mooch on you tube question

[susieqz]

yeah, but that list is missing a catagory.
there should be one UP TO 30W.
mooch is a high power vaper n he forrgets that there are tons of people who prefer
low watt vaping..
everyone forgets us.

 

[mcduffy]

Some of us are lower than that. There could also be a 15 watt category.

 

[gsmit1]

yeah, but that list is missing a catagory.
there should be one UP TO 30W.
mooch is a high power vaper n he forrgets that there are tons of people who prefer
low watt vaping..
everyone forgets us.

Remember that time several months ago when in a very gentlemanly manner I told you you worry too much?

You're doing it right now

 

[gsmit1]

Some of us are lower than that. There could also be a 15 watt category.

The 15 watt category could be legitimately subsumed into the 30 watt category. I'm being serious.

 

[susieqz]

i have some set ups i run at 15 watts.
is the 30q still the best?

i'm happy with my 30qs.
i'm just curious.

gsmit, by saying the 15 watt could be subsumed into my 30 watt
category, you seem to agree that a lower watt recommendation would be nice.

 

[gsmit1]

i have some set ups i run at 15 watts.
is the 30q still the best?

i'm happy with my 30qs.
i'm just curious.

gsmit, by saying the 15 watt could be subsumed into my 30 watt
category, you seem to agree that a lower watt recommendation would be nice.

What I'm saying is that there's not enough difference that low to think about needing different batteries when you already have a bunch of 30Qs. Not only that, 30Qs leave you some headroom if you ever to decide to run a little higher.

You know I'm jist teasin ya too

 

[NealBJr]

i have some set ups i run at 15 watts.
is the 30q still the best?

i'm happy with my 30qs.
i'm just curious.

gsmit, by saying the 15 watt could be subsumed into my 30 watt
category, you seem to agree that a lower watt recommendation would be nice.

I vape at 25-35 watts on a .6-.7 ohm build, however, I always run at a higher amperage than I need for a few reasons.

First, I always like extra protection. Every once in a while, my mod will go up to a higher wattage, probably buttons being pressed while it's in the pocket. So I run a higher amperage first, for an extra safety precaution.

Second, running it at a lower rating doesn't heat up the battery as much. The amperage limit is not a hard limit on the battery, but more of an amperage limit to where it starts getting hot. Since there is no limit as to what a battery can put out, there is a limit that it puts out before it starts getting overheated. Battery companies generally rate the temporary rating and not a sustainable rating. When mooch does HIS testing, he monitors the heat output of the battery, and finds the proper sustainable limit instead of the "pulse" rating.

Lastly, usually higher amp batteries tent to last longer overall. That's just been my experience. 30 amp batteries have lasted me YEARS, whereas a 10 amp battery tends to last only 1.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

yeah, but that list is missing a catagory.
there should be one UP TO 30W.
mooch is a high power vaper n he forrgets that there are tons of people who prefer
low watt vaping..
everyone forgets us.

Up to 45 watts covers everything that is below. We are dealing with diminishing returns here. Anything below a CDR of 15 amps is not providing any gains for the end user. Why have a 30 watt category when the batteries in the 45 watt category out perform everything that is segregated to <30 watts?

And Mooch has not forgotten low watt vapers. His recommended list has more high capacity 18650's than high power batteries. He has tested a handful of low CDR batteries, but only a couple made it to his recommended list because the rest are not up to par.

Why recommend a Samsung 35E which is 8amps, 3500mAh when the Samsung 30Q outperforms it across the board.

 

[mcduffy]

...Why recommend a Samsung 35E which is 8amps, 3500mAh when the Samsung 30Q outperforms it across the board.

Because it yields more puffs per charge at a low wattage? Or does it?

 

[susieqz]

well, they claim 3500mah, which is why i startd this discussion.

 

[gsmit1]

well, they claim 3500mah, which is why i startd this discussion.

But if you're pushing it harder because of it's much lower current capability, it will actually run through it's capacity quicker than a 30Q with lower capacity, but more amperage. Because you're not working it as hard.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Because it yields more puffs per charge at a low wattage? Or does it?

well, they claim 3500mah, which is why i startd this discussion.

3500 mAh was measured at less than 1amp and down to 2.5 volts. We do no not vape at <1 amp draw and down to 2.5 volts. Below shows a 3.2 volt cut off at 5 amps that is average for regulated devices. Now compare the amp hours (AmpHrs) with other batteries. The 30Q achieves a higher amp hour with a 10 amp draw. It would be even higher with a 5 amp draw.

You can not just look at the mAh and assume higher means longer run time.

 

[susieqz]

well, see, thats what i'm trying to learn.
so, mahs don't count.
i gotta look at graphs?
there is no way to just look at battery specs n tell
if a battery is what you want?

by the way, i see mooch is on live tomorrow at 12 noon, est.

 

[gsmit1]

so, mahs don't count.

Mahs DO count, but not by themselves. He can explain it better than me.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

mAh’s do count but closer inspection is needed. Mooch explains in detail with this video.

 

[susieqz]

this is so irritating.
i spent lots of time learning those equations.
i use no calculator.
i can make ohms law stand on its hind legs n do tricks.
i could use a mech if i was willing to mess with coils n wicking them.
then i spent more time running those equations.
my numbers are good.
they say 1o amps is just fine.
then i see 10 amp batteries can give me 500 more mahs.
i get exited, then,
you guys shoot me down again.

i already have those 3 batteries.
i already know 30qs are best.
when you only charge to 4.1 or 4.15, there is a huge difference.
i wanna replace my hg2s n vt6s.
that's why i'm looking.

what about that new brand of batteries that caters to vapers?
mooch raves about them, but he hasn't run graphs.

 

[vaper1960]

You are overthinking this (but also wise to ask)

 

[gsmit1]

i get exited, then,
you guys shoot me down again.

But nobody's shooting you down Sue. Please don't look at it that way. Folks are just trying to help you get the best experience for your money.

You have a truckload of 30Qs over there. For your preferred vape... YOU'RE GOOD!

I totally understand how you want to learn. That's good too. While you're doing that, trust the vets who are telling you the batteries you have are perfect for you. In the process of learning, you'll learn why.

I just hate to see you stressing over this. For months now. I am NOT giving you a hard time AT ALL. Please take don't me that way either. My point is you could be enjoying your vape so much more.

 

[Ryedan]

i have some set ups i run at 15 watts.
is the 30q still the best?

i'm happy with my 30qs.
i'm just curious.

I vape at 11-13 watts. A little while back I wanted to replace my old set of 18650's. They were a mixed bunch of good batteries but they were 3-4 years old and some had seen a lot of use.

I did my research including looking at discharge curves. I considered the lower maximum amp rated higher mAh batts and in the end bought nine 30Q's. They perform as I expected and I'm very happy with them

 

[Punk In Drublic]

this is so irritating.
i spent lots of time learning those equations.
i use no calculator.
i can make ohms law stand on its hind legs n do tricks.
i could use a mech if i was willing to mess with coils n wicking them.
then i spent more time running those equations.
my numbers are good.
they say 1o amps is just fine.
then i see 10 amp batteries can give me 500 more mahs.
i get exited, then,
you guys shoot me down again.

i already have those 3 batteries.
i already know 30qs are best.
when you only charge to 4.1 or 4.15, there is a huge difference.
i wanna replace my hg2s n vt6s.
that's why i'm looking.

what about that new brand of batteries that caters to vapers?
mooch raves about them, but he hasn't run graphs.

No one is shooting you down. Just informing you that with your style of vaping you are not going to see much gains toward extended run time by using a higher mAh battery. This is unique to your situation based on what you are already using. Had you have been using a different battery, such as the VTC5A, then switching to a higher mAh like a VTC6 or the 30Q would have resulted in extended run time.

The mAh rating is not useless. But keep in mind that it is measured at less than 1amp draw and down to 2.5 volts. No one vapes down to 2.5 volts so we’ll never exploit the true mAh of a battery. A higher mAh can result in longer runtime, but closer analysis is needed based on our own unique vaping style.

If you are referring to Molicel, I do not think they cater to vapers per say. They are more open to vapers vs the other large manufactures, but they are not making batteries strictly for vaping. Mooch has tested both the P26A and P28A, graphs are in his blog entry. I suspect the P28 would give similar results in terms of run time as the 30Q for your vaping style. But I doubt you would see huge gains. It is an excellent battery and would make for a very compatible replacement for the HG2 or VTC6.

Also understand there is no best here. HG2, 30Q and VTC6 are all almost identical in terms of performance. We can look at Mooch’s shoot out above and conclude the VTC6 slightly betters the 30Q and HG2 respectively. But are the gains noticeable? We also do not have any longevity tests that were objectively measured.