My juice is loosing the flavor over time

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At least I am fairly certain it's the juice and not my buds...
I won't mention the vendor for it may not be they're fault. I bought a good amount of juice at 32 mg. strength about 5 weeks ago. At that time the temperature was toasty. When I received it (about 3 days shipping) the flavors were good and strong (I ordered extra flavor in all). I have kept all of them in my fridge, pulling a bottle out now and then to fill a 30 ml. bottle which I store in a wall cabinet to use everyday until gone. I don't let my refrigerated bottles get warm, they are only room temperature for a couple minutes to fill other bottles.

All of the flavors I have are now to the point of being very week and almost flavorless. I have ordered flavorings from Capella's to spice them back up again...but...I'm not sure if this is the correct approach. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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What flavors are you seeing the drop in and do those juices have a high percentage of VG by any chance? If they do, I may know a way to perk them up slightly.

I've noticed a slight dropoff in flavor on juices as well, but was expecting it, especially after they are opened and exposed to air. That's ok to me as I prefer more subtle aroma. In fact, on some juices that are a bit "strong", I will intentionally pump air into the bottle to help reduce the flavor level.
 

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What flavors are you seeing the drop in and do those juices have a high percentage of VG by any chance? If they do, I may know a way to perk them up slightly.

I've noticed a slight dropoff in flavor on juices as well, but was expecting it, especially after they are opened and exposed to air. That's ok to me as I prefer more subtle aroma. In fact, on some juices that are a bit "strong", I will intentionally pump air into the bottle to help reduce the flavor level.

My flavors are all 100 percent v.g....banana fosters, waffle, banana nut bread, banana split (the banana split is still very cloudy), coffee..........
 

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I use VG also, and it does eat flavors.
I DIY my juice, and use tobacco absolute and caramel to flavor...I also use 100 per cent ECOpure VG, I've found there is virtually no loss of flavor, but I do in all fairness mix 10ml batches, that's about a week's worth for me. I don't know how much "time" you are speaking of, and also your flavorings may be a little at fault too. My flavorings are extracts and absolutes, so I dilute and mix according to the strength of flavor I want....some 'prepared' flavorings aren't maybe as concentrated, so you have to use more? possibly...I haven't tried any of those.
 
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I use VG also, and it does eat flavors.
I DIY my juice, and use tobacco absolute and caramel to flavor...I also use 100 per cent ECOpure VG, I've found there is virtually no loss of flavor, but I do in all fairness mix 10ml batches, that's about a week's worth for me. I don't know how much "time" you are speaking of, and also your flavorings may be a little at fault too. My flavorings are extracts and absolutes, so I dilute and mix according to the strength of flavor I want....some 'prepared' flavorings aren't maybe as concentrated, so you have to use more? possibly...I haven't tried any of those.

So I could actually use flavors from this place Nature's Flavors : Organic Flavor Extracts ?? and where can I get the 100 percent; ecopure vg........I have had my flavors 5 weeks thanks
 
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Nobodyatall,

How do you perk up VG flavors that have lost their zing?

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Ok, now this is experimental, but is working gangbusters on the NATURALLY fruit flavored juices (these happen to be from Velvet Vapors)I have, which are 100percent VG base by the way. The effects on PG/VG juices (different vendor, experiment in progress) seems to have been limited thusfar.

You may like to try adding 10-25 percent (odd, the new forum software doesn't like the percent symbol) tequila or whiskey. I'm still playing with it to see what brings the best effect, but the ethanol seems to drag the flavor back out of its submersion in the glycerine and make it more vibrant and alive. Hydrating the glycerine slightly seems to help tame the awesome drying effects it has as well. Stuff was drying my tongue so badly that my sense of taste was fading real fast and that was a tragedy considering the excellent flavor I was getting.

There seems to be a point at which the flavor and aroma jumps dramatically. Below that point the effect isn't more than mildly noticable. It doesn't seem to work very well with menthol thusfar and may be limited in effects on some flavors. It may well be that the esters and other "fruity" tasting chemicals have a greater affinity for the alcohol than the glycerine and that is why they give such an effect.

I would be very curious to learn if you have any success with it and which flavors and vendors you use. The results are liable to be mixed depending on the exact compounds which are in a given flavoring. This is almost the point at which chemistry and alchemy meet.

Effects:

Menthol-little if any
Peach-excellent
Mango-excellent
Watermelon-in progress

The whole thing is going pretty slowly. I'm enjoying the flavors so much that I just feel no need to hurry to the next flavor. lol
 
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Ok, now this is experimental, but is working gangbusters on the NATURALLY fruit flavored juices (these happen to be from Velvet Vapors)I have, which are 100percent VG base by the way. The effects on PG/VG juices (different vendor, experiment in progress) seems to have been limited thusfar.

You may like to try adding 10-25 percent (odd, the new forum software doesn't like the percent symbol) tequila or whiskey. I'm still playing with it to see what brings the best effect, but the ethanol seems to drag the flavor back out of its submersion in the glycerine and make it more vibrant and alive. Hydrating the glycerine slightly seems to help tame the awesome drying effects it has as well. Stuff was drying my tongue so badly that my sense of taste was fading real fast and that was a tragedy considering the excellent flavor I was getting.

There seems to be a point at which the flavor and aroma jumps dramatically. Below that point the effect isn't more than mildly noticable. It doesn't seem to work very well with menthol thusfar and may be limited in effects on some flavors. It may well be that the esters and other "fruity" tasting chemicals have a greater affinity for the alcohol than the glycerine and that is why they give such an effect.

I would be very curious to learn if you have any success with it and which flavors and vendors you use. The results are liable to be mixed depending on the exact compounds which are in a given flavoring. This is almost the point at which chemistry and alchemy meet.

Effects:

Menthol-little if any
Peach-excellent
Mango-excellent
Watermelon-in progress

The whole thing is going pretty slowly. I'm enjoying the flavors so much that I just feel no need to hurry to the next flavor. lol

So you are saying the ethanol from liquor brings the flavor back??
 

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So you are saying the ethanol from liquor brings the flavor back??

I suspect that hydrating the glycerine helps some, as that was a step I took to try and alleviate the extreme dryness on my tongue. That improved the situation a little. It was when I had a few drops of juice set aside and dropped in a drop of tequila that the aroma really leapt up. I was surprised at how much tho. The only remarkable difference between water and liquor is the ethanol and a small amount of flavor in the liquor itself. If I had grain alcohol, I would have used it instead. Not having it, I improvised.

For me, the results of that addition of tequila has been remarkable. Please try it and see if it works for you.

Whether it will renew faded flavors completely is an unknown.
 

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I suspect that hydrating the glycerine helps some, as that was a step I took to try and alleviate the extreme dryness on my tongue. That improved the situation a little. It was when I had a few drops of juice set aside and dropped in a drop of tequila that the aroma really leapt up. I was surprised at how much tho. The only remarkable difference between water and liquor is the ethanol and a small amount of flavor in the liquor itself. If I had grain alcohol, I would have used it instead. Not having it, I improvised.

For me, the results of that addition of tequila has been remarkable. Please try it and see if it works for you.

Whether it will renew faded flavors completely is an unknown.

I tried rum before I read this. I do have ever clear so I'll try that next....rum not working well.
 

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I tried rum before I read this. I do have ever clear so I'll try that next....rum not working well.

Yeah, this is where it almost turns into alchemy. The question becomes "What is being used in the juice to make the flavor?". I don't know exactly what VV is using, except that the flavor is spot on "real", not artificial or candylike, and they present it as a fact. I believe them too! What is in your juice? There's no way to know that either.

Flavors are comprised of chemical compounds. They can break down, be absorbed, changed, etc. If yours are just "dead" or degraded, then it may be game over for them. All I found appears to be a way to enhance. But you can't enhance what isn't there.
 

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There are so many variables - whether the flavoring is organic or synthetic. Some flavors do well being refrigerated and some lose their flavor. I think the key is to find flavors you like and reorder often instead of stocking up. I strictly DIY and can make fresh batches whenever I want. Some flavors, like chocolate, are better when they have time to meld while lemon loses its flavor quickly. Unfortunately there's not a simple solution that I have found.
 

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While about 800 ml. of stocked up juice I have is almost flavorless, I do seem to be able to add more flavoring and nic juice to bring some flavor back so it's not a total loss. The only thing is it's just not the same great flavor it was. Kind of boring.
Another lesson learned. I did order Capellas on Wed. but don't know how long that will take so for now I'm using Loranns. Think I'll try this V.V. also...matter of fact mfs has 15 per cent off nic juice. I can get 500 ml. of 60 mg. for about 80 bucks and that includes shipping. I'm thinking 60 mg. would be just right and easy to mix...just use half of any bottle with nic juice and the other half with flav and other stuff and there I have my 30 mg. liquid.....simple.
I do not see velvet vapor in the vendor section , do you have an address?
 

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I do not see velvet vapor in the vendor section , do you have an address?

No address, but a link:

Velvet Vapors - Home

I've had some contact with them. They say it's real fruit flavor from actual fruit they are using. I believe!

I also let them know of my experimentation with their juices and the results. No idea if they will do anything with it. But I DO know this is some amazing mango flavor I have in my mouth... just have to remember to drop in a little tequila first if they don't alter the recipe.

Glad your juice is salvageable. Would've been a real tragedy if it had mutated into "shrunken head" flavor or something really repulsive.

FYI: I seem to have located the distributor (in the US) for the flavors VV uses.

http://www.liberty-flights.com/product.asp?id=15

The original source is apparently FlavourArt.
 
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This may make a difference: I never refrigerate my juice, my 10-ml mixed-ready-to-use recipe is always on the shelf. That lasts me about a week. My mixing liquids (ECOpure Krystal and plain) is in cool, dry place for storage, but not refrigerated.
If you've ever noticed the difference between a piece of watermelon is more flavorful at room temp than cold. Same with cheese, and just about everything else. Ice cream is better after it sits at room temp for a short time, for me anyway!
So in use would e-juice vaporize differently, I would have to do some serious experimenting to say one or the other is more tasty. But it may be something to consider.
 
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This may make a difference: I never refrigerate my juice, my 10-ml mixed-ready-to-use recipe is always on the shelf. That lasts me about a week. My mixing liquids (ECOpure Krystal and plain) is in cool, dry place for storage, but not refrigerated.
If you've ever noticed the difference between a piece of watermelon is more flavorful at room temp than cold. Same with cheese, and just about everything else. Ice cream is better after it sits at room temp for a short time, for me anyway!
So in use would e-juice vaporize differently, I would have to do some serious experimenting to say one or the other is more tasty. But it may be something to consider.

Kate , that makes a lot of sense. When I think of where my "frame of mind" was at the time I bought over a thousand ml. of juice...I must have just read an FDA article or something. Sometimes I get these urges or a little voice in my head is telling me to stock up. Time for a different approach. On a different note I gave my sister an ego and she's hanging in there. Tonight she was going back and forth between analogs and the ego which is great. I've turned some of my juice into a more smokey flavor with some p.a. stuff and she digs it...I tasted it and I and more than happy to let her have it!
 

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By now I should have learned never to say something has never happened to me because then surely it will! Well, my flavors are losing their intensity quickly this summer. Some that I bought from vendors back in February/March have little flavor left and even some of the mixes I've made more recently are vaping weak after this heat wave.

I also have those waves of paranoia and stock up. Now I wish I wouldn't have spent so much on flavorings since I think that's where the problem lies. I haven't figured out the culprit and whether or not it's the heat or ??? My house stays fairly cool and I keep the flavorings in a dark cabinet so I'm not sure what's causing this. Just hoping the flavorings I haven't mixed yet are still good. This is quite distressing and I sure hope I haven't wasted hundreds of dollars!! :unsure:
 

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I don't know about now, but awhile back there was a general rule that juices would store in a cool dry atmosphere for 2 years. A kind of accepted shelf life for nicotine. Plain juices (no nicotine) would store longer, PG longer than VG by a year or so.
We do react everytime we hear another state enforce smoking bans, we want to stock up more: I'd say to overdo it isn't exactly wasting money, but we do have to think about the quality of juice after long storages. Be careful of obviously 'off' smells and colors, even clouding of products...if in doubt don't use them. But they should stand some period of storage time beyond the anticipated if kept at somewhat stable temps and not a too dry or too humid ~ that's a problem in refrigeration, even with sealed glass bottles for long periods of time.
My printer inks are "good" far beyond expiration dates, (the companies don't tell you that) but then again we don't inhale them! But they must be kept cool and dry.
I've been looking back through old Threads, I know there was some experimenting with "freezing" juices that didn't work well, seems there was product degradation and some separating, but haven't come across them yet. Will keep trying...if memory serves that was April May or June of last year. But it's known that PG and VG will not freeze until you get down in the -0`F range, definitely not good for nicotine.
 
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