries are even a touch longer than the 510 batteries and the Dura-C's do not have an LED but they still do not last more than 2 hours in my experience.

You should try the passthrough for the 510, I think it actually does deliver a performance boost from the regular batteries.

DW

 

[happily]

good review

got a 510 passthrough today and I agree with waldo on the performance boost

 

[franklyspeaking]

Great followup!! I agree with all of your points and have the same experience with the 510 batteries as DW and happily, I get about 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours out of the 510 batteries. Although we should note that there are about 4 or 5 different versions of the 510 manual batteries out there so I'd expect that the experiences with them would vary widely.

 

[Zaxx]

Thanks for taking the time to update.

I have to say, my experience with the JS and 510 mimic yours. I am really tiring of the battery issues with the cig looking PV's. If the JS continues to perform like it has so far, it'll be riding myself of the smaller PV's.

Thanks again Elendil.

 

[Kendra]

I am wondering if a little silicone spray on the tube would help getting the attys in? Is it friction between the atty and the tube it slides into making it tight?

Thanks for your help. You know, it is connected, because the light goes on when I inhale. . . so there must be some connection, yet it's not producing vapor. Really, this is okay. I have three KBs and I love the Janty atomizers on them. If the Janty Stick works this well with the less expensive BCE 112, I'll be a happy happy vaper. So, I'm completely satisfied.

Edited to add: oops! I just realized the light goes on when I press the button, so I have no idea if it's making a connection or not.

 

[drunkenmonk]

just tried tracking my package, they say its in North Carolina now. Its supposed to be coming to Washington State on the west coast, anybody think I'm gonna have a problem?
Texas to North Carolina to Washington state?!?!?

 

[Elendil]

Thanks for the thorough update, Elendil.
I've had my stick for a couple of weeks now and all is well with it (touch wood!). Very consistent vapour production and super battery life. I can't fault it.
I look forward to your thirty day update.
On a personal note I'd like to add that imho your reviews are models of how effective text reviews can be.

Very nice follow up Elendil.

With regards to the 510, I think you are actually getting very good battery life for the 510. I rarely see a full 2 hours on a battery and I have both 510 batteries and Janty Dura-C batteries. The Dura-C batteries are even a touch longer than the 510 batteries and the Dura-C's do not have an LED but they still do not last more than 2 hours in my experience.

You should try the passthrough for the 510, I think it actually does deliver a performance boost from the regular batteries.

DW

THanks for the kind words, both of you............

I wonder if the longer batt life with the 510 can be attributed to the "newness" of the batts. I will try to remember to include an update of the 510 batts on my 30 day review.

I agree with you DW on the pass thru, but my wife does not work near a computer, nor is she a "computer person" at home and she wouldn't like a Kensington strapped to her waist I did get her a PCC from Widows and that seems to be working out well.

Thanks again!

 

[fiddler]

If the Janty Stick works this well with the less expensive BCE 112, I'll be a happy happy vaper. So, I'm completely satisfied.

I'm using a BCE 112 in the stick too and its vaping very well. More vapor with a shorter drag than with a full conventional battery or conventional USB. I bought them at 5 of $30, about 1/3 the price of Janty's.

 

[DisMan]

Don't forget that the batteries for the stick are significantly cheaper than the 501.

I have to agree with your review so far. The vapor from the stick is lighter than the 501 though. So, I'm at a little stand still on which one I like best. If I cut my own juice, I can probably adjust, but I don't cut my own juice. However, it does feel like I get more nicotine from the Stick.....probably because I take bigger hits and it does produce more vapor than the Dura-C.

I'm at a toss-up...I like Dura-C's thicker vapor but I like the JS's ability to produce more vapor.

 

[Elendil]

Did you make sure you got it all the way in?

Them's fightin words if said at the wrong time or place..........

 

[gjrhine]

Yeah, I thought of that but then I thought, nah nobody's going to make anything of it...

 

[ramblingrose]

I love it. It's great. Only thing is this: I put in the Janty atomizer and it didn't work. At all. I mean, nothing-- I knew it was charged and SHOULD work, but didn't. I even tested the atomizer on my SD-- and that atomizer was fine. Then, I put in my BCE112 atomizer and it's working great. Right this second, I switched them again (Janty one works on SD). . . and nothing. . . no vapor on the Janty Stick. But, the BCE112 is producing lots of vapor and works great.

I think this is strange.

Just tried it again, it snaps in, screws on, nothing. I switch it, and it's in perfect working order, just not on the Stick.

Otherwise, I love it. Great product.

Kendra, that's exactly what happened to me the first time I put the Janty atty in. I took it out, muttered that the dang thing was DOA, and then put it right back in again. The only thing I did different was basically to pay attention the the feel of my new toy. Made sure to get it all the way in, and then turned it to tighten up the connection. It worked fine after that. You probably just don't have it in quite enough to connect.

 

[Gallardo]

Wow thanks for putting your time to give us a thorough review! I've just finally gotten my stick today so you can tell I'm extremely happy! Your review is excellent!

Here's custom sig made just for you for! Keep up the good work!

 

[Gallardo]

Here's a pic of my new stick =)

 

[jtwh20]

Great review - in fact I just ordered JS after reading this review
I was thinking of a 510, but the real swaying point was battery life
Thanks for a detailed review!!