Structural issues noted here ---> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/mn-vapers/399355-hello-fellow-mn-vapors.html#post9227769
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MN Vapers after Tri State Vapers...now that is just odd !
I have pointed this out...
I have pointed this out...
I appreciate that the one issue was fixed quickly, however am still interested in seeing resolution on the second issue I had outlined - the two dead Minnesota groups.
This situation is frustrating: We offer a COMMUNITY link on the ECF links bar. If a person uses it and chooses GROUPS, the page displayed immediately indicates these are State-oriented groups. Great! If the person then uses the SEARCH option and looks for MINNESOTA, they are directed to only the 2 dead groups. What is the purpose of this?
This situation is frustrating: We offer a COMMUNITY link on the ECF links bar. If a person uses it and chooses GROUPS, the page displayed immediately indicates these are State-oriented groups. Great! If the person then uses the SEARCH option and looks for MINNESOTA, they are directed to only the 2 dead groups. What is the purpose of this?
Take over and liven the groups it is up to you (the members) to do since they are your groups 
Of course we could just delete them completely. But that would mean the folks from MN would have to start over completely. I'd rather not take that route.
Of course we could just delete them completely. But that would mean the folks from MN would have to start over completely. I'd rather not take that route.
One or both of us is misunderstanding something. I'm sporadic so no surprise if it's me.Take over and liven the groups it is up to you (the members) to do since they are your groups
Of course we could just delete them completely. But that would mean the folks from MN would have to start over completely. I'd rather not take that route.
My vague recollection is that at some point an ECF forum/infrastructure change was made that somehow rendered MN Vapers the active, viable board and the other two boards not useful or viable.
Hence, as MN Vapers is useful and viable and is the active board for vapers from Minnesota who wish to associate with fellow residents, I am requesting that people not be misled and misdirected due to the placement/labeling/search positioning of the two dead boards over the active MN Vapers board.
I honestly don't understand what you mean by, "folks from MN would have to start over completely". Members are active in MN Vapers and don't need to take over what is already active. I have been pointing out how that effort is being hindered by the outlined issues and am trying to find solutions.
If you think you have to explain it to me like I'm a kindergartner, well, you may have to. I'm okay with that.
are those 2 boards completely dead? then maybe the easiest solution is for sarge to archive them ..........
The group titled "Minnesota Vapers" has 0 Discussions and 0 Messages.
The group titled, "Twin Cities/Minnesota Vapers" had 1 post in 2013 and 16 posts in 2012 (and others prior to 2012).
The active group is titled "MN Vapers" and in the absence of further explanation from a moderator, I'll guess the title is why it can't be found by persons looking for a Minnesota group.
Again in the absence of further explanation, it seems to me that the threads and posts from all the groups should be merged into one group titled "Minnesota Vapers," where this merged group "Minnesota Vapers" retains the position, structure, authorities, and permissions of the currently active "MN Vapers."
These Social Groups are there because someone wanted their own Social Group at one time or another, they may have even been Private at one point in time.
(a couple of years ago there was a hiccup that took away group privacy)
They are independent of each other.
Why not use the Sub Forum : MN Vapers that was created
Front page of Forum
Scroll down to Community
Click on Location Specific
Click on MN Vapers
(a couple of years ago there was a hiccup that took away group privacy)
They are independent of each other.
Why not use the Sub Forum : MN Vapers that was created
Front page of Forum
Scroll down to Community
Click on Location Specific
Click on MN Vapers
classy, i believe jamie's concern is that the one active mn group does not come up in a search. they had to use the state abbreviation because 'minnesota vapers' had been used already but that group has zero activity. is whoever started that group entitled to the name even though there are ''0 Discussions and 0 Messages.''
maybe the op who started that group is no longer active or could be asked to relinguish the name?
or could you change jamie's group name to 'minnesota ecf vapers'? that would make the group show up in a search
maybe the op who started that group is no longer active or could be asked to relinguish the name?
or could you change jamie's group name to 'minnesota ecf vapers'?
that would make the group show up in a search
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lol there is also Vapers of MN
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/vapers-mn.html
lol there is also Vapers of MN
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/groups/vapers-mn.html
I think it would help them if the "MN" was changed to "Minnesota" and the older ones either merged in or archived.
My 2 cents!
My 2 cents!
Oh for pete's sake. There is indeed. And Vapers of MN has 0 Discussions and 0 Messages.
To top it off, I just went in to Groups and searched on MN (rather than Minnesota) and the active MN Vapers STILL wasn't found - only the empty Vapers of MN.
Oh for pete's sake. There is indeed. And Vapers of MN has 0 Discussions and 0 Messages.
To top it off, I just went in to Groups and searched on MN (rather than Minnesota) and the active MN Vapers STILL wasn't found - only the empty Vapers of MN.
Jamie, that's because the MN Vapers that C-Dub linked is a Social Group Forum (a subforum), not a "Group" per se. There's Groups and there's Social Group forums, and I think there is some confusion on what is what.
I ran into some of this while setting up the HHV Subforum and Group. Both, the Group and Social Groups are exclusive to each other, one let's you control the security and who can join etc, while the other is more like a subforum found anywhere else on this forum.
lol...no, I linked another Group I found...above quote is how to find the Sub Forum- with a link to it - you get there scrolling down the front page...
Okay, think I'm following this so far. We obviously have a drawing board that needs to be revisited. The Minnesota groups issue is merely an instance of the broader problem.
We have a COMMUNITY dropdown on the Links Bar and that dropdown contains GROUPS, which contains 3 dead Minnesota groups that apparently "let you control the security and who can join." 99% of the people who look here will be convinced there are no active Minnesota groups.
We have a COMMUNITY section on the Front Page and that section contains SOCIAL GROUPS that are "not owned or moderated by ECF," and further in teeny tiny print are some additional links wherein one will eventually find the active Minnesota group.
From a user perspective we clearly have a distinction without a difference between COMMUNITY and COMMUNITY and GROUPS and SOCIAL GROUPS.
I understand people worked hard to grow and organize the board, probably multiple times. We can appreciate that and still acknowledge we've ended up in a ridiculous place here.
...............
My proposal still stands for moving all the other Minnesota Groups posts into MN Vapers, changing the name of the active group so it can be located, and deleting the 3 useless groups. Of course by doing this, the future interested person going in via the Links Bar will find there are no Minnesota groups at all and probably create one.
The broader problem really should be addressed. Is that discussion already taking place? If not, are there reasons it can't take place?
We have a COMMUNITY dropdown on the Links Bar and that dropdown contains GROUPS, which contains 3 dead Minnesota groups that apparently "let you control the security and who can join." 99% of the people who look here will be convinced there are no active Minnesota groups.
We have a COMMUNITY section on the Front Page and that section contains SOCIAL GROUPS that are "not owned or moderated by ECF," and further in teeny tiny print are some additional links wherein one will eventually find the active Minnesota group.
From a user perspective we clearly have a distinction without a difference between COMMUNITY and COMMUNITY and GROUPS and SOCIAL GROUPS.
I understand people worked hard to grow and organize the board, probably multiple times. We can appreciate that and still acknowledge we've ended up in a ridiculous place here.
...............
My proposal still stands for moving all the other Minnesota Groups posts into MN Vapers, changing the name of the active group so it can be located, and deleting the 3 useless groups. Of course by doing this, the future interested person going in via the Links Bar will find there are no Minnesota groups at all and probably create one.
The broader problem really should be addressed. Is that discussion already taking place? If not, are there reasons it can't take place?
this would be because the people that have attempted to start social groups either failed to maintain interest by the members or abandoned the groups. Running a social group takes a certain amount of dedication from both the owner and the members.
Groups are social groups. there are no other groups.
The ridiculous place as you call it is caused by a lack of cooperation and organization by the folks starting social groups combined with the lack of participation and followthrough.
Your proposal is denied because we cannot merge social groups. And since they are Member run entities merging them and giving control of a group to another group is just fundamentally wrong on many levels.
In my opinion the fix for this whole situation would be to delete all of the MN social groups (since there appears to be no activity ) and archive the subforum and let you guys start over from scratch.
This would be Valsacar's decision since he administers the social groups and has policies for dealing with abandoned groups or leadership changes. Changing names / merging groups is not an option.
With that I'll close this thread with the advice to contact Valsacar by PM and state your case so he can make a decision on how to proceed.
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