my opinion: heavy users are downfall for the rest

[Equilibrium]

What he said!

 

[Vaslovik]

All they care about is they don't want it around them based on what it looks like.

All they care about is that they can mess with you based on what it looks like and they will go out of their way to do so.

 

[exnihilo]

Big clouds v. Small clouds? If someone's gonna {MODERATED} and complain, the size of your cloud ain't gonna mean bupkis. How small is small enough to appease the crowd? I can pick out a tiny puff from 3 light years away.

The other side of the coin says, don't vape where smoking's not allowed. Pick one.

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[Equilibrium]

All they care about is that they can mess with you based on what it looks like and they will go out of their way to do so.

I'll say it again.... There will always be self righteous {MODERATED} walking among us.

 

[chellemmm]

Perception = Reality for many.

Sometimes I get "dirty looks" and a lecture when I am merely HOLDING my device. I smile. When lectured, I smile MORE and say that after over one year of vaping, my lungs feel oh, so much BETTER then when I smoked 2 packs of cowboy killers a day (for 30+ years!)
I then rhapsodize about not burning holes in my clothes and how much whiter my teeth are. If they still yammer on about the chemicals (antifreeze-ugh) I smile MORE and talk about the thousands of chemicals in cigarettes and in food. I can yammer with the best of them, with a BIG smile on my face while I am doing so.

After a bit, the person either walks away or starts asking me for more information on how to purchase one...

SMILING disarms more people than negativity or rudeness will ever do.

 

[JayQC]

And you sir, are more annoying than both combined.

I tend to disagree with this, seeing as everyone in this discussion seems to get publicly scolded for vaping, except me and a couple others.


Guy : I think vaping in public is a privilege that should be enjoyed in full consideration of others, just like smoking is.

Other guy : Then you should work for the FDA.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[danca90]

You know this isn't a strictly American forum. And, for that, I'm going to use my bolt with a 5 mil carto tank on it today.

 

[Equilibrium]

You know this isn't a strictly American forum. And, for that, I'm going to use my bolt with a 5 mil carto tank on it today.

By all means... vape happily

 

[Never Lift]

And they plainly see in your hand what quite obviously isn't a cigarette and decide to come after you anyway, just because they can and because they are just nasty people full of hate and need to bash someone and you are as good a target as a smoker in their eyes.

The not full of hate there miserable, and misery loves company.

Sent from the coolest gadget ever.

 

[TomGeorge]

I tend to disagree with this, seeing as everyone in this discussion seems to get publicly scolded for vaping, except me and a couple others.


Guy : I think vaping in public is a privilege that should be enjoyed in full consideration of others, just like smoking is.

Other guy : Then you should work for the FDA.

Makes perfect sense.

I have been asked not to vape in restaurants and bars. and when that happens I talk to them, hear their side of the story, respectfully agree not to vape there and offer to inform them more about vaping. Then I go out side and vape. I don't pout and tell people what they should and shouldn't do. Nor do I preach about the "proper" way to vape (aka the way I vape) and claim that everyone who doesn't agree is a problem to the community.

P.S. its pretty annoying when someone takes other peoples posts out of context to suit their own argument instead of replying with an actual rebuttal. I would much rather sit in a car with a smoker and a vaper, than with someone who converses like a 4 year old, therefore, you are more annoying than both combined.

 

[JayQC]

It's the denial that apart from toxicity, vaping and smoking pose the same problem to bystanders that leads me to wonder just how conscious vapers really are about their hobby.

"Your smoke is bothering me, could you please move downwind or go a little further?"

"It's not smoke it's vapor. Do your research."

This attitude is a problem to the community.

 

[DetraMental]

^^^on the PS. portion. It was totally taken out of concept and the argument made no sense. Pure anger is all I read in that rebuttal. I don't like being called a jackass personally, I find it highly annoying and uncalled for. If you can't have a discussion, or start one, without using such name calling then perhaps you shouldn't start the topic until you feel no need to use such juvenile tactics.

 

[e-pipeman]

It's the denial that apart from toxicity, vaping and smoking pose the same problem to bystanders that leads me to wonder just how conscious vapers really are about their hobby.

"Your smoke is bothering me, could you please move downwind or go a little further?"

"It's not smoke it's vapor. Do your research."

This attitude is a problem to the community.

If I ever came across such an attitude I agree it would be a problem - but I never have.

In the three months that you have been on ECF have you personally come across this attitude? Have you met people who do this?

I take issue with the idea that, because people get annoyed, they are right to be annoyed. As long as whoever supervises the area in which you are vaping has said that you can vape there, then you can. If people go to places and start vaping without asking permission from the owner (eg pubs) then they're asking for trouble. It takes seconds to ask for permission to vape, and is well worth doing imho.

The idea that someone has a "right" to object to someone vaping in a neutral area is odd, imho.

 

[skoony]

Nope, both are similarly annoying when you experience them against your will. Smoke gets carried by the wind to you, it smells like ..... Vapor gets carried by the wind to you, it doesn't smell nearly as good as it tastes. Which seems so strange to most people.

I wish I could walk down the street with a fake dong hanging out of my pants and tell people "It's not a real penis, calm down" before the cops show up.

Please, it may look like a .... but it's just med grade silicone, so that's where the similarities end....right?

there is no way when you are out doors that vapor is any where statistically near real cigarette smoke unless your sub ohming directly into some ones face and only slightly more indoors.even though i tend to be discretionary out door use in general should not bother any one with any common sense.indoors accommodations can always be made that are reasonable for all.there is no right not to be annoyed.
harmed yes,annoyed no.99% of the time or more the most annoyed people are no where near you.they have been taught they can
berate with impunity any smoker or look alike smoker and thats the truth.its not about there health,your health or the kids health,
it so they can go neener,neener,neener in your face.

regards
mike

 

[JayQC]

If I ever came across such an attitude I agree it would be a problem - but I never have.

In the three months that you have been on ECF have you personally come across this attitude? Have you met people who do this?

Yeah, I have.

I take issue with the idea that, because people get annoyed, they are right to be annoyed. As long as whoever supervises the area in which you are vaping has said that you can vape there, then you can. If people go to places and start vaping without asking permission from the owner (eg pubs) then they're asking for trouble. It takes seconds to ask for permission to vape, and is well worth doing imho.

The idea that someone has a "right" to object to someone vaping in a neutral area is odd, imho.

Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping.

Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone.

When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape.

I don't "stealth vape". My device is in plain view and I use it in plain view, I don't hide nor will I ever, but I use it in such a way that no one can complain.

 

[e-pipeman]

"Yeah, I have.!"

OK.

"Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping."

It's not the same thing at all. And there is no "right" to "tell" someone this.

"Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone."

Again, noise nuisance is not the same thing.

"When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape."

I'm glad that you're courteous - most vapers are. There are, however, people who object to vaping simply because they have formed an irrational prejudice against the practice. They do not have a "right" to do this.

 

[Equilibrium]

"Yeah, I have.!"

OK.

"Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping."

It's not the same thing at all. And there is no "right" to "tell" someone this.

"Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone."

Again, noise nuisance is not the same thing.

"When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape."

I'm glad that you're courteous - most vapers are. There are, however, people who object to vaping simply because they have formed an irrational prejudice against the practice. They do not have a "right" to do this.

It's sad to say, but... they do have the right to object just like you have the right to ignore their objection as long as you're not in their establishment, employed by them or breaking any laws.

 

[mogium]

I believe it's actually it will become the vapers that feel entitled to vape inside public places that will be our down fall

 

[TomGeorge]

When I vape in public places I make sure they allow it, then I blow my vapor down and if I realize it gets carried over to other people I move downwind from them. If I cannot vape in a public area without bothering other people then I simply don't vape.

.

This is how 99.9% of people on this forum act in public...and no one on here is saying that people shouldn't be respectful so I have no idea what it has to do with your OP

 

[JayQC]

Anyone has a right to tell a smoker that their smoking is bothering them because they don't like the smell. Same for vaping.

It's not the same thing at all. And there is no "right" to "tell" someone this.

It's the denial that apart from toxicity, vaping and smoking pose the same problem to bystanders that leads me to wonder just how conscious vapers really are about their hobby.

Just like someone has a right to ask another person to turn down their music if they are blasting it out of, say, portable speakers hooked up to a smart phone.

Again, noise nuisance is not the same thing.

How is it so different?