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I know that on this thread, a 5/64" coil is not a micro coil. However, that term is used frequently by many reviewers, vapers and ECF folk. What is the difference between a micro coil, a mini-coil and a nano coil, and why do different people have different definitions and different terms for the same thing in VapeLand?

Allow me as I actually first came in here with ignorant guns blazing on this very subject. I have since apologized and joined in on the crusade to correct misinformation...

First of all, after some thought, it makes sense. Compare a 1/16 coil to a 5/64 one. You tell me which one seems "micro". But the big thing is, a group of fantastic builders in this thread helped to give rise to the micro coil. There was a bunch of trial and error involved. These people deserve to have their work described correctly. A chart was even made with descriptions of what type of coil it is based on inner diameter.
 

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ETA: Above information supplied by Super-X
 
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Hard to beat the basic micro coils on a 5/64 drill bit with about 8 - 10 wraps of 28 gauge Kanthal. Should get a coil at 1.4 to 1.6. I love my cotton. Organic cotton wicking, painted on the side wall, assemble, fill, vape. I've tried a lot of different builds, but this basic one I can knock out in 5 minutes or less, and back to vaping my good juice.

I've used the said 28ga on a 15 or 16ga needle for good results. Once I found 30ga though that's been the favorite for me. It heats up so much faster. Right now I have a 30ga on a 15ga needle 9 wrap and I think it's like 1.6 ohms? It's great.

Thanks Bill and Woody! I'll give both a try.

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I know that on this thread, a 5/64" coil is not a micro coil. However, that term is used frequently by many reviewers, vapers and ECF folk. What is the difference between a micro coil, a mini-coil and a nano coil, and why do different people have different definitions and different terms for the same thing in VapeLand?

No offense Bill, just a little friendly ribbing.

But yeah, in the context of this thread we use the chart, for the simple fact that they do increase favor, vapor and TH.

It's all good tho, I knew what you meant :)
 

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ETA: Above information supplied by Super-X

I've been a lurker on this thread for months and most of what I've learned about coils and wicks came from here. My sincerest thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

However I believe the chart from Super-X has an error.
The decimal sizes for the outer diameter of luer-lok needles are not correct.
18 gauge tubing is .049 in.
17 gauge is .058 in.
16 gauge is .065 in.
14 gauge is .083 in.

This is from tubing gauge charts like this one and my own measuring of 16 and 14 gauge needles with a digital caliper.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Or am I missing something?
 
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Well isn't that just super freaking awesome cool! - Stole the idea for the screw & two nuts from another video on here to capture the wire when coiling vs. wrapping it around the loop (leaves a nice straight leg). Mounted it on a shelf above my workbench so the wire coil hangs down and I can apply as much or as little tension as desired. Don't like the coil? Just apply tension and uncoil and then recoil. This just doesn't get any easier. Thanks again Flavored for the idea, Super for the thread and Mac for the physics lesson and solid concept.

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I've been a lurker on this thread for months and most of what I've learned about coils and wicks came from here. My sincerest thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

However the chart from Super-X has an error.
The decimal sizes for the outer diameter of luer-lok needles are not correct.
18 gauge tubing is .049 in.
17 gauge is .058 in.
16 gauge is .065 in.
14 gauge is .083 in.

This is from tubing gauge charts like this one and my own measuring of 16 and 14 gauge needles with a digital caliper.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are prolly right. That's why we did away with that chart and now use this one :)
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And here's another :)
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My feeling is it doesn't really matter what they are called.
Just the concept of small diameter with touching coils is brilliant!
I have micro/mini coils and cotton wicks in all my devices and wouldn't use anything else.
It has upped my enjoyment of vaping immensely thanks to super-X-drifter and all others in this thread.
 

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Allow me as I actually first came in here with ignorant guns blazing on this very subject. I have since apologized and joined in on the crusade to correct misinformation...

First of all, after some thought, it makes sense. Compare a 1/16 coil to a 5/64 one. You tell me which one seems "micro". But the big thing is, a group of fantastic builders in this thread helped to give rise to the micro coil. There was a bunch of trial and error involved. These people deserve to have their work described correctly. A chart was even made with descriptions of what type of coil it is based on inner diameter.

Thank you for your response. I certainly don't have guns blazing, LOL. This thread is so long, I'm not sure I could ever read all of what has come before, and my question was sincere. I am new to the micro coil world, but I do know what I like, and like what I have read. I have no idea who to thank or recognize for this work, but I do appreciate it and am enjoying the results, that I do know about immensely. I also appreciate the charts that you and others have provided. I am not advanced in coil building like you guys are, and certainly don't feel comfortable adding anything to this thread, at this point. I do want to thank those that have helped add so much to my vaping experience. I don't know how I could ever return to the clearomizer or cartomizer world that I just spent a year on. Thank you again for all of your contributions, and good luck in perfecting the "perfect coil." I can't wait.
 
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On page one of this thread I was calling my mini coils micros. I used a larger bore because I wicked with German silica at the time. After realizing what I was making wasn't a true micro because of the diameter, I called them "almost micros" or "big-bore micros" until I decided mini coil would be a fitting and easy name.

That term does get used some, but I don't think it's caught on much outside ECF like Supe's term micro did. Instead, the big reviewers were calling any coil with touching wraps micros, even though they were much bigger than micros ever intended to be. What I don't understand is why people get upset when it's pointed out what they are calling micro is actually a mini or macro. None of the terms are derogatory, it's just categorizing by size.

Micro was named for a specific diameter range. Outside of that, it's just not a micro. If someone doesn't want to call their coils mini or macro that's fine, but outside of micro coil range isn't a micro coil, it's a coil.
 

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My feeling is it doesn't really matter what they are called.
Just the concept of small diameter with touching coils is brilliant!
I have micro/mini coils and cotton wicks in all my devices and wouldn't use anything else.
It has upped my enjoyment of vaping immensely thanks to super-X-drifter and all others in this thread.

THIS!

before i saw supe's micro coil posts, i was terrified of even trying of wrapping my own.
 

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On page one of this thread I was calling my mini coils micros. I used a larger bore because I wicked with German silica at the time. After realizing what I was making wasn't a true micro because of the diameter, I called them "almost micros" or "big-bore micros" until I decided mini coil would be a fitting and easy name.


That term does get used some, but I don't think it's caught on much outside ECF like Supe's term micro did. Instead, the big reviewers were calling any coil with touching wraps micros, even though they were much bigger than micros ever intended to be. What I don't understand is why people get upset when it's pointed out what they are calling micro is actually a mini or macro. None of the terms are derogatory, it's just categorizing by size.

Micro was named for a specific diameter range. Outside of that, it's just not a micro. If someone doesn't want to call their coils mini or macro that's fine, but outside of micro coil range isn't a micro coil, it's a coil.

The only time ever, you'll hear a guy say "mine is smaller"

Before micros, it was always "make sure none of your wraps touch!" Lol. Supe came along and said, nah, let them touch, let them ALL touch.

not enough like button for that ^
 

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I have built micros in every device I own. Newest addition to the collection. TGT clone, 28 gauge, 1/16" id, 1.3 ohms. Forgot how many wraps but I think it was 11. Made a "flavor wick" for it but decided to cut it up so the wick just double thick when it goes through the slots. I have really been loving it.

 

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Just want to thank everyone who came up with this idea.

I made my 2nd micro coil with organic cotton tonight in my "V6" RDA (from FT) and it's vaping extremely well. I can actually taste the juice for the first time, and it tastes great! (NET juice)

The best part is these are ridiculously easy to build.
 

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However I believe the chart from Super-X has an error.
The decimal sizes for the outer diameter of luer-lok needles are not correct......

I'll be jiggered, I hadn't noticed the size discrepancies. I just liked the format better (-:


You are prolly right. That's why we did away with that chart and now use....

Alrighty then, out with the old, in with the new it is.
 

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Hard to beat the basic micro coils on a 5/64 drill bit with about 8 - 10 wraps of 28 gauge Kanthal. Should get a coil at 1.4 to 1.6. I love my cotton. Organic cotton wicking, painted on the side wall, assemble, fill, vape. I've tried a lot of different builds, but this basic one I can knock out in 5 minutes or less, and back to vaping my good juice.

On page one of this thread I was calling my mini coils micros. I used a larger bore because I wicked with German silica at the time. After realizing what I was making wasn't a true micro because of the diameter, I called them "almost micros" or "big-bore micros" until I decided mini coil would be a fitting and easy name.

That term does get used some, but I don't think it's caught on much outside ECF like Supe's term micro did. Instead, the big reviewers were calling any coil with touching wraps micros, even though they were much bigger than micros ever intended to be. What I don't understand is why people get upset when it's pointed out what they are calling micro is actually a mini or macro. None of the terms are derogatory, it's just categorizing by size.

Micro was named for a specific diameter range.Outside of that, it's just not a micro. If someone doesn't want to call their coils mini or macro that's fine, but outside of micro coil range isn't a micro coil, it's a coil.

Jerms…your above statement is both TRUE and NOT TRUE. A problem.

And the folks still making videos with hand-over-hand winds calling them microcoils give me fits for baffling those trying to get things to work.

But it's not that to dismiss the use of the term for one size variant or another is derogatory, it's not accurate. Reviewers and many others have focused on the purpose — the function of the coil — rather than its size.

I think the term microcoil in and of itself is woefully inadequate to accurately describe what we're chasing. And marvelously confusing.

A micro coil by super_x's initial description encompasses both size AND function, characteristically the substantial change in electron flow, cool operation, symmetrical propagation of heat, etc. what I described on some threads as "The Effect". The very reason the configuration is beneficial and practical. So in our language should we dismiss the objective, function, for size? The term mini on the other hand as applied to contact coils, a more apt name generally, is also dismissive of function as mini can merely imply minituarized, a generic term which could include everything, including micros, in the range below 2mm.

Since the nomenclature is so ambiguous the consequences have been its inappropriate and incorrect use. Or perhaps more importantly deterred many from appreciating the value of the geometry and adopting it for their own use. So what we call it is far less important than the benefit we may cause others to enjoy by understanding it.

To me the phrase contact micro coil is distinguishing of both size and function. It stimulates the curiosity and begs the question...And, what is contact?

But we on this forum no matter how adamantly we may insist upon it will not exclusively control the etymology of this reference. The public will, in either a state of misunderstanding about it or clarity.

We may however be able to constructively influence the appreciation of what a microcoil actually is — by promoting a resolution of the the word's ambiguity and resulting conundrum among its users.

Good luck.

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What I don't understand is why people get upset when it's pointed out what they are calling micro is actually a mini or macro. None of the terms are derogatory, it's just categorizing by size.

Micro was named for a specific diameter range. Outside of that, it's just not a micro. If someone doesn't want to call their coils mini or macro that's fine, but outside of micro coil range isn't a micro coil, it's a coil.

To be honest, the only people I have noticed that get upset, are people who think and swear to the teeth that know more than you and think they are the best builder in the world.
I had the owner of a shop tell me how little cotton and how small my micro, was wrong. I told him to vape it and he refused. I was blown away. Like wow, open up your little mind a little bit and realize that maybe you are not gods gift to coil building and there is another realm that you are unaware of that will far surpass your mediocre build lol


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Did you ask him/her how many they had actually built?

Just sayin'.

:)

No I didn't, his negative attitude and the way he put me down turned me off from any more voice of reason conversation. I just said right on man, we all have our perfect vape and if that's what works for you that's cool but if you try it, you won't be disappointed.

Another example is mc vapes, that guy has videos and acts like he created building. There's a video that was posted a couple pages back and he's making a micro and he says something along the lines of "this micro coil is going to be 1/16th id. Now does it have to be 1/16 to be a micro? No it doesn't and I don't know where that myth came from because when micros first came about, it was just a coil of any diameter with touching wraps, soooo yeahhhhh whatever" in such a negative, offended way.
It annoys me to be honest.
Before I even stumbled across this thread I heard of micro coils, and wasn't quite sure what they were. I hadn't seen one. So I google searched it, and this thread was the first thing that came up. It's so simple to just take a second and do a tiny bit of research. I know I'm not the only one who googled terms and other vape related things in his learning phase. And even now, I have no problem asking, or searching for an answer that I don't know. But these people have a sense of entitlement l because they built a three wrap 28g around three strands of silica for some inexperienced vapor who loved it. They act like they created the wheel.
Get off of your pedestal and open your eyes lol.
Sorry about the rant boys... I've tossed a few back


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