You missed the point!
That's how you and I look at, but the FDA does not.
They will take any ~negative~ to their advantage.
And this is just an other dumb idea to fuel their reasons as to why the e-cg should be banned.
Think about it.
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You missed the point!
That's how you and I look at, but the FDA does not.
They will take any ~negative~ to their advantage.
And this is just an other dumb idea to fuel their reasons as to why the e-cg should be banned.
Think about it.
And having PV's out there that are the size of a small child, in shiny metal does NOT look like a crackpipe or in any other way send a wrong signal to people?
If we had to constantly invent stuff and keep the designs so they were child-repellant, then it would be a very boring world, seeing as we wouldnt be able to feed the inner child, of the adults. I dont know about yours; but mine loves to play - it loves colors, shapes, and creativity. And for some odd reason a steel tube doesnt fullfill that part of me.
But lets put this aside, shall we. I respect your opinion - but disagree.
There is just no need to get into that debate in this thread.
/Mik
You missed the point!
That's how you and I look at, but the FDA does not.
They will take any ~negative~ to their advantage.
And this is just an other dumb idea to fuel their reasons as to why the e-cg should be banned.
Think about it.
Good Call again. Have ANY manufacturers(in light of the recent heat being applied by the FDA), at the very least, started a line of communication with the FDA. Possibly informing them of future product marketing ideas, so that what happened initially/currently doesn't happen again. Possibly started to looking into actually getting some type of approval from the FDA. Any communication/dialogue at all? If products continue to be marketed in the US without concern for future regulation, there is going to be no future for the market.
Agreed about the creativity part, unfortunately, as Emberl brought up, the FDA cares little about creativity when it comes to their regulation of , what they consider, a drug delivery device. But agreed, this may not be the appropriate thread for this discussion. This will be my last post in this regard. I wish you luck in the future with any product your company decides to market. Hopefully, there will always be a market for both our sakes.
My opinion on the FDA is not something i want to .. post here. Lets just say i strongly disagree with almost everything they do at the moment. So i do understand your concern, but at the same time i believe that if this ONE product gets made, and this is say the tip on the scale that gets a ban in place: Then the true revolution starts.
I believe that if the FDA deems e-cigarettes legal, it will be the day that the revolution seriously begins. But i also believe that the day the FDA ban all e-cigarettes, completely, this is also the day the revolution seriously begins.
So either way, a solution will come.
I believe that if the FDA deems e-cigarettes legal, it will be the day that the revolution seriously begins. But i also believe that the day the FDA ban all e-cigarettes, completely, this is also the day the revolution seriously begins.
So either way, a solution will come.
Well I first have to back up a comment made earlier - Props to Janty for not just slamming the same stuff out there. They seem to be the only manufacturer willing to be creative and take risks. Also more props for letting us weigh in on it before it's finalized as a shipping product. I admire any manufacturer who's willing to take the time to listen ti thier customer base.
My .02 is that I'm not enamoured with the form factor. The triangular design seem very un pocket-friendly. I would probably be more inclined to want a single battery with higher mAh than take up the space for two (back to the form factor). The MP3 is inconsequential. It really won't add to the cost complexity that much but the suggestion about reducing the screen size to elimiante it is good. A non-MP3 version would be prudent. Love the idea of a batt meter though.
As many have seen me post lately, I'm really not on board with the 801 atty/cart system so for me, I'm glad to see the 510 system get used.
Mik - take a couple of R&D bucks and get that 510 adaptor for the JS fixed PLEASE!!!!!!
Anyway, glad Janty's out there pushing it whether they hit it with this product or not!
My .02 is that I'm not enamoured with the form factor. The triangular design seem very un pocket-friendly. I would probably be more inclined to want a single battery with higher mAh than take up the space for two (back to the form factor). The MP3 is inconsequential. It really won't add to the cost complexity that much but the suggestion about reducing the screen size to elimiante it is good. A non-MP3 version would be prudent. Love the idea of a batt meter though.
As many have seen me post lately, I'm really not on board with the 801 atty/cart system so for me, I'm glad to see the 510 system get used.
Mik - take a couple of R&D bucks and get that 510 adaptor for the JS fixed PLEASE!!!!!!
Anyway, glad Janty's out there pushing it whether they hit it with this product or not!
Oh. It's plastic?
I assumed it was aluminum, judging by the finish in the rendering.
I guess I shouldn't have.
I assumed it was aluminum, judging by the finish in the rendering.
I guess I shouldn't have.
And yet a round of stuff to be answered / commented!
The next big thing NEEDS to be a better juice delivery system or a better atomizer.
It depends on who you are. It would be nice to have those things, but its not necessarily the next thing anyone needs. I know people that just do fine with the current system.
Certainly , i do "fine" with the current system , but you have to admit it is flawed , using polyester batting to wick juice down to an atomizer coil is a bad setup from the begining , hence why so many people drip.
I also know of people who hate it. And while you might be right on the what the next BIG thing should - or rather could be, then we never said the Cameo would be that.
you never said the cameo would be anything , i had no expectations for it at all. But seeing "another novelty device" from Janty was a bit of a let down.
The Cameo is actually sporting stuff that people have asked for,
people really asked for USB storage? maybe i just don't get it.
and noone has done. Retractable atomizer, USB storage, dual inexpensive batteries, a nice design.
a "nice design" is subjective , i personally like the way my SD looks , i also like the way the Adaptever looks , other people don't that's fine , but to say it's never been done before is a little much.
dual inexpensive batteries has been done boss.
Its not for you in its current state, and i respect that - but that doesn't mean its not something other people might want.
Yeah i get it. people also bought the "slap chop" from the guy that sells the shamwow! Believe me , im not trying to sway people from buying it , but i hold Janty to a higher standard because Janty is one of the 'big name' PV suppliers, and as such should be pushing new ideas forward , not slapping Superfluous "features" on existing technology. ( i know there are probably other janty product being worked on that i don't know about this is only in reference to the Cameo.)
Yes we did
Cool
it might have 2 batteries in there , but you would NEED 2 batteries in there just to power the LCD screen
No.
Care to expand on that answer?
right... kind like my screwdriver
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Im glad you like your screwdriver. The "design" of it, is not for me. Again, personal choices, personal views. Thats the way it should be.
i could not agree with you more , and I'm not trying to be an ... and come down on Janty in any way , the thought of a PV with an MP3 player is pretty bush league to me.
i'm in red...
Thank you for your comments.
You have to keep in mind that the finished design so far is 4x4x8 - its not very big. By any standard - and due to the design it will feel smaller than that - so for a pocket this should be about the same as having your JS there.
And by any measure if it does get the mp3 player in it, then it will take up less space than a jantystick + your mp3 player
For the screen, again remember that the screen isnt that big - i tried to put the bottle in there for comparison, but it still doesnt give you an idea i think.. hmm..lets see.. the screen i think will be around 3cms wide, and 1.1 cm high. thats not that big really..
Oh and - we are fixing the dura adapter - and i believe the date being set for its "return" is end october. But that can change - in both directions ( lets hope earlier ).
I actually got one for testing, but it turned out to work great - doh.
So i guess its just some units that has the fault =/Lemme try to answer your questions here:
Certainly , i do "fine" with the current system , but you have to admit it is flawed , using polyester batting to wick juice down to an atomizer coil is a bad setup from the begining , hence why so many people drip.
Oh i dont think its perfect - i am a dripper myself, and have actually invented a filter that can NOT leak liquid to your mouth, but for use with dripping ONLY. We still have some testing to do on it, and maybe we will produce it. I would welcome it =) We also have some ideas in the making for a totally new way of using the carts - but again its way too early to say anything realistic about im afraid
you never said the cameo would be anything , i had no expectations for it at all. But seeing "another novelty device" from Janty was a bit of a let down.
I dont see us making any novelty devices before this? All our other devices has been addressing certain points; slim size, durability, portability etc?
people really asked for USB storage? maybe i just don't get it.
Alot of people, including myself have been wanting to be able to use the USB plug for storage as well as charging - seeing as this could be very handy. Again, no need to ever carry a USB key - and some of us shift tons of data everyday for one reason or the other. Or just being at a friends house, and be able to take home some .. stuff from him could be nice to do on an e-cig that already does have the USB plug
a "nice design" is subjective , i personally like the way my SD looks , i also like the way the Adaptever looks , other people don't that's fine , but to say it's never been done before is a little much.
True it is subjective. I dont think the SD is ugly - i just dont think its very nice to hmm... use anywhere but at home - in the dark. *cough* =) I like some of the lines of it, but the fact that the atomizer is being shown is a total put off for me. I never said that hasnt been done - i think you misunderstood me there =)
dual inexpensive batteries has been done boss.
Not this inexpensive
Yeah i get it. people also bought the "slap chop" from the guy that sells the shamwow! Believe me , im not trying to sway people from buying it , but i hold Janty to a higher standard because Janty is one of the 'big name' PV suppliers, and as such should be pushing new ideas forward , not slapping Superfluous "features" on existing technology. ( i know there are probably other janty product being worked on that i don't know about this is only in reference to the Cameo.)
I agree we do have something to live up to - and i do take my role very serious. Asides from my personal viewpoint on having an mp3 player in it, i still think its something we need to show you guys, as were doing now, and hear if theres enough reason to do it - but i dont necessarily agree that every product we put out there should have a new invention in it. I think there are two things that needs to be covered: one is innovation/new ideas - the other is design - having that PV you LOVE the look of, is more important than you just might think: it does replace the habit of having a cigaret in your hand, and in all likely hood it will be the item that other people quickly associate you with , seeing as you will be waving it infront of them for the next 6-12 months.
it might have 2 batteries in there , but you would NEED 2 batteries in there just to power the LCD screen
No.
Care to expand on that answer?
You dont need 2 batteries to power a screen thats 3cms wide, and 1.1 cms tall and in monochrome (if we go monochrome)
i could not agree with you more , and I'm not trying to be an ... and come down on Janty in any way , the thought of a PV with an MP3 player is pretty bush league to me.
Im not sure i understand the concept of something being "Bush League" sorry.. - other than you dislike it =) - and dont worry I dont think youre an ..., i respect your opinion
/Mik
Certainly , i do "fine" with the current system , but you have to admit it is flawed , using polyester batting to wick juice down to an atomizer coil is a bad setup from the begining , hence why so many people drip.
Oh i dont think its perfect - i am a dripper myself, and have actually invented a filter that can NOT leak liquid to your mouth, but for use with dripping ONLY. We still have some testing to do on it, and maybe we will produce it. I would welcome it =) We also have some ideas in the making for a totally new way of using the carts - but again its way too early to say anything realistic about im afraid
you never said the cameo would be anything , i had no expectations for it at all. But seeing "another novelty device" from Janty was a bit of a let down.
I dont see us making any novelty devices before this? All our other devices has been addressing certain points; slim size, durability, portability etc?
people really asked for USB storage? maybe i just don't get it.
Alot of people, including myself have been wanting to be able to use the USB plug for storage as well as charging - seeing as this could be very handy. Again, no need to ever carry a USB key - and some of us shift tons of data everyday for one reason or the other. Or just being at a friends house, and be able to take home some .. stuff from him could be nice to do on an e-cig that already does have the USB plug
a "nice design" is subjective , i personally like the way my SD looks , i also like the way the Adaptever looks , other people don't that's fine , but to say it's never been done before is a little much.
True it is subjective. I dont think the SD is ugly - i just dont think its very nice to hmm... use anywhere but at home - in the dark. *cough* =) I like some of the lines of it, but the fact that the atomizer is being shown is a total put off for me. I never said that hasnt been done - i think you misunderstood me there =)
dual inexpensive batteries has been done boss.
Not this inexpensive
Yeah i get it. people also bought the "slap chop" from the guy that sells the shamwow! Believe me , im not trying to sway people from buying it , but i hold Janty to a higher standard because Janty is one of the 'big name' PV suppliers, and as such should be pushing new ideas forward , not slapping Superfluous "features" on existing technology. ( i know there are probably other janty product being worked on that i don't know about this is only in reference to the Cameo.)
I agree we do have something to live up to - and i do take my role very serious. Asides from my personal viewpoint on having an mp3 player in it, i still think its something we need to show you guys, as were doing now, and hear if theres enough reason to do it - but i dont necessarily agree that every product we put out there should have a new invention in it. I think there are two things that needs to be covered: one is innovation/new ideas - the other is design - having that PV you LOVE the look of, is more important than you just might think: it does replace the habit of having a cigaret in your hand, and in all likely hood it will be the item that other people quickly associate you with , seeing as you will be waving it infront of them for the next 6-12 months.
it might have 2 batteries in there , but you would NEED 2 batteries in there just to power the LCD screen
No.
Care to expand on that answer?
You dont need 2 batteries to power a screen thats 3cms wide, and 1.1 cms tall and in monochrome (if we go monochrome)
i could not agree with you more , and I'm not trying to be an ... and come down on Janty in any way , the thought of a PV with an MP3 player is pretty bush league to me.
Im not sure i understand the concept of something being "Bush League" sorry.. - other than you dislike it =) - and dont worry I dont think youre an ..., i respect your opinion
/Mik
Oh. It's plastic?
I assumed it was aluminum, judging by the finish in the rendering.
I guess I shouldn't have.
And i assumed people wouldnt think it was aluminium. I guess i shouldnt have
hehebut yes, IPOD type plastic.
thanks Mik , you have answered my questions with a very calm demeanor , and taken all of my criticisms without resorting to name calling ha ha , so i thank you... the Janty Cameo is certainly not for me... Please let me know when Janty has something innovative up their sleeve.
Urban Dictionary: bush league
IMHO i think that an mp3 is unnecessary in a PV. The things a device like that could have been to make it real cool. the ability to change voltage without removing any batteries, or a liquid feeding system for the atty. I for one, will not be buying one. sorry.
Well, i will be unveiling something else we have been working on.. its not especially innovative but seeing as what you prefer, i think you will like this device.. maybe
(ITS A HAMMER! WE BOUGHT A HAMMER AND PUT BATTERIES IN IT.. okay .. bad joke.. but it made me laugh.. but then again, i laugh at most stuff..
And no, its not a hammer. Allthough hmm.. maybe i should.. *begins drawing* I don't see this being a 2" full color ipod screen, how long does a lcd watch last on one of those little round batteries? I hardly see this making much of a dent.
In all likelyhood the screen will be as basic as possible, - monochrome even. Its only there to support a function, not to enhance it.
Im personally looking forward to when Ludo has been to the factory on the 29th, then he will have a prototype in his hand and test it - and i dont know if all functions will be integrated by then or not - but .. exciting none the less
? sigh i was hoping this product would push vaping tech further into the future not packaging other items into it. I do have to admit i am now a fan of the cart on the 801 atty and will miss it when i pick this up .
puff counter = pretty good idea i always wondered how many licks it takes to get to an empty cart .
usb drive = i can vap and bring my import files (porn) with me a mild plus
mp3 player = WOO HOo really well thats ok you have the file space and buttons why not
dura atty = love the 510 , but im going to miss the long cart life of the 801
atty that doesn't stick out = moving parts = broken parts = less up time = more problems
i hate to admit it but i have no solutions to offer thus i must assume two thumbs up from me would be the review
puff counter = pretty good idea i always wondered how many licks it takes to get to an empty cart .
usb drive = i can vap and bring my import files (porn) with me a mild plus
mp3 player = WOO HOo really well thats ok you have the file space and buttons why not
dura atty = love the 510 , but im going to miss the long cart life of the 801
atty that doesn't stick out = moving parts = broken parts = less up time = more problems
i hate to admit it but i have no solutions to offer thus i must assume two thumbs up from me would be the review
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Way too many things to go wrong. I like the JS2 [when I'm not having problems with the sticky switch] and was looking forward to this being an evolution...not a revolution.
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