Micro Coils to increase Vapor, flavor & TH

[SLIPPY_EEL]

where's the main man Sedge to..? .. i'm sure you'll be along soon!... I received the Rayon thismorning my friend.. thankyou so very much!!

first impression's are, it has a kind of silky feel to it when you rub it between your fingers on itself!... i'm glad a don't have to touch it much... I can't stand the feeling of silk, because my skin on my hands and feet is rough & seem to catch on it, snag on it hahaha I tell my mrs off for putting it on the bed or herself,.....anyway! ....

I put a piece in each coil which was the same size as the cotton I would use, thickness wise, but after installing it it looks like I have to little in there!... but as it was already in there I thought I would run with it...

I've got a tobacco that's a little complex, and unless you have the right setup you cant taste everything in the juice, I dripped some in, avoiding hitting the coil's with the juice as I wanted to see how fast it would run up the wick, but I think I missed the show, it must have just run straight up on the first drip, unsure!?

The flavour is top notch, I can taste everything in this juice, its much crisper for sure! even after dripping say 3drop's and taking a toot straight away, the juice is already sat waiting in the coil's. .. love it!

 

[sedge]

Eel. That is very good news. I'm glad it got there so quickly and I'm very happy you like it. Before you run out let me know. I'll send some more.

 

[MacTechVpr]

...The flavour is top notch, I can taste everything in this juice, its much crisper for sure! even after dripping say 3drop's and taking a toot straight away, the juice is already sat waiting in the coil's. .. love it!

Slip, I did see that it vacates fast. Crisply (as in airy) clean in spades but thin in taste to me. Ran it through a very productive 4-hole Nimbus/Origin at .75Ω running 32 t/p, usually a fairly productive and flavorful dense cool airy output. I thought perhaps due to the linear and loose fiber density that the wick was vaporizing ahead of flow. That is, drying out thinning flavor out of the vapor. Not so though. It's wicks pretty uniform and quite handily. So puzzling. I posted a summary of my remarks to brookj1986 who was generous enough to rush me a supply (thank you!) after three separate wick density tests from light to dense here…

Waking up with CelluCotton...

At some point a side-by-side in a pair of Raiju's and Protank's under some power on the ZNA will probably prove the rubber test for this promising wick star. But it'll have to pass that complex nuanced tobacco gauntlet to rate the 4-wick (good/better/best/exceptional) legend in my book.

For the moment KGD/Nextel shine.

Good luck all.

 

[Bimini Twist]

I like silk very much, but this stuff shivers me timbers when I handle it. But I really do like it in my coils. I've only used it in three atties so far and I'm going to convert all of them over. But wow, I had to ask the ladies at Sally's (they were all staring at me - I guess I don't look like a hairdresser) where the small box was and the smallest they had was 500 ft!

Also, I had to stop in Home Depot, Lowes, and Ace Hardware on the way home. I didn't need to buy anything, I just needed to feel normal again.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I like silk very much, but this stuff shivers me timbers when I handle it. But I really do like it in my coils. I've only used it in three atties so far and I'm going to convert all of them over. But wow, I had to ask the ladies at Sally's (they were all staring at me - I guess I don't look like a hairdresser) where the small box was and the smallest they had was 500 ft!

Also, I had to stop in Home Depot, Lowes, and Ace Hardware on the way home. I didn't need to buy anything, I just needed to feel normal again.

Yeppers, SBH has done a nice little three-day bounce of the bottom of the well.



Good luck.

 

[ethermion]

I like silk very much, but this stuff shivers me timbers when I handle it. But I really do like it in my coils. I've only used it in three atties so far and I'm going to convert all of them over. But wow, I had to ask the ladies at Sally's (they were all staring at me - I guess I don't look like a hairdresser) where the small box was and the smallest they had was 500 ft!

Also, I had to stop in Home Depot, Lowes, and Ace Hardware on the way home. I didn't need to buy anything, I just needed to feel normal again.

Indeed, a visit to Sally's can be unsettling. My store was about 10% human hair. I wondered if you slipped someone a 20, if you could get a scalp to go with it. A bit creepy. I washed my hands when I got home.


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[SLIPPY_EEL]

Eel. That is very good news. I'm glad it got there so quickly and I'm very happy you like it. Before you run out let me know. I'll send some more.

Thankyou!!!

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Slip, I did see that it vacates fast. Crisply (as in airy) clean in spades but thin in taste to me.

Yes its cleaner tasting then cotton, cotton has a background taste of.. well.. cotton! that you get used to, how much of that taste from the cotton actually mutes the juice might be the difference between the two.
I didn't get any background taste from the rayon, only a bass note that changed slightly as I chain vaped, but the slight change of taste might have been the tobh getting hot, I let it cool down and continued vaping the same juice in the well and it seems the same as before it got hot..

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yes its cleaner tasting then cotton, cotton has a background taste of.. well.. cotton! that you get used to, how much of that taste from the cotton actually mutes the juice might be the difference between the two.
I didn't get any background taste from the rayon, only a bass note that changed slightly as I chain vaped, but the slight change of taste might have been the tobh getting hot, I let it cool down and continued vaping the same juice in the well and it seems the same as before it got hot..

I can't cancel out the taste of cotton as most of us can with say silica. The flavor is there but psychologically never goes neutral for me. Ever-present and overpowering with some juice flavors. I wonder how much of that is in play for some folks with CC and what they're observing is that neutralization rather than wick performance. It's definitely not imposing but does have it's own distinctive flavor and most definitely vapor texture (airier). Good warning when drying out as suddenly that somewhat silica like flavor and texture are suddenly there…well before any real heat stress to the fabric.

Overall, the wick on first impression is a pretty capable vapor generator. As it broke in over two days it proved quite effective as people have noted. But it doesn't seem to be from capillary action. Nextel explodes with flow under power. CC appears to be more consistent and its surface tension (retention) seems to play an important part of its capability for juice delivery. One wouldn't think of silk as being a good wick but when you consider how densely it soaks, right. Ever get a silk shirt wet?

The fiber fibrillation is a characteristic of CC that needs to be considered as faves are sampled. Under magnification it looks like the fiber reaching out a hand and opening it's fingers, many of them. But this may actually make some flavor notes brilliant while perhaps limiting certain pigments that make other juices unique. So this might be a clue for the NET'ers. Some of us will like it, others will be puzzled by its output, as I was. Going to double flavor drops did nada with my fav. And this is what suggested pigment particulate retention in the fibers. Should have been impossible.

Must admit, the material is really intriguing. How best to capitalize on its attributes.

Good luck.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Ever get a silk shirt wet?

I was going to have have so much fun with altering your statement above... But i like you Mac. HAHAHA.




i did something a little differant lastnight, you know how you can open up cotton & rayon into an ultra thin waver, i stacked alternate layer's, two each, then i tidied up the edges by cutting it back into a square shape, then i cut a strip as i would before lightly rolling between two fingers & thumb.....
i dont remember the whole point to my madness but it wicked as fast, gave me a headsup when it was drying, but most of all, it seemed super super smooth, the sizzling the rayon does was gone & i couldnt pick up on any cotton taste.

if theres something ive missed with the rayon go easy on me, its only my second day on the job ...

 

[MasterofNone]

I can't cancel out the taste of cotton as most of us can with say silica. The flavor is there but psychologically never goes neutral for me. Ever-present and overpowering with some juice flavors. I wonder how much of that is in play for some folks with CC and what they're observing is that neutralization rather than wick performance. It's definitely not imposing but does have it's own distinctive flavor and most definitely vapor texture (airier). Good warning when drying out as suddenly that somewhat silica like flavor and texture are suddenly there…well before any real heat stress to the fabric.

Overall, the wick on first impression is a pretty capable vapor generator. As it broke in over two days it proved quite effective as people have noted. But it doesn't seem to be from capillary action. Nextel explodes with flow under power. CC appears to be more consistent and its surface tension (retention) seems to play an important part of its capability for juice delivery. One wouldn't think of silk as being a good wick but when you consider how densely it soaks, right. Ever get a silk shirt wet?

The fiber fibrillation is a characteristic of CC that needs to be considered as faves are sampled. Under magnification it looks like the fiber reaching out a hand and opening it's fingers, many of them. But this may actually make some flavor notes brilliant while perhaps limiting certain pigments that make other juices unique. So this might be a clue for the NET'ers. Some of us will like it, others will be puzzled by its output, as I was. Going to double flavor drops did nada with my fav. And this is what suggested pigment particulate retention in the fibers. Should have been impossible.

Must admit, the material is really intriguing. How best to capitalize on its attributes.

Good luck.

Just spitballing here Mac,but what about a rayon core for the 3 mm ready wick? All you'd need than I'd a short piece of ready wick under the coil and the rest can be rayon.... Kinda like the cotton/ mesh hybrids people have used on genesis atomizers


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[MacTechVpr]

I was going to have have so much fun with altering your statement above... But i like you Mac. HAHAHA.

Thanks, you didn't. I get kinda serious (ADD focused, lol) when I write, but I let my guard down. We'll y'all have at it I'm not the sensitive type. Too old to care, hahaha.

i did something a little differant lastnight, you know how you can open up cotton & rayon into an ultra thin waver, i stacked alternate layer's, two each, then i tidied up the edges by cutting it back into a square shape, then i cut a strip as i would before lightly rolling between two fingers & thumb.....
i dont remember the whole point to my madness but it wicked as fast, gave me a headsup when it was drying, but most of all, it seemed super super smooth, the sizzling the rayon does was gone & i couldnt pick up on any cotton taste.

if theres something ive missed with the rayon go easy on me, its only my second day on the job ...

Haven't done layers with it yet. I'll have to try, some with multiple wicks and bi-directional wicks like the Immo. That will be interesting with that wet shirt.

All I know is this stuff vacates faster than any other media I've encountered. You don't need much wick, as many have said. But better I think if you do. There's gotta be a way to get more consistent delivery out of this somehow.

I gather you didn't cross the alignment with your layers. You never know what could work at times. And sometimes the utterly contrarian (maybe) can yield interesting results if not some major dumb azz, like if you looked at some of my oversized gnarly 3mm+ multi wire tension rigs. Your symmetrically detailed braids look downright elegant by comparison. Don't worry I'll be knitting with this stuff before long trying to squeeze more power and flavor out of it.

Nah slip, I've kinda stuck to supe's suggestions so far, I think. Not trying to compress this stuff very much at all. Just tightly squeezing a very tiny narrow dense tip only so I can get it through the largest coil (an 18 turn parallel dual yesterday at a workshop) and just tryin' to pull the rest along lightly without pinching the overall dia too much and stretchin' it lightly rotating slightly into the wind. Nice thing there…the stuff does not easily strip away. And that's a major plus in getting it in a lot of different kinds of builds. If nothing else this stuff's the go-to material there. It's rugged. Where KGD and Nextel, the fit just needs to be right. And I''ve noted the repeating observation that you need twice the media with CC. We'll it's good it doesn't come apart when you do. I still like the vapor output far better with a little bit more density than supe suggests but what do these REO guys know anyway.



Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Just spitballing here Mac,but what about a rayon core for the 3 mm ready wick? All you'd need than I'd a short piece of ready wick under the coil and the rest can be rayon.... Kinda like the cotton/ mesh hybrids people have used on genesis atomizers

Interesting proposition. Déja vu or you're the 2nd person that's suggested it in the last few days. Not a bad idea in principle. But ever torch Nextel? Try touching it? It will obliterate cotton threading with 750deg+ coil temps. I would imagine lyocel too even if it's more scorch resistant. Oddly, I'd be more tempted to go high quality, high temp, silica and the material is more compatible I think chemically.

(I'd be concerned about drying out the Nextel, what happens then. Tank less of a concern.)

Good luck.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

you saying youre to old to care lol... thats exactly why i didnt exploit the situation, i'm getting to old to even bother trying lol (jk).

i could maybe try running the fibers alternate way's on multi layer's, i need to be half careful how much experimenting i do as poor old me hasnt got a box full to waste...... but i certainly dont see an issue with doing 50/50-rayon/cotton, i'll be doubling my stock

the method i use to roll cotton or rayon doesnt compress it really, if you put your thumb and next two fingers together you create a little triangle gap between the three, looks to be about 1/16 but you can adjust it, i cut my strip and roll with the cotton/rayon in that gap.

another thing i've noticed with the rayon, if you lightly tug the two ends apart on a length/strip, the rayon opens up or seems to get thicker.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Just spitballing here Mac,but what about a rayon core for the 3 mm ready wick? All you'd need than I'd a short piece of ready wick under the coil and the rest can be rayon.... Kinda like the cotton/ mesh hybrids people have used on genesis atomizers

Interesting proposition. Déja vu or you're the 2nd person that's suggested it in the last few days. Not a bad idea in principle. But ever torch Nextel? Try touching it? It will obliterate cotton threading with 750deg+ coil temps. I would imagine lyocel too even if it's more scorch resistant. Oddly, I'd be more tempted to go high quality, high temp, silica and the material is more compatible I think chemically.

(I'd be concerned about drying out the Nextel, what happens then. Tank less of a concern.)

Dangitall MoN you had to get me goin' this mornin'. Here take a lookC…

Wick's at least 5 months old. Been in at least 6 diff devices. This iteration's a month in. SteamMonkey CE RDA, that's the zMonkey brass (Z2) it's sitting' on. Build's a 26g 6 @ ~1Ω. Damn thing sparkles. Now I just dry pulse this tension wind till it glows micro. Have only had to do one minor adjustment/compression since I put it in 'cause I was silly enough to play with the screw a bit for batt rattle and pulled the top of the wind slightly. Normally, pulse—micro—rinse the thing under some moderately hot tap water, rinse some more under some cool friggie filtered to wash that off, pulse dry the thing after a few min's and away to the tree tops with this simian.

But now you have me intrigued about upping the volume on this fella…and there goes my carefree life.

Thanks.



Good luck.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

.3Ω
1/16
rayon
tobh
1/16 gap under coils

 

[f1vefour]

Rayon shrinks so much I'm surprised your not getting burnt hits with that build SLIPPY.

I started wicking light like your build but it just wasn't working for me, I ended up with about twice as much wick as your showing in the dry pic and it's heavenly.

0.5 ohm | 1.5mm | twisted 32g parallel

 

[Idaholandho]

Just spitballing here Mac,but what about a rayon core for the 3 mm ready wick? All you'd need than I'd a short piece of ready wick under the coil and the rest can be rayon.... Kinda like the cotton/ mesh hybrids people have used on genesis atomizers


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There has been cotton core ekowoolish(of some sort and name) available in the past. I never have used it but it was out there.

I also have a confession. I thought I would not revert back to my love affair with pure ekowool from the Mother Land but...
A couple week rest for my ol' faithful Kaydiddlyfuns after a endless run of cotton, I realized last night I was not getting the flavor I am used too with a specific juice, it was like I developed vapers tongue for the juice. Back to ekowool and BOOM instant flavor change and back to normal, a term I use loosely when describing me.
I am pleased with cotton in my other atomizers at this point, wondering if it is atomizer specific?

 

[Aal_]

Maybe it is your perception of the flavor. You think that the ekowool flavor is the right one but it's not. Just theorizing

 

[Idaholandho]

Maybe it is your perception of the flavor. You think that the ekowool flavor is the right one but it's not. Just theorizing

Could be Bro. I do enjoy the same flavor, even more so with cotton builds in the Chalice and Cyclone and others.
I do know that different atomizers with different builds, ohms, chamber size/shape, etc. do produce different different tastes and vapes but, I am just referring apple to apple builds with different wick mediums.