Micro Coils to increase Vapor, flavor & TH

[Jerms]

To be honest, the only people I have noticed that get upset, are people who think and swear to the teeth that know more than you and think they are the best builder in the world.
I had the owner of a shop tell me how little cotton and how small my micro, was wrong. I told him to vape it and he refused. I was blown away. Like wow, open up your little mind a little bit and realize that maybe you are not gods gift to coil building and there is another realm that you are unaware of that will far surpass your mediocre build lol


"Aren't you tired of getting dirt dicked in your face" Nacho Libre

Lol. Yeah, getting upset isn't the most common reaction I've seen when it's pointed out someone calling a micro isn't really a micro, but when it happens I find it an odd reaction. Many will just ask why it isn't a micro, which is a valid question if they are not aware that diameter plays a roll. But some seem to truly get upset or act like that person is attacking them or ignorant. Even when it's calmly pointed out why it isn't a micro, they don't want to hear it.

I find it odd because like I said, there's nothing wrong with making a coil larger than a micro, larger coils have a place too, but there's no reason to keep misusing the term after knowing better. It's like some just really want their coils to be called micros no matter what. I picture a little kid kicking the dirt and muttering "is TO a micro".

 

[snow blind]

I'll never get it. I don't classify my coils. They all happen to be of lower gauges with the individual wraps touching and of resistances ranging from 0.5-1.8Ω. Diameter varies from 1-2.5mm. Some are "nano" some are "micro" or "normal"... some are horribly wrapped People get way too serious about this stuff. (Though they're usually the ones who treat vaping as a sport)

 

[MacTechVpr]

No I didn't, his negative attitude and the way he put me down turned me off from any more voice of reason conversation. I just said right on man, we all have our perfect vape and if that's what works for you that's cool but if you try it, you won't be disappointed.

Another example is mc vapes, that guy has videos and acts like he created building. There's a video that was posted a couple pages back and he's making a micro and he says something along the lines of "this micro coil is going to be 1/16th id. Now does it have to be 1/16 to be a micro? No it doesn't and I don't know where that myth came from because when micros first came about, it was just a coil of any diameter with touching wraps, soooo yeahhhhh whatever" in such a negative, offended way.
It annoys me to be honest.
Before I even stumbled across this thread I heard of micro coils, and wasn't quite sure what they were. I hadn't seen one. So I google searched it, and this thread was the first thing that came up. It's so simple to just take a second and do a tiny bit of research. I know I'm not the only one who googled terms and other vape related things in his learning phase. And even now, I have no problem asking, or searching for an answer that I don't know. But these people have a sense of entitlement l because they built a three wrap 28g around three strands of silica for some inexperienced vapor who loved it. They act like they created the wheel.
Get off of your pedestal and open your eyes lol.
Sorry about the rant boys... I've tossed a few back


"Aren't you tired of getting dirt dicked in your face" Nacho Libre

Lot said there, and the sad part of is I think I've run into most of 'em. Fortunately, I don't think most of us take ourselves quite that seriously. As the wise Solomon said, All is vanity. So I regret if anyone may feel I've come across that way. Me, I'm just an avatar. But passionate about this subject and people gettin' on. A zealot for this microcoil who-jiggy contacts bug zapper thingy…or whatever it is we get up callin' it! And tryin' real hard to get more of us using 'em.

What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.

Good luck.

 

[iz2sick]

But we on this forum no matter how adamantly we may insist upon it will not exclusively control the etymology of this reference. The public will, in either a state of misunderstanding about it, or clarity.

Case in point... "Steeping"

Though I am about to do a series of reviews on an upcoming juice line, Fadora vapor (intentionally misspelled for SEO purposes which is a smart move). They have a signature line that has dehydrated solids like a clove, ginger, cinnamon stick, etc. in the juice. Now that's steeping.

 

[Flavored]

Well isn't that just super freaking awesome cool! - Stole the idea for the screw & two nuts from another video on here to capture the wire when coiling vs. wrapping it around the loop (leaves a nice straight leg). Mounted it on a shelf above my workbench so the wire coil hangs down and I can apply as much or as little tension as desired. Don't like the coil? Just apply tension and uncoil and then recoil. This just doesn't get any easier. Thanks again Flavored for the idea, Super for the thread and Mac for the physics lesson and solid concept.

{forehead slap} the bolt/2 nuts thing from the other jig, why didn't I think of that. Good tip.

I also bent the loop back a tad so it is a 90 deg, reduces the lost wraps when starting.

Neat, isn't it?

 

[super_X_drifter]

{forehead slap} the bolt/2 nuts thing from the other jig, why didn't I think of that. Good tip.

I also bent the loop back a tad so it is a 90 deg, reduces the lost wraps when starting.

Neat, isn't it?

Yes. It. Is. Mine should be here any day. I may also perform the mods you did - they look like great upgrades.

 

[iz2sick]

Off Topic: Supes... I just realized... Your Sammy avatar is holding a REO. My mind is blown now.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yes. It. Is. Mine should be here any day. I may also perform the mods you did - they look like great upgrades.

Anchoring any jig absolutely maximizes the potential tension you can apply. Gravity multiplies the downward pressure how he has it installed. However, sup you nailed it in the last leg of your vid using the spool across or at the spool edge to wind. I'd venture you can get below the theoretical spec for the wire with either but they'd be close. BTW I haven't seen an advantage to flattening the wire but I'd speculate the more the wire wants to be a coil the more it will survive the pressures of vaporization long term.

I'm still looking at the Puck and DZJ. But I love to feel the tension I'm layin on'. I've gotten to know the pressure that sticks. And you know it after a few as I'm sure you found.

Good luck.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Off Topic: Supes... I just realized... Your Sammy avatar is holding a REO. My mind is blown now.

See the knuckle tats too?

 

[super_X_drifter]

Anchoring any jig absolutely maximizes the potential tension you can apply. Gravity multiplies the downward pressure how he has it installed. However, sup you nailed it in the last leg of your vid using the spool across or at the spool edge to wind. I'd venture you can get below the theoretical spec for the wire with either but they'd be close. BTW I haven't seen an advantage to flattening the wire but I'd speculate the more the wire wants to be a coil the more it will survive the pressures of vaporization long term.

I'm still looking at the Puck and DZJ. But I love to feel the tension I'm layin on'. I've gotten to know the pressure that sticks. And you know it after a few as I'm sure you found.

Good luck.

I'm picking up what you're droppin Mac

 

[MacTechVpr]

I'm picking up what you're droppin Mac

Go for it! I'm setting up some newb's this afternoon with some hand's on rebuildin'. Cyclin' out some of the test gear. So far, quite a few since I started. Tryin' to keep 'em from wettin' their pants for starters then kickin' 'em down the street to the local B&M. Finally more than onezy-twozy of those down here in S Fl. My gut may be dead wrong on this but it may become the new vapin' Cali down here before long.

Good luck.

 

[Flavored]

Anchoring any jig absolutely maximizes the potential tension you can apply. Gravity multiplies the downward pressure how he has it installed. However, sup you nailed it in the last leg of your vid using the spool across or at the spool edge to wind. I'd venture you can get below the theoretical spec for the wire with either but they'd be close. BTW I haven't seen an advantage to flattening the wire but I'd speculate the more the wire wants to be a coil the more it will survive the pressures of vaporization long term.

I'm still looking at the Puck and DZJ. But I love to feel the tension I'm layin on'. I've gotten to know the pressure that sticks. And you know it after a few as I'm sure you found.

Good luck.

You are spot on, it is the anchoring that makes that jig so user friendly. I tension down and can pull/hold the wire just about as hard as I want.

 

[super_X_drifter]

S FL? I was in western lake worth before moving up here almost 8 years ago. Between 1979 and 2006 I've lived from Tequesta to Jupiter to PBG to WPB, Deerfield and finally settled in lake worth.

What part are you in?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Howdy neighbor. On the beach, Hollywoood. Enjoying every minute time will let me.

(Then ya gotta make it down to S Fl Vapers sometime. Love to buy ya a cold one or a sampling of some of the finery at Maguire's as a thank you for your great thread. Why we even had a bagpipe band last go round! Sure you know Diane. We have some fine builders down this way. We'll keep Bruce company.)

 

[super_X_drifter]

Howdy neighbor. On the beach, Hollywoood. Enjoying every minute time will let me.

(Then ya gotta make it down to S Fl Vapers sometime. Love to buy ya a cold one or a sampling of some of the finery at Maguire's as a thank you for your great thread. Why we even had a bagpipe band last go round! Sure you know Diane. We have some fine builders down this way. We'll keep Bruce company.)

Yeah I'd really like to hook up except I'm living in NW Georgia now. There is no vape scene in my little one horse town

Y'all are knee deep in Canadiens right about now right?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yeah I'd really like to hook up except I'm living in NW Georgia now. There is no vape scene in my little one horse town

Y'all are knee deep in Canadiens right about now right?

Yep, but they're a fine crowd and we could use 'em all right about now. Just have to learn a little frenchie.

K, well offer still stands if you wander down this way sup.

 

[iz2sick]

See the knuckle tats too?

Now there's a singularity in my head and I'm currently getting spaghettified.

 

[LReyes66]

Can someone that knows the math guesstimate how many wraps it would take triple twisted 30 g on 1.6mm or 2.0 mm I'd for ohms between .5-.8?

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[CloudZ]

Can someone that knows the math guesstimate how many wraps it would take triple twisted 30 g on 1.6mm or 2.0 mm I'd for ohms between .5-.8?

I'd guess about 10 wraps at 1.6mm. For a single strand this is about 2.1 ohms, so divide by 3. Maybe start out with 7 or 8 wraps, check it, then add more if its too low.

 

[Harley0227]

Upon MacTechVpr's advice, Im gonna try to help a little here. I will attach a pic of the tool I made, and add that when I wind my coils, I follow the natural curve of the wire, as it physically seems to promote a better natural coil with less surface tension and resistance to unwind itself. I do torch my wire prior to winding. I stick one end in the hole I drilled in the tool, and i can use a 1/16 drill bit up to a 3/32 drill bit for my coils. For my 32 ga. wire, I use a 1/16 drill bit or a 3/64. For my 28 ga. wire, I use a 5/64 or a 3/32. This all depends on the coil resistance I want. Currently Im using a 32 ga, 3/64 coil size, 7 wraps, 3.1 ohm in my R91. Im pushing 4.8 volts, wicked with cotton, and so far no dry hits or burnt hits. Ive been vaping this all day with plumes of vapor and no harsh throat hit. This is my best setup so far. I will be glad to help any way I can.