More wraps burns through juice faster?

[Zhooligan20]

I understand that more surface area is great (especially on a vw mod) but does it burn through juice faster?

Got an IPV. First VW mod. Trying to figure out how I can get more pulls without juicing every 2 pulls. I'm running a ten wrap macro dual with 24 gauge kanthal. I keep the wattage around 50-40 watts. The Plume is my rda

Can someone help me out? Any suggestions for a build that produces flavor but isn't a juice .....? Any wicking tips?

 

[Susan~S]

What is the ohm of your build?

 

[Kaezziel]

Higher resistance and lower wattage will decrease your juice consumption.
It will also reduce your vapor production.

The number of wraps isn't really all that relevant to juice consumption. Power is what is relevant.
I've got a 14/13 wrap of 32g wire in my Orchid... 2.8 ohms total resistance between the dual coils on a 15W Tesla. It sips juice.
I'v'e got a 5/4 wrap of 26g Nichrome in my Tobh on a mech... that's 110W... it sucks juice like a 69 Camaro with dual carbs...

 

[FallenRawToast]

add more wick. and fill the bottom up a bit.

I get 5 to 8 full hits on my Plume Veil Clone, at watts and a coil very similar to yours.


p.s. when you do fill it back up, is there still plenty of juice in the tails of your wick? just not under the coils itself? It is possible your wick is too tick in the coil, and it is being "pinched" so it cant wick fast enough to keep up with you.

 

[K_Tech]

Higher resistance and lower wattage will decrease your juice consumption.
It will also reduce your vapor production.

The number of wraps isn't really all that relevant to juice consumption. Power is what is relevant.
I've got a 14/13 wrap of 32g wire in my Orchid... 2.8 ohms total resistance between the dual coils on a 15W Tesla. It sips juice.
I'v'e got a 5/4 wrap of 26g Nichrome in my Tobh on a mech... that's 110W... it sucks juice like a 69 Camaro with dual carbs...

Ah, I can't agree with that 100%. You need to look at power density, too, which is directly related to coil size. Same resistance, same power applied, a 32 gauge coil and a 22 gauge coil are not going to perform the same.

 

[Kaezziel]

Ah, I can't agree with that 100%. You need to look at power density, too, which is directly related to coil size. Same resistance, same power applied, a 32 gauge coil and a 22 gauge coil are not going to perform the same.

I understand that. 32awg and 22awg are vastly different, and given the same resistance, you'll need considerably more wraps (or larger ID) with the 22awg.
What I'm getting at is, it's the power that is causing juice consumption to increase.
For instance, make a coil that is a 5/4 wrap of 26awg Nichrome with a 1.6mm ID... that's roughly 0.32 ohms, put it on a mech at 4.2V and that is about 55W
Now make a coil that is a 10/9 wrap of 26awg Nichrome same 1.6mm... that's roughly 0.65 ohms, put it on the same mech at 4.2V and that is about 27W

I guarantee that you'll go through juice faster on the first one at 55W... that's power, not surface area...

 

[sketchness]

You can simply back the wattage off a bit. I do that when I am driving. I will juice up my dripper and then turn it down to like 35 watts. It is a cool vape, but it works for 10 or so puffs on a little igo w3.

 

[Zhooligan20]

What is the ohm of your build?

.4 ohms. Usually prefer 24g kanthal. But I also got 28.

 

[Zhooligan20]

add more wick. and fill the bottom up a bit.

I get 5 to 8 full hits on my Plume Veil Clone, at watts and a coil very similar to yours.


p.s. when you do fill it back up, is there still plenty of juice in the tails of your wick? just not under the coils itself? It is possible your wick is too tick in the coil, and it is being "pinched" so it cant wick fast enough to keep up with you.

I don't think it's too tight. It's a macro build, so threading is no problem.

 

[sketchness]

This build is functioning as intended, it specs out at 173 mm squared. This equals rapid juice consumption. A heavy VG juice may help this situation out a bit. But really this build is doing exactly what it was meant to do, hit like a freight train. Good work man.

I run a .3 ohm build on 26 gauge with a DIY 80vg/20pg custard and it hits really smooth at 40 watts and 7 - 10 draws on fresh wicks. Seems I have to change the wicks quite often to maintain performance. At least every day.

 

[Kaezziel]

This build is functioning as intended, it specs out at 173 mm squared. This equals rapid juice consumption. A heavy VG juice may help this situation out a bit. But really this build is doing exactly what it was meant to do, hit like a freight train. Good work man.

I run a .3 ohm build on 26 gauge with a DIY 80vg/20pg custard and it hits really smooth at 40 watts and 7 - 10 draws on fresh wicks. Seems I have to change the wicks quite often to maintain performance. At least every day.

Lemme guess... cotton wicks?
Have you tried rayon (cellucotton) yet?
I've got a dripper set up at 0.16 ohms on a mech... wicked with rayon, I rewick once a week or so.

 

[ProjektMayhem]

I have an iPV2 with a Tobh 2.5. 28g, 12 wraps, dual coil, 0.9 ohms, and has to be dripped every 5-8 pulls. Try something like that. IMO I like the higher resistance builds on the iPV because you can get high voltage at higher wattage. You don't have to super subohm on iPV2's.

 

[Jason Spencer]

It's more about power than wraps, although less wraps (all other things equal) will make the circuit have less resistance and thus burn more juice. It's about total length of wire, and kanthal is resistance wire. The more wire, the more resistance. The more resistance the less wattage. As was said, you will get less vapor by decreasing wattage (increasing resistance or decreasing voltage). My battery saver builds for long days used to be 1.0 or higher with 18650s. A good deep well is better than anything in my opinion though. I run 400 watts on my mutation xl and can still get a handful of pulls before it's dry

 

[sketchness]

Lemme guess... cotton wicks?
Have you tried rayon (cellucotton) yet?

Nope not yet. But would be interested in checking it out. Where do you get it online?

 

[Zhooligan20]

This build is functioning as intended, it specs out at 173 mm squared. This equals rapid juice consumption. A heavy VG juice may help this situation out a bit. But really this build is doing exactly what it was meant to do, hit like a freight train. Good work man.

I run a .3 ohm build on 26 gauge with a DIY 80vg/20pg custard and it hits really smooth at 40 watts and 7 - 10 draws on fresh wicks. Seems I have to change the wicks quite often to maintain performance. At least every day.

I'm still trying to figure it out though. I rebuilt it and put the coils higher so I could put more wick in the cup. However i also think my wicking is an issue too. You can tell right off the bat that the wick touching the side of the coil gets all brown.

 

[Zhooligan20]

Lemme guess... cotton wicks?
Have you tried rayon (cellucotton) yet?
I've got a dripper set up at 0.16 ohms on a mech... wicked with rayon, I rewick once a week or so.

yeah i'm just using normal ol' organic cotton

 

[Susan~S]

Nope not yet. But would be interested in checking it out. Where do you get it online?

Here are some different wicking materials:

1. Cellucotton (Rayon) - at Sally's Beauty Supply ($11.49 for 500 feet)
2. Shiseido - at Sephora ($9.50) or Macy's or Nordstroms
3. Ko Gen Do - at Sephora ($12.00 for 60 pads)

 

[Kaezziel]

Thanks Susan!
Anyway, like Susan said, you can get Rayon at Sally's Beauty Supply (online or B&M)
What you want to look for is:
Graham Cellucotton Box Numbers: 44060 (500 ft), 44043 (3 lbs = 900 ft), 44040 (1200 ft), 44130 (40 ft).
Trust me... it is SOOOOOo worth giving it a shot!! And check out the Rayon thread for all the tips and tricks on how to use it... it is not like cotton (you need more of it.. tighter inside the coil)
Rayon Wick: Better Flow, Flavor, Saturation and Nic Hit

 

[DaveP]

I don't know how high watt vapers afford the juice that 40W can eat. I'm going through a 50ml bottle of juice in a week with a 1.7 ohm coil at 3.7v with an organic cotton wick on a Kayfun 3.1/Provari.

I've vaped 23W on a DNA30 mod and it's a nice cool vape with lots of flavor, but don't all those clouds eat juice like that 69 Camaro with dual 4 barrels that someone mentioned above?

 

[Kaezziel]

I don't know how high watt vapers afford the juice that 40W can eat. I'm going through a 50ml bottle of juice in a week with a 1.7 ohm coil at 3.7v with an organic cotton wick on a Kayfun 3.1/Provari.

I've vaped 23W on a DNA30 mod and it's a nice cool vape with lots of flavor, but don't all those clouds eat juice like that 69 Camaro with dual 4 barrels that someone mentioned above?

LOL Dave!
Yeah, I run mostly drippers on mechs... which usually equates to around 75-110W... I go through a 30ml bottle in about 4 days average. Somewhere around 7 bottles a month... though there are days that I'll kill 30ml in 2 days... much like the 69 Camaro Sensible driving and I can stretch it out a bit, but every now and then, ya just gotta drop tha hammer!