Missing the Urge and Pleasure or Something Else?

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Since I a former smoker found this blessing called vaping a little over a year ago I forgot how it feels to crave that smoke after an hour or 2 of not having one always followed by that very pleasing relaxing sensation when I finally got to have one. Oh those first few drags, aaahhh! Now I feel like something is missing.

I get to vape pretty much anywhere any time and realized I haven't experienced that very satisfying pleasing sensation in a long time because I never have to need or want anymore. Can anyone else relate? Do you miss it? Does vaping give you that same pleasure?

I have to be honest, it doesn't for me. It does however keep me off the smokes and that blessing is good enough for me but that being said, anyone feel something is missing? Is it because of the lack of needing or something else?

Something about vaping isn't curing my dependance for something in smokes besides nicotine.

Update to save you some reading: It seems the alkaloids found in tobacco play a big part in feeling like something is missing.
 
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I have read in a couple places that one puff on a cigarette is equal to around five puffs on an ecig, and that nicotine reaches your brain somewhat faster when smoking. That may be why those first drags on a cigarette bring such an immediate nicotine rush.

If you take a good long drag on a high mg liquid, you can get pretty close to the same feeling. I keep some high mg tobacco flavors around for just those moments when I want that sensation.
 

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Try doing without vape as long as you used to without a cigarette, and see if that gives you a renewal of the "oh yeah finally nicotine" you are looking for.

I have done that a few times and I swear something is still missing. I have tried the higher 24mg nic levels and that just makes me a bit woozy with minor hot flashes. Smokes would never do that. I swear there are other chemicals in smokes our bodies still crave. Maybe it's like 440BB said, the difference in absorbtion could play a big roll.
 

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IMHO, what you're describing sounds like an addictive craving for something bad, possibly one of those other thousand ingredients found in cigarettes.

Stick to vaping; that bad craving will go away in time....

That's what I'm thinking it has to be something other than the nicotine. Any guesses as to what it might be? It's been a year and a half now and I still feel the same way.
 

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I started with 12mg juices and kept having bad cravings. Since increasing it to 18mg, I have no desire at all to smoke anymore. Juices are way more tasty and satisfying to me personally. Now after only a couple of months I'm ok with 12mg more often than not, although I still have a lot of 18mg that is fine as long as I don't overdo it!
 

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I started with 12mg juices and kept having bad cravings. Since increasing it to 18mg, I have no desire at all to smoke anymore. Juices are way more tasty and satisfying to me personally. Now after only a couple of months I'm ok with 12mg more often than not, although I still have a lot of 18mg that is fine as long as I don't overdo it!

I started at 12, wasn't cutting it. Went to 24 and it was too much. I vape 18mg now and it's a perfect spot for me.

I feel as though my nicotine craving is taken care of which is what has kept me off smokes for sure but there is a craving for something else that is missing.

I was thinking maybe the thing missing is that pleasure which comes from the need which I don't have anymore or an addiction to a chemical or chemicals in smokes.
 

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I still get the urge, though I am only a couple weeks in without a cigarette. I vape until the urge passes and feel satisfied. I find that I now also get an urge for a particular flavor of juice. If it's not one I brought with me to work, I get home and chain vape the hell out of the juice I had been craving. But so far I at least don't crave the smokes like I used to. I have been tempted to grab one, but I much prefer the flavor of juices now and can get past it pretty easy.
 

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I know it sounds goofy, but when I was having the worst cig cravings, I would just light one and sit beside it vaping and smelling the smoke. It helped...wierd but it did.

This helped me while I was craving for something more. I sat outside daily next to people who were smoking. I recall it taking a couple of weeks for the smell to actually bother me and those feelings subsided.
 

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Could that feeling be caused by a lack of oxygen with real cigs compared to E-cigs? I always became dizzy with that first one in the morning and thought it was caused by decreasing oxygen levels.

That is an idea. I'm just so curious to know what it is but it is something. Vaping does just enough to do the job but there is that little something missing. Some sort of satisfaction.

I still get the urge, though I am only a couple weeks in without a cigarette. I vape until the urge passes and feel satisfied. I find that I now also get an urge for a particular flavor of juice. If it's not one I brought with me to work, I get home and chain vape the hell out of the juice I had been craving. But so far I at least don't crave the smokes like I used to. I have been tempted to grab one, but I much prefer the flavor of juices now and can get past it pretty easy.

I can get the urges to pass with vaping. I think that's the nicotine addiction part. Just being truthful with myself I feel something else is missing like an addiction to another part of smokes maybe another chemical besides nic.

I know it sounds goofy, but when I was having the worst cig cravings, I would just light one and sit beside it vaping and smelling the smoke. It helped...wierd but it did.

I can see that working, might give that a shot. Maybe it's purely phsycological but I swear it's a feeling of dependance for something missing almost like an addiction to something other than the nicotine from smokes. I call it a dependance because of the satisfaction that followed even with the first few drags of smokes that just isn't there with vaping no matter the nic level.
 

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As others have said, there is much more in cigarettes that can be addictive. MAOI's, ammonia (which increases nicotine absorption) and many complex chemicals. Nobody really knows what all is in there, and the tobacco companies don't have to say. Nicotine itself leaves your system pretty quickly (couple of weeks). Other compounds have much longer ramp-up and ramp-down times.

Cigarettes are a carefully engineered designer drug. They are designed to cause multiple waves of withdrawal symptoms when you quit. Just when you think you've got them beat, they come back at you with a new hook.

You're not imagining things.
 

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As others have said, there is much more in cigarettes that can be addictive. MAOI's, ammonia (which increases nicotine absorption) and many complex chemicals. Nobody really knows what all is in there, and the tobacco companies don't have to say. Nicotine itself leaves your system pretty quickly (couple of weeks). Other compounds have much longer ramp-up and ramp-down times.

Cigarettes are a carefully engineered designer drug. They are designed to cause multiple waves of withdrawal symptoms when you quit. Just when you think you've got them beat, they come back at you with a new hook.

You're not imagining things.

Yeah that is probably the problem. I think the next step is finding out what those chemicals are. It's pretty crazy after a year and a half of no smokes just vaping I still feel that missing void. I never heard of ammonia, going to look up MAOI's now though. Good info thanks.

Edit: Just found this.

Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction

An ASU professor is challenging widely held conceptions about smoking, including challenging the view that nicotine is addictive.

Peter Killeen, emeritus professor of psychology in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, presented his research findings for the National Institute on Drug Abuse on the Tempe campus Wednesday afternoon.

The talk was called “...... Madness: There ain’t no such Thing as Addiction to Nicotine.”

NIDA initially invited Killeen to look into ways to improve scientific research on drug abuse, specifically nicotine addiction.

“I came up with a shocking discovery,” Killeen said. “There’s no such thing as nicotine addiction.”

“It’s time to get our heads straight,” Killeen said. “What causes the tremendously addicting power of cigarettes is the drug cocktail of nicotine,” he said, not nicotine itself.

Before he got into his findings, Killeen said he wanted to make clear that tobacco kills.

“[Tobacco] is the number one preventable cause of death in developing nations,” he said. “Half of the people who are lifelong smokers will die of smoking-related illness.”

And yet, he said, the mass addiction to cigarettes and the public knowledge of tobacco’s deadliness creates a paradox.

There is something missing in the equation, Killeen said: A sufficient answer about what causes the powerful addiction.

For years, researchers have maintained that nicotine is the cause of tobacco addiction.

But Killeen said new evidence suggests otherwise.

“A large portion of the research on tobacco studies is done on nicotine. But the research has not been very reinforcing,” Killeen said. “Nicotine in itself is not very rewarding. You can go to any drugstore and buy a packet of Nicorette chewing gum.”

But people don’t overdose on Nicorette chewing gum, he said.

“Studies have shown that none of the nicotine replacement therapies — chewing gum, inhalers, patches — none of those are addictive,” he said. “Nicotine is not addictive. So what’s going on?”

The cause of addiction is the release of monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or MAOIs, along with nicotine, Killeen said.

While nicotine affects the release of dopamine, or the “reward hormone” that affects emotions and movement, MAOIs help regulate dopamine levels, Killeen said.

“When you put together something that directly releases dopamine and another thing that helps the brain clean up excess dopamine, you’ve got a one-two punch,” he said. “It is my hypothesis that it’s a combination of nicotine with some of these other chemicals that causes the powerful addiction.”

Killeen said publicizing his research is important in moving forward with the study.

“Not everybody knows that nicotine is not addictive,” he said. “This negatively affects both the research and public opinion.”

Many people are hesitant to accept the research’s implications, but Killeen said his hypothesis is hard to deny.

“I presented this position to 20 of the world’s experts,” he said. “And though some were shocked and insulted, no one could argue that my case was untrue.”

ASU Director of Campus Health Services Allan Markus said it would take a thorough clinical trial to further prove Killeen’s hypothesis.

“The overall scientific evidence from research, going back many, many years, proves that nicotine is addictive,” Markus said.

Anthropology sophomore Marisa Rios said the social aspect of smoking appeals to her.

“What makes me smoke is not the jonesing or need for a fix every 15 minutes,” she said. “What makes me smoke is stress or just wanting something to do.”

Killeen said even though the addiction to cigarettes is highly chemical, a large part of quitting comes from creating distance from these social smoking situations.

Of 100 smokers who decided to quit, only 10 are still abstinent after a year, meaning there is a 90 percent relapse rate, Killeen said.

“There’s no such thing as a cure, in the sense that there’s always a very small but real possibility of relapse [for successful quitters],” Killeen said. “You can’t ever let down your guard.”

Reach the reporter at jessica.testa@asu.edu.
 
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While nicotine affects the release of dopamine, or the “reward hormone” that affects emotions and movement, MAOIs help regulate dopamine levels, Killeen said.

This isn't the way I understood it.

MAO regulates dopamine levels, by "deactivating" dopamine.
MAOI's Inhibit MAO's, and therefore help keep dopamine levels higher.

From Wikipedia:
MAOIs act by inhibiting the activity of monoamine oxidase, thus preventing the breakdown of monoamine neurotransmitters and thereby increasing their availability.
 

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Very interesting info twg. It's pretty amazing that the Big T Co's get away with this. Now that vaping is taking on popularity and they are losing money I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the levels so vaping has less and less affectiveness toward quitting. I always felt there was something key missing...
 

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Very interesting info twg. It's pretty amazing that the Big T Co's get away with this. Now that vaping is taking on popularity and they are losing money I wouldn't be surprised if they increase the levels so vaping has less and less affectiveness toward quitting. I always felt there was something key missing...

One of the reasons they get away with it is that at least some of the MAOI's are found naturally in tobacco. However, the levels in cigarettes are different than the levels in natural tobacco. BT claims that this manipulation of ingredients is required in order to get a consistent product (so that every marlboro tastes like every other marlboro, has the same nic content, etc). This is a reasonable argument given that tobacco is very dependent on the soil conditions, water, curing process, etc. However, under that guise, they do a LOT of manipulation of the tobacco, and analysis of cig tobacco and smoke shows that it's a much different substance than what nature made.
 

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IMHO, what you're describing sounds like an addictive craving for something bad, possibly one of those other thousand ingredients found in cigarettes.

Stick to vaping; that bad craving will go away in time....

i think you're right. tobacco companies put in alot of ingredients that speed and intensify the delivery of nicotine to our system. so for those of us missing that extra kick we used to get the reason is most likely due to some of the many additives we're no longer getting through vaping.
 
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