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Muted flavor Zeus X RTA

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  1. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    Hi all!

    I recently bought the Zeus X RTA after I have been using the Freemax Mesh Pro with the dual kanthal coil. The Zeus X is my first RTA, but as suprised as I was of the flavor from the Mesh Pro, as disappointed I am now about the flavor of the Zeus X. I have watched a lot of Zeus X wicking tutorials and I think I have done a decent build (Will upload photo of the wicking later today). But the flavor is very muted for me, and I am experiencing throat hit as well, which I didn't have with the Mesh Pro.

    Is there something which I might have forgot or must do in order to enhance the flavor? I am new to RTA's so maybe it is the coils, maybe it is the brand of the cotton or the wrong wicking method or maybe even the voltage... I have no idea at the moment.

    - Vaporesso Luxe S in Wattage mode (65-75W)
    - The two coils included with the Zeus X
    - XFKM Cotton Gemoh

    - Rainbowvapes Forest Fruit (80VG-20PG - 3MG)
    - Twelve Monkeys Matata (75VG-25PG - 3MG)
  2. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    The throat hit and the muted flavor make it Sound like it’s running hot and dry. So a wicking AND a power problem. Or just a wicking problem if it’s bad enough. Did you look at the coil and make sure it was staying wet?

    Also it’s not mesh, I don’t think anyway. Iirc (which I might not be)the Zeus x is dual standard coil. Mesh is new tech, and it’s become popular for a reason. Mesh has advantages and disadvantages, but the advantages are often in vape quality. Disadvantages include heating element lifespan, general fiddlyness, immense cotton requirements, and hot spot issues. They only run well if they’re set up just right. Coils are more forgiving, versatile, and simple.
    if the mesh is running right and the regular coil isn’t you're going to get a much better vape from anything mesh. If the mesh isn’t running right the vape will be utterly horrid.
    A doom RTA would probably have been a better comparison.
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  3. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    You might be right on the power problem. As I mentioned, I'm new to RTA's and I think I have missed something... I've turned 'Auto Mode' on in the settings, which I believe sets the voltage my mod thinks is the best one. I have also turned my wattage lower to 50W. The throat hit isn't there anymore, but the flavor didn't get much better yet, maybe after a few more vapes.

    So if it's a voltage or power problem, then I guess I shouldn't use wattage mode..?

    Thank you!
  4. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    You believe falsely I suspect. Auto mode and wattage mode should be different. Something is messed up in your description.
    There are a couple kinds of auto mode. If you’re referring to TC that’s a whole other kettle of fish you need to read about, you can’t TC with kanthal at all. The other newer much less common kind of auto only works with certain brand specific coil cartridges. Most mods don’t even have a new version auto mode at all. What mod are you using?

    In any case It won’t do squat with an RDA. As to wattage I personally rarely vape anything above 30w. Always start low and work up. Coil cartridges generally run at higher wattages than RTAs.
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  5. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    I might have stated the auto mode wrong, but I thought I read somewhere on Reddit that it changes the voltage. I own the Vaporesso Luxe S and this is what the manual states:

    Auto mode

    Based on the three VW modes, with the Auto mode on, it will adjust between VW H/N/S automatically to ensure best flavor and cool vaping from the very first puff to the last

    How to enable it: System Menu > SET > AUTO ON/OFF

    I probably also turned the wattage way too high because the mod would continue producing vapor even 3 seconds after releasing the button.

    The mode I am currently using is the variable wattage mode, and I run it on normal at the moment.

    I'm going to try out some lower wattages and see what it does with the flavor. At least the throat hit got solved now.
  6. bombastinator

    bombastinator ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2010
    MN USA
    not a fan of reddit myself
    What are amps, watts, volts and ohms?
    reading that I notice it’s using VW not VV. That’s wattage not voltage.
    often that’s residual coil heat. Something mesh doesn’t have as much of an issue with because it’s low mass. You got high mass exotic coils in there?
    With DL high flavor comes from high juice usage.
  7. DeloresRose

    DeloresRose Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Apr 25, 2014
    toledo ohio
    I generally don’t use the coils that come with any RBA because I am too lazy to track down the specs, which are often not given. And I like to try them with the same as I’m using in other tanks at the time, a more apples to apples comparison.

    Sounds like you’re getting the wattage close to where it needs to be, and I’d suspect if you thin the tails a bit more it would help the wicking.
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  8. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    These are photos of current wicking. Going to do rewicking anyway, and see if more cotton + fluffing it out more helps in terms of flavor.

    Attached Files:

  9. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    New attempt

    Update: Vaping at 30W at the moment, using a new flavor for me: Rainbowvapes Red Berry Blast (80VG - 20PG - 3MG) and I must say the flavor is still very disappointing...

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  10. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    I am currently using the coils that came with the Zeus X. Those are N80 Fused Clapton coils (28ga*3+40ga) 0.4 Ohm /NiChrome.
  11. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 25, 2013
    I just got a black Zeus X RTA yesterday.
    I used the included coils & wick. I use 2mg/ml Max VG DIY ~80VG
    I combed the wicks and built them basically the same as Rip, Mike, Matt, Vic, I forget who else.
    First Rip video I watched in 5 years and if I watch another within 5 it'll be too soon but he can build.
    This thing cranks and cranks at 75W, 85W, I cranked it at 120W for a few and it kept up but yikes!
    I settled on 65W for now for the best flavor vs heat.
    I use 69W on my Zeus X subohm (mesh) and 62W-64W with Aero/Cerberus Supermesh .2Ω
    I'm spoiled on mesh's coolness but this hits great with good flavor and impressive clouds.
    I ordered a gold one a little while ago while I still can (Massachusetts) because I like it that much.

    I don't know what's harshing your build but figure it out and enjoy. This RTA is a winner.
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  12. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    i finally managed to get optimal flavour out of this tank, although I still purchased the Kylin V2 since people claim it is a flavor beast. And they are right! What an insane flavor!! But however I wick that thing I keep getting spitback which shouldn’t be there.
  13. uthinkofsomething

    uthinkofsomething Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    Jun 7, 2015
    Toledo, Ohio
    Increase wattage. Will vaporize more of the liquid in your wicking and keep it from being oversaturated. Tighter wicking in coil helps with spitting as well.
  14. UncleEddy

    UncleEddy Full Member

    Aug 2, 2019
    That is what I though as well. I increased from 65W to 100W+ and the flavor increased, but so did the spitback as well.

    I have tried thinning ends, short and long tails, no thinning at all and I also tried to stuff it in there. Nothing seems to help. My first 6-8 puffs are always great without any spitback, but after those 8 puffs it’s just insane.

    I have also tried different type of clapton coils, but it changes the spitback only a little bit...
  15. chellie

    chellie Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 24, 2014
    Some useful info here. I have the Zeus X RTA, too, and find the flavor is not very good. Disappointing. I actually went to a very plain dual build at.19 which is lower than I usually go and got a little bit better flavor but not much.
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  16. henrysimon

    henrysimon New Member

    Oct 4, 2019
    i also feel kind of muted after changing the spitback whatsoever
    I think i'm wicking to tight......

    spitback sometimes give sweet flavor instead just smoke......
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  17. Pigs

    Pigs Ultra Member ECF Veteran

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    Jun 7, 2019
    Sydney Australia
    I agree.
    I've been running the Zeus X for a couple of months now with dual Game Over Ni80 Aliens - resistance of about 0.21 Ohms. I normally drive that at just under 80W
    This is the best flavour from a top airlfow RTA I've ever had. It's consistent and bullet proof. Buy 5 and never need another.
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  18. Pigs

    Pigs Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jun 7, 2019
    Sydney Australia
    Too much cotton. I never have my wicks that bulky in the Zeus X. I never get spitback and the flavour is great. You need to vape this RTA at higher wattage to get decent flavour. Between 60 an 90 W probably best with those coils IMO
  19. GOMuniEsq

    GOMuniEsq Self-Proclaimed Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 25, 2012
    Alberta, Canada
    There's your problem. The stock coils are included only for completeness. They're too wimpy to actually use. I've found the F207 0.28ohm fused claptons are a substantial improvement, driven at 90W.
  20. P3ch3

    P3ch3 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2019
    well, maybe all is related to coils... the provided coils on RTA's is something i didnt take on count, never use'em, i rather my own ones, coilology wire, 5 wraps, 0.25 dual.. i really like my zeus X, gotta confess that i prefer my Creed RTA or themis dual cover over zeus X, since the best zeus for flavor for me is zeus single...
    Zeus sub: well, the best flavor was reached at 73W, with cerberus, well, the cerberus that comes with aegis solo works amazing on 60-65W mark, but the cerberus that comes with the new mesh crap coils is amazing at 75W,
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