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Micro Coils to increase Vapor, flavor & TH
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Turbo, I just I need you to convince the Odin people to make that puppy in bottom feed mode and I'll order a couple up, I can solder, and build a mod but drilling straight without a press just doesn't happen for me.....
I call mine RTA's, for rebuildable tank atomizers, but that might be different that what you are referring to. If is different, then I say we adopt RNDABWTFPTWTBOBW. Kinda rolls off the tongue, right?You almost quoted a post from yesterday. Thank you for the thoughts. Looking to buy now based on another trusted user.
I am a Origen fan. First, Norbert is a fantastic guy who cares. I have the pleasure of talking with him on another forum and he serves the people like a champ. I love my Origen's.
RDA's have become the new fad for many. In fact, many new vapers have no idea what an RBA is lol. It was quite the opposite a year or two ago when mny had no idea what dripping was.
I find the RDA's of today very much close in nature to an RBA due to the large tanks. Maybe a new acronym is in order
RNDABWTFPTWTBOBW, Rebuildable Non Drip Built Atomizers With Tanks For People That Want The Best of Both Worlds
Turbo beat me to it about increasing the inner diameter and wicking. I know every person prefers a different type/style of vaping but I think my different styles of RDAs (or RNDABWTFPTWTBOBW) tend to cater to those different "vapes."
The Origen V2 gives me great warm flavorful vapor, my Quasar ramps up the vapor production while keeping most of the flavor the Origen has, my Tobh is purely a cloud pumper (I cant seem to get good flavor out of this RDA regardless of build/airholes.) I have an Odin in route and a custom RDA coming for those cloud competitions, I even ordered a second Origen so that I can enjoy the flavor it offers on another mod. I have wondered about the Origen genesis style RBA because that is where it all stemmed from and have seen some for sale.
Recently I started to do more centerpost builds which lead to me dropping to thicker gauges and in turn larger inner diameters to allow for wick to keep up with the heat. With the centerpost builds it is almost impossible (I think) to get the coils to not come out even. I have been very happy with 24awg 3/32" ID and anywhere from 6-10 wraps depending on device, surprisingly I havent seen an increase in e-liquid consumption...or maybe I dont need to vape as often now...hmmm gonna think about that one.
ADDIT: I am still behind the times using organic cotton from whole foods...barely made a dent in the bag so I need to get some Koh gen do the next time I hit up the mall
The Origen V2 gives me great warm flavorful vapor, my Quasar ramps up the vapor production while keeping most of the flavor the Origen has, my Tobh is purely a cloud pumper (I cant seem to get good flavor out of this RDA regardless of build/airholes.) I have an Odin in route and a custom RDA coming for those cloud competitions, I even ordered a second Origen so that I can enjoy the flavor it offers on another mod. I have wondered about the Origen genesis style RBA because that is where it all stemmed from and have seen some for sale.
Recently I started to do more centerpost builds which lead to me dropping to thicker gauges and in turn larger inner diameters to allow for wick to keep up with the heat. With the centerpost builds it is almost impossible (I think) to get the coils to not come out even. I have been very happy with 24awg 3/32" ID and anywhere from 6-10 wraps depending on device, surprisingly I havent seen an increase in e-liquid consumption...or maybe I dont need to vape as often now...hmmm gonna think about that one.
ADDIT: I am still behind the times using organic cotton from whole foods...barely made a dent in the bag so I need to get some Koh gen do the next time I hit up the mall
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Definitely, I hadn't asked anybody myself, I'm glad you confirmed that
. The sony vtc5's (and 4's, pretty much the same) I just came from definitely will kick into gear like a light bulb turning on, super quick. But yeah, I'm noticing the same thing, I've automatically started firing the mod a split second before as I bring it to my mouth so it's already going by the time I'm inhaling, but once that split second goes by, it's just like a vtc4 with that extra boost.I mean, I'm still only pulling for about a full second so it's not sluggish by any means, but yeah that initial start is a pretty lazy roll on! And if I'm hearing you right, you mean the coils kinda cool down slower right? I've somewhat noticed that, but I figured it's just because of the larger gplat coils I have, I can inhale after I let off the button for a sec and still get that vapor goodness for the cooldown, although it's not anywhere near enough to burn the cotton by far, just an extra "puff" left over.
The way I've been thinking of these batteries (the MNKE's are basically the same, but they are a little more tame, they last an hour longer, and don't have that extra punch, they still hit great, in fact they are just like the sony's when they settle down into the nominal voltage, but from the beginning and for longer), is comparing them to engines
(I'm an obsessive gear-head lol).The Sony VTC4/5's are like a v8 engine- They have great power, start up as instantly as you need them, and can handle quite alot of gas (amps).
The Sony SE26650 VT's are like a sporty v10 engine- Has almost overwhelming power once revved up, but has slightly more lag than the v8 because it has to get all those pistons moving, and can pump a silly amount of gas through it if you need it to (most amps, it can do 20 miles to the gallon easily (50amps), but if you push it, you can also get down to 5mpg (burst, which I don't use).
The MNKE's are like a turbo-charged V80- A pretty good medium between the two. It takes a second to spool up as well, but has nearly the amount of power the v10 does although pushed a little harder, and it's slightly better on gas than the Sony v10 (it lasts longer).
Silly analogy, but that just popped into my head the first day I vaped them, I didn't think about it as hard is it may appear lol. I'm somewhat debating using a little more than 50amps on the sony, because it's without a doubt capable of quite a bit more in bursts (at 60-70 amps, it'd be good for like a 15 second burst, which is 10x more time than I'll need at that power ), maybe then it will start up a little faster. Because come to think of it my vtc5's would start up fast because I was a little into the burst territory as well, or right at continuous.I'm glad you noticed that too
, I was starting to wonder if my batteries had been used before or something. I think Sony was pretty smart to stop production for a little while (as much as I hate it 
, at least I scrounged up a family of four which'll last me forever, worst comes to worst, these MNKE's do the job), since they were absolutely flying off the shelves when Sony stopped, that means when they are produced again, people will buying boxes to stock up next time lol, I bet they'll beat their first batch sales on the first night, especially since like you said, there's been alot more 26650 mods out. I honestly thought I wouldn't like them, but now I'm hooked, even hooked to 26650 RDA's, the setup I have now is basically my 22mm setup x1.5. I'm loving it. I'm glad these Sony's charge fast though, it seems like I get about double the vaping time compared to charging time. My MNKE's are like camels! They take half a day to charge, and last about as long, which sometimes is better.
WOW, that's 0.7 ohms?! I need some of this stuff, thanks for sharing this man, I bet it tastes clean. Titanium is one of the only metals with no allergies I believe, you can basically eat the stuff, and it's used in medical surgical parts for that reason, so I bet it's super clean in all aspects (as long as it's the right type of Ti.I don't care if it has manganese in it
. (btw anybody wondering about the manganese thing with gplat/hotwire (it's in kanthal as well), it's only an irritant when your actually allergic to it, just like a copper allergy can cause serious problems for that individual with an allergy. Plus I looked at the msds, and it's only possible to be released in a gaseous state at 3000F, which it six times the temp of any juicy coil, and about double what people even dry burn at (although I think it sounds like a good idea to go ahead and burn it off while dry burning personally, if it's even possible without a coil popping).
Definitely, I hadn't asked anybody myself, I'm glad you confirmed that
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...I'm glad you noticed that too
Wow that's pretty detailed but I'm pickin up what you're laying down.
I think when I'm saying 'slower rolling' it's like with the cap off my build goes crazy!; but the draw, I can feel the coils, and they'er building, and building, and building. It's not like the instant kick then slight roll-off of the vtc's.
"Makes you take the hit" is kinda like maybe my sub(ohm)conscious brain kicks in and is all "I better take the drag for this fool because if he stops I might not be able to handle this". LOL
Now I like sub builds but offset with a bit of extra wire mass so even with a shorty trip it's not too hot. Burning my mouth, etc. So the vape is on the cooler-ish side, there's just tons of it.
As for Sony being smart, umm the rumor I heard at least was the 26650's primary market was for flashlights (not imeo's worst nightmare, actual flashlights) and that cell size fell out of favor. Not sure if that's true but they seriously need to recognize the vaping market!
Congrats on the dual coil X!!
Good to see you got it done brotha.
Maybe a bit more tinkering to perfect but me thinks you're gonna dig it.
Good to see you got it done brotha.
Maybe a bit more tinkering to perfect but me thinks you're gonna dig it.
it is not too hard to drill through a center post by hand, I have a drill press and a mill and even a lathe yet sometimes I still just drill them by hand and I almost always cut the feed holes in the post with a dremel cut off wheel by hand. the threaded hole will guide you straight to drill through, the main things are to go low rpms and a fairly firm amount of pressure and def use a lube or oil of some sort and a good bit, drill a bit then let it cool a bit, evacuate chips often as you get deeper and ease up on the pressure when your about to break through, it's very doable by hand with a good 1/16" bit
you can also just cut a deep notch up one side of the post with a dremel cut off wheel if you really don't want to drill, I like one deep notch rather than 2 shallow notches on 2 sides of the post but there's always a way to convert to bf, I've even seen guys use really tiny bits and drill up the side of the insulator from the bottom as a worse case, personally I rather mod the post and leave the insulator intact
here's a post that I did on my quasar, another kickass atty, I love this thing too. I cut large holes right at and slightly below the deck height for full evacuation and no chance wick will block the flow in and out. also shows how I pressed the pin out in a small vice, you don't need more than basic tools to bf an atty
and here's the build in the quasar, comes in at .5 ohms, 26ga@1/16"id
here's my build on the odin, also 26g@1/16"id I guess it has an extra wrap or 2 each coil for this one at .6 ohm
dripping is ok I guess, most wind up having to drip these atties, but these atties are pretty sick on a whole other level with 6-9ml's of squonk fed juice just dangling from below and built right into the mod to feed them all day long
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(Jerms, I'm not directing any of this at you brother
. In fact not trying to prove anything to anybody, I've just been looking into it, and figured this was a great opportunity to share what I've learned!)
Registered nurse (& Biological Sciences Major) reporting in! I love these material safety hunts, I had fun with Rayon, and now Titanium wire.
The bottom line in my opinion: there's basically nothing to worry about. (As long as the wire is pure Titanium and/or mixed with something harmless)
***Here's a few of the sources I used to research the stuff, ScienceLab is great for their up-to-date MSDS's, and in color for once
. http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9925268
Poor lab mice experiment (this and one on guineau pigs (literally), are the only empirical studies on TiO2 inhalation, and is what the MSDS is partly based off of.
Inhalation Exposure Study of Titanium Dioxide Nanoparticles with a Primary Particle Size of 2 to 5 nm
Wikipedia (I know, not exactly scientific, but it's accurate 99.999% of the time
. I used it to find out how it's produced.)Titanium dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To start, Titanium is one of the toughest corrosion (rust) resistant metals on the planet, it's literally insoluble in water (will never rust underwater), and technically is impossible to rust under normal conditions. To actually get the Titanium to rust (to make Titanium Di-oxide, it's not oxide like most metals, it needs to be bonded with two oxygens, which is one of the reasons it's so corrosion resistant), it basically needs to be mixed with a VERY powerful acid, for example stuff they use to melt cement/metal with, or it can be mixed with a promotor as dust, and heated to 1500-2000 Kelvin! That's something vapers in 2050 can't even hope to achieve, because that means you have to dry burn your coil to 3,140 Farenheit (which is very close to it's melting point of 3,349 Farenheit, so if you dry burn it that hot, your more likely to have a white hot puddle of titanium, and a burnt insulator long before then.). So I'm not saying it's impossible to make titanium di-oxide with a vaping battery, because it fairly low resistance, BUT, I think you'd have to be pretty darn thick to dry burn it that hot lol. By then all of your juice would be atomized, and like I said, you atty would be very hot and most likely burning some delrin nearby. It'd be way unnecessary, and I think the person who burns it that hard pointlessly, has more to worry about in life other than dry burning his coils.
If you were aforementioned level of thick-headedness, below are the possible harmful effects of Titanium rust (TiO2, Titanium Di-Oxide).
In skin, eyes, and ingestion, there's virtually no harm whatsoever. It's basically a mild irritant if you were unlucky enough to be powdered in it, and you began to mechanically rub it against your skin (much like beach sand would, but a little finer/sharper). It's like a harmless abrasive, as long as you rinse it off without rubbing it into and smearing on your skin/eyes, you'll be perfectly fine. If you swallow it, no harmful affects other than an upset stomach, and gastro-intestinal discomfort (much like eating fine sand lol, I wouldn't know), it will not bio-absorb, or get in the bloodstream, it'll simply leave the hard way, which probably won't be fun. Nausea is likely, but only if your really exposed to the stuff, like intaking a really small handful in a day, which will never happen in vaping.
Now for what we want to know about inhalation, assuming it makes it's way out of your juice, or you happen to be inhaling over the dry-burn I guess.
No hazard is expected in normal industrial use. (THIS, is personally all I needed to know to feel safe about Titanium rust, because as vapers, we won't even come CLOSE to normal idustrial use. We'll be exposed to such minor amounts, if any whatsoever, it'll be negligible even compared to the non-dangerous effects of workers who use it everyday.) It's classified under "nuisance dust", which means may cause irritation when inhaled. In other words it may give you some asthma like effects temporarily, pulmonary obstruction until you cough it out eventually (you'll know if you inhale it, which is comforting to me.).
Possible chronic Health Effects caused by heavy occupational dust exposures may cause chronic rhinitis, chronic bronchitis, impaired pulmonary function, resemblance of silicosis without any fibrosis, functional change in trachea or bronchi, chronic pulmonary edema.
(Heavy exposure is something I almost left out because it does not, concern us vapers whatsoever. You'd literally have to take a few feet of the stuff, dry burn it into titanium dioxide powder, and inhale that daily. Which is unrealistic, more like impossible.)
So for absolute, basically impossible worst case scenario, it was cause lesions (in animals, no studies/evidence for humans) in the respiratory tract when inhaled constantly over a period of days. (Which again, no vaper that isn't trying to end their life will EVER be subjected to these amounts!)
So the experiment on the poor mousey's ended well anyway, basically they were exposed to a constant level of Titanium Di-oxide dust in the air for 3 weeks, maintained by aerosol, and they experienced "carcinogenic" effects, which doesn't always mean cancer mind you. They had higher numbers of alveolar macrophages, and lung lesions (which are technically tumors, but not the cancerous type), these tumors were completely healed 3 weeks post-experiment. So for 3 weeks the mice were bombarded with more titanium rust than any vaper will ever come close to inhaling, and the health affects they encountered were small growths basically caused by the lungs trying to combat the constant irritation the TiO2 caused, which later healed and disappeared after being removed from the dust.
So what I'm understanding is; as long as there aren't any hidden production substances, or other metals added to the (pure) Titanium wire, then there's basically zero chance of any life altering side effects, let alone any effects under vaping circumstances! I think it's looking fairly promising, granted the wire may not be 100% pure elemental Titanium, and that's what my research was based off of. But titanium is known as a "cleaner" metal, there aren't any allergies associated with it, it's used in surgical instruments & prosthetic body parts (screws and rods also, I have some in my tib/fib), and it's extremely hard to break down. Besides, Titanium Di-Oxide is a main ingredient in sun-screen for christ sakes! I'm sure it won't give us all lung cancer, because factory workers have been inhaling grams of the stuff at least for decades, and they haven't documented any evidence of anything drastic, even at ludicrous inhalation levels.
Believe me, I'm not trying to be on team Titanium (although that has a nice ring to it), but empirically it's looks very promising. And there's a voice in the back of my head telling me, "Holy crap, look how fast that coil heated up, I'll vape it and just watch my health as I go!"
I'm already looking for some myself, I bet it has a cleaner taste (then again I can't taste kanthal, nichrome, or Gplat, so we'll see I guess.), here's hoping it's in stock somewhere!
What do you guys think?
That's not entirely accurate treehead, there are many people who have shown to be allergic to titanium. Because titanium is an alloy it could potentially be one of the other alloyed metals causing the allergy so it's not categorically labeled a titanium allergy.
Since titanium is an alloy it is irrelevant if people are indeed allergic to titanium oxide or one of the other metals since these other metals are required to form the final alloy.
That said I would still use titanium wire.
Since titanium is an alloy it is irrelevant if people are indeed allergic to titanium oxide or one of the other metals since these other metals are required to form the final alloy.
That said I would still use titanium wire.
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I'm really liking this Odin. It is a very thick vapor producing atomizer. Loki Labs, the creator, confirmed on redit that there is a bottom fed version a few weeks out
I'm really liking this Odin. It is a very thick vapor producing atomizer. Loki Labs, the creator, confirmed on redit that there is a bottom fed version a few weeks out
It figures... You finally get one and mod it, and then they get with the program!!! I guess its better late than never...
I'm really liking this Odin. It is a very thick vapor producing atomizer. Loki Labs, the creator, confirmed on redit that there is a bottom fed version a few weeks out
Oh man! Thanks. I had someone post pics of the pin for me before arrival so I could alter it, now I wait........
OK, since I got with the program on the KFL/dna20 bandwagon I'm getting curious about this whole bottom-fed squonk-bottle idea.
Is there a thread or basic wrap up anyone knows of that's not in the REO price range?
Is there a thread or basic wrap up anyone knows of that's not in the REO price range?
Here's my Odin in action with the first dual coil setup I've made. I rewicked it this morning by threading the KGD from one coil to the other. It gets atleast 5 massive hits between squonks, prolly more bit I'm just used to squonking so I haven't pushed it.
http://youtu.be/UPlgd9uDr0A
http://youtu.be/UPlgd9uDr0A
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My first attempt at sub ohm with Alexander Mundy's Magic Twisted Ribbon. 4 wraps 1/16 ~ .55 ohms using Kanthal A Ribbon resistance heating wire 0.6mm X 0.07mm on VA Cyclone.
Xtreme101. Great job. I've had some of the recommended ribbon wire for about a month and haven't tried it yet but I'm now motivated again from seeing your build.
I had the ribbon wire now also little over a month and finally got off my .... and made it happen. First time I ever ventured ohm's this low and I like this vape
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