Micro Coils to increase Vapor, flavor & TH

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Bill I think the issue here is more about titanium better than kanthal for health and not about oxides.

We have 2 issues that have risen. First is that oxides are bad for you you should never vape on oxidized metals in general irrespective what it is. the guys here presented the Msds of both titanium and kanthal and yes it says it may cause problems as you have noted as well but oxide is oxide we don't know how much of it MAY cause problems and honestly unless we discover some kind of martian metal that doesn't oxidize, they are all the same for me. Oxidization is unavoidable IMHO in our application.

Now the second issue is that Titanium is better than kanthal in that it is biocompatible. I read ur post about implants and stuff, but now we are arguing about one specific thing, is Kanthal non heated or non broken down non oxidized, worse than titanium in the same condition for our application? is one more dangerous for us if it touched loquid than the other, and more importantly by how much? I would like your opinion on that. Thanks.

The instant you pulse your coil, metallic oxides are instantly formed on your coils. In VapeLand, we know this as the effect, when it occurs on a properly tensioned microcoil. These metallic oxide layers, three distinct and chemically different layers on kanthal, and eight on titanium, are what allows us to vape with a contact microcoil, without a hard short.

By the way, as a long term cancer researcher, for major institutions, these issues fall under my purview professionally. As I stressed before, there are known risks, but a lot more research needs to be done, and everyone needs to do this research for themselves, so they know what it is they are vaping. Compared to smoking, I'm perfectly ok with it. All of this, and my observations, Aal, have to do with health concerns, and one cannot compare our coils, without also comparing oxidized coils. Anyone that thinks one is fine, the other bad, is badly misinformed. We are vaping metallic oxides my friend, and a quick look at our coils under magnification will easily demonstrate this fact to anyone interested. As I mentioned, whether the heat is sufficient enough to cause certain chemical reactions is not the point, as nano-particles, and larger particles do exist on these coils. A wee bit of research will go a long way in this regard.

 

[MattyB1503]

I must admit my last post was poking a bit of fun at the situation. I think some interesting points were made on both sides but I am glad I did not get sucked into commenting; too much stonewalling for my taste.

I still believe that this (vaping) is a safer alternative to smoking, and still assert that non-smokers should probably opt not to vape. I think there has been a change in ideology in the last year or so where people want to have their cake and eat it too. There is no get out of jail free card folks. If you want to be 100% certain your ingesting zero carcinogens then you should prob not vape; but then again you should prob move to the deep woods or something with the doomsday preppers. What are you gonna worry about next cellphone radiation..

Sorry for the semi rant. I think to put things in perspective just over 2 years ago I was putting down a carton a week, so personally I am fine with the associated risks of vaping, oxides included.

 

[Idaholandho]

Great post! You must need sleep now .
I just remembered that I still have a boxed Gizmo unused...I really should try it out. Looking at SX and other users, it looks like cheating!

 

[Cucco]

I must admit my last post was poking a bit of fun at the situation. I think some interesting points were made on both sides but I am glad I did not get sucked into commenting; too much stonewalling for my taste.

I still believe that this (vaping) is a safer alternative to smoking, and still assert that non-smokers should probably opt not to vape. I think there has been a change in ideology in the last year or so where people want to have their cake and eat it too. There is no get out of jail free card folks. If you want to be 100% certain your ingesting zero carcinogens then you should prob not vape; but then again you should prob move to the deep woods or something with the doomsday preppers. What are you gonna worry about next cellphone radiation..

Sorry for the semi rant. I think to put things in perspective just over 2 years ago I was putting down a carton a week, so personally I am fine with the associated risks of vaping, oxides included.

Hi MattyB1503. Nice to run into you again!

Good rant! The improvement in my breathing, has made such a significant difference in my quality of life. And, I actually get 'good news' now, when I get my lung CT scans. Life is good! Happy vaping!

 

[Ryedan]

All of this, and my observations, Aal, have to do with health concerns, and one cannot compare our coils, without also comparing oxidized coils. Anyone that thinks one is fine, the other bad, is badly misinformed.

Bill, when I think of unoxidized coils in vaping, that means to me the coil has not ever been heated red hot. Is this correct? If not, please explain.

If this question still makes sense, are you saying that unoxidized coils may have a similar level of health risk as oxidized coils do?

Thank you.

 

[f1vefour]

Bill, when I think of unoxidized coils in vaping, that means to me the coil has not ever been heated red hot. Is this correct? If not, please explain.

If this question still makes sense, are you saying that unoxidized coils may have a similar level of health risk as oxidized coils do?

Thank you.

Correct.

I believe Bill was saying you can't compare Nichrome/Kanthal to Titanium unless doing so with both oxidized and unoxidized wire then comparing oxidations for harmful elements in all three types of wire.

Stating one is more toxic than the other without doing this is simply not factual.

 

[treehead]

No, I will take all the help I can get.. This is completely new to me! OK, So used less cotton as Russ mentioned, but don't wrap it around the front of the coil as that blocks the air correct? U said it's wide, I only have an MVP2 so can't go to low on ohms [will get a mech but only vaping for 1 month] do u have suggestions on what size drill bit & how many wraps w/ 28 kanthal as that's all I have right now. Anybody else have suggestions for mvp2 coils, I will love the help! Thanks for the picture advice too, mine is ghetto & yours is all big & clear lol. Ty again to all of ya. Great thread!!!!!

Yes , and no problem, glad to help! Yes you don't want anything between the air holes and your coils. Sometimes if your having dry hits, it's better to have the fluffiest, lightest cotton cloud under neath your coil, but if you can do without it, it'll allow air to flow under the coil and give your more vapor goodness .

My personal drill bit size is 1/16th", I like it because it makes vapor alot quicker than most bigger coils (which might help your mvp2 if your not happy with the vapor speed), and I personally get less dry hits (I'm not sure why, logic tells you a thicker wick would hold more juice and prevent dry hits, but maybe it's due to the thinner wick wicking faster, or maybe it's just the way I build!). However I see most people liking around 5/64th", that's a pretty good medium if you'd rather. (If your going to wrap a 1/16th", it's better to have the fluffy cotton cloud underneath like I mentioned earlier)

Your MVP2 can handle down to 1ohm (which is darn good lol, my first vv was a vamo, and that couldn't go that low), so I'd shoot for 1.1-1.3 to get the most out of it. If your going to build a 1/16th" (28gauge), your going to want 8 wraps (If your doing a 5/64th", your looking at 6 wraps). If you build one of these two, wick through their centers with a fairly thin wick (just enough to fill the inner coil up, when you tug it through, there should be a tiny amount of resistance, but you shouldn't have to really pull it through with any strength. Cut those tails just a hair outside the width of your drippers well, fluff the ends out, and tuck them in. It's a good idea to tuck a super fluffy (almost hollow) cloud under your coil too, it just helps prevent dry hits alot better.

But besides those two pieces of cotton, you really don't need any extra . The less you need, the better. Each coil should really only take up about 1/4th of the deck, maybe a little more. After all that, she's ready to go! If your looking to try out a cheap mechanical to get an idea of what you like, I'd recommend the HCigar clone of the Turtleship V2, that was my favorite 18650. The infinite king mod is also really amazing if you like the looks of that one better. I wouldn't recommend any of the FastTech's though to be honest, I haven't had one that didn't make me mad in some way lol.

 

[treehead]

I wanted to ask other micro-coil drippers, do you change your wick (I use cotton, but it doesn't really matter) every time you change flavor? I have been doing that lately and it sure makes the flavor more pure and I like that, but it's such a PITA.

Running dual micro coils (dragon style) wrapped 8 times around 1/32 paper clip at 0.27 Ohms in a Patriot RDA.

I'm re-wicking as we speak , I don't do it EVERY time I change flavors. I pretty much do it every day, but it's usually for an occasion, not always for switching flavors. Like right now, I just got a fresh bottle of my favorite juice (Cloud Science Alpha by Telios), so it deserves it's own fresh wick . Plus I was vaping Castle Long by 5 pawns just before, so that's quite a polluting strong flavor.

Usually when I change flavors, I just vape it until it's as dry as possible, without any dry-hitting of course. Then I nearly flood with the new flavor, and the old flavor dissapears after that one drip.

 

[treehead]

Hello all!! I was looking for an appropriate thread to share something I recently found and I thought this thread was appropriate since it relates to a micro coil. Hey! It actually is a micro coil, lol. Anyway, if you are like me and either don't have the time or have trouble with trying to get your coils wrapped at the ohm you want, I found some pre-made coils at MyVaporStore. I thought the price of $4.50 for 10 pre-made micro-coils with 24 gauge Kanthal at 0.5-0.8 ohms was an excellent price to save me from taking the time and/or frustration of doing it myself. I realize that there are many out there who enjoy doing the builds and I am not trying to take that away from those of you who fit that description. I am sharing this to hopefully help those who are similar to me and would rather buy something already built so all they have to do is put on and wick, or wick and put on whatever your preference. I haven't used them yet, I just got them today and will put a dual on my Origen v2, which I also got in the mail today. I will try and post back for those who are interested in knowing the results. (I attempted to attach a photo of the pre-built coils, hopefully it shows up)

I've seen a few people on eBay selling coils, sounds like a lucrative business . That's a job I need to get into lol, I love building coils, and am damm good at it too, hmmm.

 

[treehead]

hey Mr Treehead i take it the 26650 is the 50 amper battery?

what mod's are they you have, is one a chi you, have you see the 26650 chi You Megan?

Oh yeah definitely, I wouldn't be messing around with .1 without my Sony (which is apparently the last sony on earth lol, I went to buy 2 more to have a family of four, and sony's stopped making them :/ temporarily anyway). It's the se26650vt 50amp continuous, it's capable of 120 burst, but I don't need that much .

I have the Turtle Ship on the left, which has the best button ever! And the Mutant is the big guy, which is also really solid. However I have a copper 26650 4nine on the way I have high hopes for. All copper, a hybrid top cap, and a magnetic switch, should be quite the conductive monster! I have a copper 28.5mm Tobh just waiting for it at home, still sealed and everything, I'm going to let them patina together, or seal them with polyurethane, I'm not sure yet.

That Chi-you Megan is gorgeous! The only thing keeping it out of my mailbox is the $300 price tag .

 

[treehead]

@Xtreme101 and a few others.
First, Thank you Xtreme for the generous sample of Cellular Cotton/Rayon. As always you are very good to me and it is much appreciated. You have the true spirit of what this world needs more of .

Next @Rayon(lol), I owe you an apology. I did not give you a chance 2/3 weeks ago. And as usual, I kneejerked an opinion before giving you a true fair chance. For this, I am sorry.

Anyway, many of you know, I have issue with the name "rayon" and vaping it. Again, I thought "here we go another wick that may be potentially hazardous" and I am looking to move forward not backwards .

Well, to shorten this up, I can not get over the improved flavor I have in 4 Spheroids and 1 Heron so far. It is obvious the wicking has improved as well imo. I can tell you the transfer from the fluff medium to the Rayon is quicker and I am able to go longer on one fill as much of the liquid was still suspended in the fluff.
A couple in the past talked about the shrinkage of the medium and thank you. It is a characteristic I did not recognize prior and this may of been my answer to flavor initially.

I will rewick muh Chaliceseses this afternoon as this was my initial testing atty.

Anyway, Thanks for the thread Sup and the rest of you for the good and accurate posts....this includes you Mac, lol.

Right on man! I'll admit Rayon isn't perfect for EVERYTHING, but it undoubtedly has better flavor when built right. For me, as a guy who likes a light flavor, a tough wick (for super hot builds), and doesn't mind the initial aftertaste of clean cotton (I know weird, but it just tastes...natural.), it's not the absolute perfect wick.

However I still love it. I have some VG juices that I just crave more of the flavor with, and that's where it shines, it brings the sweet flavors straight to your tongue, and it wicks like it has a brain of it's own. I had one bad experience with it, where I was asked to give a demo of the cloud production by a vape shop buddy, and the wick must've been pretty dry already. Needless to say I took a good 6 second pull off a .1ohm coil, and got an unpleasant singed almost rubber taste, followed by a slight headache I'd never gotten with cotton.

Now cotton would've burnt in this situation as well lol, it was a terrible dry hit, no way around that. I just didn't like the headache afterward, that slightly turned me off (for super hot builds anyway). I usually vape at fairly low ohms, and Rayon is great for even cloud chasing, it's just more sensitive to dry hits, and that's why I'm sticking to cotton for alot of builds. (If anybody wants some free Cellu-cotton, I have 3lbs of the stuff , I still use it, but maybe 3 inches every week. I'm pretty sure I'm set for the next decade XD.)

 

[MattyB1503]

Oh yeah definitely, I wouldn't be messing around with .1 without my Sony (which is apparently the last sony on earth lol, I went to buy 2 more to have a family of four, and sony's stopped making them :/ temporarily anyway). It's the se26650vt 50amp continuous, it's capable of 120 burst, but I don't need that much .

Yes, a lot of modders are in kinda a pickle right now; after Mr. clone boy (Joe) acclaimed 14' to be the year or the 26650, then to have the Sony 50a supply dry up. In all fairness it's not right to blame him. Just wish Sony would flip the switch on production.

Some mods are still moving pretty well it seems.

I'm just glad I was able to grab 3 authentic Sony 26650's when I did. Hey Treehead, you notice a different kind of vape from the 26 50a? Well besides the kick in the pants, I get like a slower rolling vape if that makes any sense. Kinda like it takes the hit for you or uh make you take the drag??

 

[treehead]

Guys check this out. This wire might be a game changer.

Titanium wires and Titanium ready wires

Interested to know if anyone had any encounter with such a wire.

Thanks so much for sharing this aal! I'm REALLY liking the sound of the stuff, it may sound weird, but titanium is nearly my favorite metal! (I'm kind of a "hobbyist blacksmith" I guess you could say, I forge and shape often, and used to work with expert machinists.) It'd probably make for one of the safest coil metals, plus it's lower resistance! Meaning more surface area baby, and safe SA at that.

Do you know anything about where to buy? Or how much it might be?

 

[Cullin Kin]

I change wicks when I change flavors, but for me on the Reo and cyclone it's really fast, takes me less then 2 mins from start to finish. Then again I change wicks daily even if I don't change flavors as I vape enough in a day that it can start muting a bit and they get pretty dark. I use KGD and I've been recently testing some rayon a fellow vapor passed to me.

Okay cool, yeah I'm the same. At least every day. Thank you for the response! Glad there are others, purists. lol

Perfectly normal behavior brother. We're here for you and supporting you
Yep, always. I would venture to guess there are few here that don't.
The best answer to your dilemma is to start collecting more atomizers and putting them in rotation.
If I had too or even now replace juice flavors, I wash and rinse the atty, pull the wick, dryburn the coil or build new(unless it's a newer quad parallel triple dip burrito wrap and built with Mundy's unicorn mane wire coil) and replace wick.
I will not mix juice. I spend much money and repent none for the F juice snob I am .

Ha ha exactly! I just picked up another RDA so now I can rotate two flavors. Better than just one! I'm not sure I've heard of the quad parallel triple dip burrito wrapped and built with Mundy's unicorn mane wire coil lol, care to enlighten? Btdubs, thanks for the response and letting me know I'm not the only one!

 

[super_X_drifter]

My new RDA is almost here - what's it gonna be: a single or my first duals ?

Decisions, decisions

 

[oplholik]

I'm betting first duals.

 

[turbocad6]

you gotta do duals in the odin bro, only way to fly here the chamber is a bit large for a single and flavor will suffer with just a single, only way to see how well this atty shines is with duals

 

[player one]

My new RDA is almost here - what's it gonna be: a single or my first duals ?

Decisions, decisions

Go big or go home, go dual!

 

[Aal_]

My new RDA is almost here - what's it gonna be: a single or my first duals ?

Decisions, decisions

Stick to classic, single all the way

 

[hildicat]

you gotta do duals in the odin bro, only way to fly here the chamber is a bit large for a single and flavor will suffer with just a single, only way to see how well this atty shines is with duals

True, but can unflavored juice suffer from having less flavor?

Still, I say you gotta go duel and blow some monster unflavored clouds.