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Mooch Poll: What is most important to you in a new battery?

Discussion in 'Batteries and Chargers' started by Mooch, Oct 31, 2018.

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  1. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    E-Moli One Energy Corp (Molicel) wants to challenge their engineers next year to make a lithium-ion cell better suited for vaping.

    What is the one most important thing you’d like to see done in a new cell? Not the wrapper added by the rewrappers or vendors, or what’s on it, but what would you want the bare cell from the factory to have?

    Molicel wants to know what’s important to you. (Click the link to the left)

    We would all probably want several of the things listed to be done but pick just one, the most important thing to you.

    When you have finished you can see the results of everyone’s votes and even come back later to see the results after more have voted.

    I’ll post the results later, just in case you can’t easily read the pie chart and chart legend on a mobile device.

    Thank you!

    Mooch
     
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  2. mimöschen

    mimöschen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2016
    As they already have a very good 18650 and 21700 in their portfolio, another 20700 that reaches or exceeds the performance of the elusive Sanyo 2070C would be a nice addition, because there are a lot of 20700-mods that don't take 21700s.

    That said, wouldn't be reducing the IR the best choice for cellperformance, considering that this would result in higher CDR, better cyclelife and lower temperatures without sacrificing mah?
     
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  3. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    Make that your choice. :)
     
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  4. Tim Wiseman

    Tim Wiseman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2017
    Bolton, England
    am i missing something, i can't see a choice of options?
     
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  5. untar

    untar Vaping Master

    Feb 7, 2018
    Germany
    Have you, like, clicked the link? ^^

    If you did you might need to disable adblock/noscript/something for docs.google
     
  6. Tim Wiseman

    Tim Wiseman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2017
    Bolton, England
    Lol i thought it was a poll on here, cheers!
     
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  7. Tim Wiseman

    Tim Wiseman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2017
    Bolton, England
    Shouldn't they be working towards all those goals anyway?
     
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  8. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    That would be nice. Some are mutually exclusive though, others will take up to years to do. Almost all will probably add cost though so knowing which one(s) the market wants most helps them choose the ones to work on first.
     
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  9. mimöschen

    mimöschen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2016
    I already did before posting;)

    That's why I actually asked, if lowering the IR would yield the most benefit compared to some of the other choices.
    Or is lowering the IR that much harder to accomplish than to just crank up the mah/Wh or CDR?
     
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  10. Tim Wiseman

    Tim Wiseman Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 29, 2017
    Bolton, England
    My point is, if the poll is heavily in favour of something that's more difficult to achieve then they will work on something that's easier making the poll just more for public relations than of much use.
     
  11. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    My choice was "Create cells with higher capacity ratings".

    I vape 10W at about 4.3 amps. High MAH is my friend. Give me a 10A 18650 cell with 6000mah capacity and I'll vape for 24 hours+ clock time and way beyond.
     
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  12. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    Capacity is easy, just use a bigger can or thinner electrodes. But the current rating goes down then. Reducing the IR increases the size and cost of everything. The market won’t always accept that.
     
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  13. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    Perhaps. Unless they say yes to the hard-to-do stuff because they actually do want to challenge their engineers and create a product that helps them stand out in this crowded market.

    But would any of those things in the poll be bad to do?
     
  14. stols001

    stols001 Moved On ECF Veteran

    May 30, 2017
    This was neat I entered. :)

    Hope they do MANY of those things :)

    Anna
     
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  15. mimöschen

    mimöschen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2016
    I think it's very nice to see that there's finally a company that recognizes vapers as viable customers, no matter if they do the poll just for PR or not.

    With their formidable upcoming 21700 and 18650 they already offer excellent alternatives to the cells manufactured by the Big4.
    Their 20700 isn't bad at all either, but it definetively has room for improvement and considering that with Sanyo there's only one competitor, that would be the biggest chance to score for them imo.
    The chance to get a 25A 6000mah 18650 would be nice for sure as well, but I think that's more wishful thinking than anything else due to the physical limitations.
    "Exotic" formats like 26650 or 20350 won't have too much customers to pay off in the end, because mods utilizing those are more of a niche product.
     
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  16. Robin Becker

    Robin Becker Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 3, 2018
    Berlin
    Agree for 100%, however we have to admit, that some few more important factors are involved:

    1. How competative the price of Molicel in comparison to other alternative products will be?
    2. Would the retailers out there care about Molicel intention and would promote that, or just keep on selling, what the customers are asking for?

    I personally prefer to us a battery that comes from a manufacturer, that have my needs and wishes in mind...however am I in the majority?
     
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  17. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hundertwasser
    I asked for more mAh, and world peace, and to bring back the old style ring pulls on soda cans.
     
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  18. mimöschen

    mimöschen Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2016
    Moli's not some backyard company, but quite a name in the industry and their 20700A is a reliable lowbudget cell with decent performance, that's available for half the price of the Sanyos. I'd happily pay a dollar or two more, if their new 20700 would come close to or equal the performance of their Sanyo counterparts.
     
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  19. AttyPops

    AttyPops Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    Needs to be more compact, though.
     
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  20. cats5365

    cats5365 Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 27, 2013
    United States
    I voted for a better 18350 cell, but what we really need is a good button top that will fit an older Provari 2.5. I didn't see a choice for button tops, unless the one for the "mech mods" was meant to be a button top style.
     
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