Nasty taste from DSE-801

[ZexMarquies01]

Ok, My dad ordered a DSE-801 from e-smokey treats, and it works perfectly fine, except we keep getting this kinda nasty taste from it.

I have cleaned out the atomizer many times, Made sure that the batting isn't burning, creating the nasty taste.

If we take the cart out, and drip onto the atomizer, everything tastes perfectly fine. So we are thinking that either the batting is getting too hot, even though it shows now signs of burning, OR we are thinking that the white plastic part of the cart is getting hot, and that is what is creating the nasty taste....But I tried trimming down the white part of the cart, to make sure it it doesn't come in too much contact with the metal mesh parts of the atomizer, but that didn't work either.

We have tried multiple flavors, and each time we get that nasty taste. At first, when the atomizer is cool, You don't get the nasty taste very much, But after using it for a few min. or so, The nasty taste comes back.

Anyone have any idea's? My dad's getting pretty annoyed at this, so I'm wanting to try to figure out this problem soon.

 

[breakfastchef]

I run into this situation often. I think it is primarily because the atomizer is too dry more than anything else. That is why your Dad has no problems when he drips the atomizer. I never noticed that my cartridge or filler are ever burned, so I ruled that out.

Carts can be a royal PIA, but are very convenient when out and about. Try using tea bag material in the cart. There are a few threads about that on the forums. See if he experiences a reduced amount of burnt taste and if the cart needs to be topped off less often.

 

[ZexMarquies01]

I run into this situation often. I think it is primarily because the atomizer is too dry more than anything else. That is why your Dad has no problems when he drips the atomizer. I never noticed that my cartridge or filler are ever burned, so I ruled that out.

Carts can be a royal PIA, but are very convenient when out and about. Try using tea bag material in the cart. There are a few threads about that on the forums. See if he experiences a reduced amount of burnt taste and if the cart needs to be topped off less often.

Ok, I'll give the teabag/coffee filter material a try. I tried the stuff on my 901's carts, but getting it the right size is a PITA, since no one has posted pics of their successful teabag/coffee filter/paper towel battings.

Though, I did buy some poly-fil from walmart and put that in his cart. Seems to be wicking the e-juice just fine. But I'll mess around a bit more and see what I can figure out.

 

[Silver]

I too have this problem sometimes on both 801 and MiniPipe atomizers, seems to be something that has become more prevalent the last couple of months, no idea why . I also think that the atomizer is running too dry, despite using a fresh, full cart. It seems strange to me that this should happen and can't really explain it.

I thought this thread might also be of some use to you. I know this method was originally done with Joye510 carts, but I understand it works for 801's as well. Haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet, but plan to as it would be great if it worked !

Good luck and please do let us know how you get on with this issue ?

Cheers,
Silver

 

[breakfastchef]

I too have this problem sometimes on both 801 and MiniPipe atomizers, seems to be something that has become more prevalent the last couple of months, no idea why . I also think that the atomizer is running too dry, despite using a fresh, full cart. It seems strange to me that this should happen and can't really explain it.

It may be that as the atomizer heating coil so gets 'gunked up' with liquids of vaping past, that it becomes more and more difficult for it to properly soak up (or wick) smoking fluid as it did when new. There are several photos in various threads of some pretty bad looking.

 

[ZexMarquies01]

I too have this problem sometimes on both 801 and MiniPipe atomizers, seems to be something that has become more prevalent the last couple of months, no idea why . I also think that the atomizer is running too dry, despite using a fresh, full cart. It seems strange to me that this should happen and can't really explain it.

I thought this thread might also be of some use to you. I know this method was originally done with Joye510 carts, but I understand it works for 801's as well. Haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet, but plan to as it would be great if it worked !

Good luck and please do let us know how you get on with this issue ?

Cheers,
Silver

Ooooh yeah, I forgot all about that thread, even though I have read it before. I'll try both methods ( the teabag/coffee filter material, and the straw mod ) and see if either fix the problem

 

[ZexMarquies01]

It may be that as the atomizer heating coil so gets 'gunked up' with liquids of vaping past, that it becomes more and more difficult for it to properly soak up (or wick) smoking fluid as it did when new. There are several photos in various threads of some pretty bad looking.

Yeah, but he's only had his e-cig for about a day and a half now. And he's mainly been using 2 flavors, and been keeping each flavor in a separate cart. Each cart hasn't had enough time to get majorly gunked up. At least, I've never heard of e-smokey treats liquid gunking up an atomizer. And even if they did...In only a day and a half?

Also, He's had this taste since he first used it. I cleaned out the atomizers to make 100% sure that the atomizers didn't still have any of the primer stuff in them. But even after that, He's still getting the taste.

So I'm thinking that either the batting in the carts is getting too hot, and giving a funky taste, or the atomizer is getting too dry.

Also, If the Atomizer starts to get a bit dry...Wouldn't you notice a drop off in vapor production? Because his never showed signs of the atty being low on liquid. pretty much full vapor with each hit.

 

[breakfastchef]

I top off a cartridge or drip every 5-8 draws. When I get a burnt taste, the atomizer is nearly dry.

This is a full-contact, hands-on habit that is not for everyone. It takes time to figure what what works best for you. I am sure there are many folks who tried e-cigs and gave them up because of all the things no one tells you about when you are buying them.

 

[djxt]

Ain't that the truth! I finally figured the perfect way to keep 901 going strong. Took a month. Glad I didnt give up! I love it...

 

[breakfastchef]

I finally figured the perfect way to keep 901 going strong. Took a month.

Now don't do that to the nice forum members. Tell us what you learned!!

 

[luvmyvapor]

I had a couple of experiences with bad tasting atomizers.
The first - chemical taste - found out the atomizer was not wicking the juice down properly - cleaned everything - pulled out some of the cart batting - it's better but I retired that atomizer as a spare as it still is not right.
The second - a new EM901 - very bad taste - had to clean the atomizer and the cart and start fresh.

The other thing I found out is that if the cartridge batting is too thick on most any of my models, the liquid won't wick down properly and the atomizer is running kind of dry, hence the bad taste. Also, I think it is how you actually draw on the e-cig that determines how much e-liquid is drawn into the atomizer. If you experiment with different draws or a primer puff, that may help determine how to get that liquid where it belongs.

 

[ZexMarquies01]

Just got back from my dad's house ( me and him went and saw Star Trek. Awesome movie! )

I couldn't get the coffee filter trick to work. I just suck at getting it rolled right. So I said screw it, and went with the straw method.

I grabbed a straw from an old Air Duster can, cut both ends at an angle, Made sure that the straw sat a little bit lower than the batting ( that is, the top of the straw is lower than the top of the batting ).

It works much better now. My dad likes it a whole lot more since I did that. The burned taste is pretty much gone, and the draw got a little bit easier too.

I told him to pick up some coffee stirring straws the next time he stops at McDonalds, or the gas station.

 

[Wally]

I've been using the 801 and Janty Kissbox for several months and finally found what works for me. I always use carts. The 801 likes to be very wet and you have to keep it that way. All of the following ideas work, I don't use them all.
1. A few drips on the atomizer before inserting the cart. Dry mesh on the coil will not draw fluid from the cart.
2. Top off even a new cart before putting it in.
3. Top off the cart after every 15-30 mintues of continuous vaping.
4. Use the straw. This tube should be factory moulded into new carts!
5. Use the vent hole procedure at the base of the cart (there's a post on this). This is the same as the straw idea, but not as elegant because it can seep fluid.
6. Remove a bit of the material from the cart, which is sometimes overstuffed. The Janty brand 801 carts are often too full. The best 801 carts I've used are from Ben at VaporNine.
7. When I'm out of the house, I just use a lot of fresh new carts and toss the old ones. This is the most expensive, but the easiest and most satisfactory solution. I leave the house with only VaporNine carts.
8. Blow out the atomizers at night and leave them upright to drain (mouthpiece end up).
9. Use other materials for cart stuffing. Teabag papers, roll your own cigarette filters, cotton pads, cotton hankerchief material and medical gauze (rayon) all work well in my experience.

 

[Silver]

It may be that as the atomizer heating coil so gets 'gunked up' with liquids of vaping past, that it becomes more and more difficult for it to properly soak up (or wick) smoking fluid as it did when new. There are several photos in various threads of some pretty bad looking.

As with ZexMarquies01's Dad, in my case these were/are also all new atomizers that I am having this issue with. I find it interesting because I never used to have this problem before, it started around the last quarter of 2008 and I experienced it with 801 atomizers from various suppliers. It makes me wonder whether changes were made to atomizers accross the board (pehaps to provide more of a throat hit ?? Much covetted by some, but unfortunately I'm not one of them ) ?

I top off a cartridge or drip every 5-8 draws. When I get a burnt taste, the atomizer is nearly dry.

This is a full-contact, hands-on habit that is not for everyone. It takes time to figure what what works best for you. I am sure there are many folks who tried e-cigs and gave them up because of all the things no one tells you about when you are buying them.

I have been using various 801 devices since February of 2008, so I guess you could say I've been around the block some with these . I never needed to 'top off' cartridges before, it seems to be a more recent thing and I just find it a bit strange and a great pity.

The other thing I found out is that if the cartridge batting is too thick on most any of my models, the liquid won't wick down properly and the atomizer is running kind of dry, hence the bad taste.

I agree with you luvmyvapor, I have also found that many carts are simply overstuffed and don't wick very well at all. This definitely doesn't help the problem either.

I guess I should take my own advice and experiment with the straw method. Now to find a straw-like object that is thin enough...

Cheers,
Silver

 

[gnsmith]

I have also found that some juices are to thick and will not flow through the wicking. After thinning the juices with Tequila (what can I say some people like vodka, I love tequila) juice started to flow, bad taste was gone. The trick is finding the right viscosity for your juice, especially DYI juice. If you cut your juices, you still need to add a few drops of a thinning agent.

 

[andthenjaredsaid]

I too have this problem sometimes on both 801 and MiniPipe atomizers, seems to be something that has become more prevalent the last couple of months, no idea why . I also think that the atomizer is running too dry, despite using a fresh, full cart. It seems strange to me that this should happen and can't really explain it.

I thought this thread might also be of some use to you. I know this method was originally done with Joye510 carts, but I understand it works for 801's as well. Haven't had a chance to try it out myself yet, but plan to as it would be great if it worked !

Good luck and please do let us know how you get on with this issue ?

Cheers,
Silver

Just got my 801 yesterday, and noticed the burnt taste when the primer taste wore off. I was extremely disappointed to the point that I wasn't using the 801 as much as i did my pipe, but I tried the straw method Silver mentioned, and it fixed it! no more burnt, acrid taste! yay! and btw, Holy crap does this cart take a lot of liquid now. AMAZING vapor. I mixed e-smokeytreats menthol and chocolate, and it tastes great, except now it produces so much vapor the menthol almost makes me sneeze!