Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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Well, ok! I appreciate it, guys. I did wonder about Wrangler Light also, so thanks for clearing that up!
Ands thanks as well about the fire/flue cured; it sounds like I ought to look into some of these that are fire-cured, especially since I'm looking for something a) not sweet, and b) somewhat similar to the taste I'm used to.
I'm seeing, in this search, a lot of mention of the different varietals, which frankly I didn't even know existed - Burley, Latakia, etc -- I gather that both of those are types of "Virginia" tobaccos, but as a smoker of something as generic as cigarettes, I suppose I'm going to have to wait until I can free up some of my budget from cigarettes, before I can afford to find out what the different varietals are really about.
The budget-freeing aspect of this is my 2nd big reason for wanting to do it -- for the $5.50 I spend on a pk that will last 1-2 days, I can get a 5-10 mL bottle of eJuice that may last 2-4 wks -- really can't beat that.
Thx,
Andria
Cigarettes typically use a blend of different tobacco's to end up with a smooth consistent flavor which typically doesn't taste like the individual tobacco's themselves. Varietals are single type tobacco's... Virginia is one, as is Burley, Turkish, Perique, Latakia and others.
Picking just a couple for example... I find burley's a bit on the bass to mid-bass flavor some may call it darker. Where a Virginia tobacco is brighter more of a mid to treble toned flavor. Of the American cigarrette's I've tried... most are real middle of the road, not dark ( bassy ) nor very light ( trebly ) in flavor ( I'm not speaking about strength but the actual flavor whether it's a light or full flavor is another attribute ). So when using Big Spirit as an example of a starting juice.. it's pretty close to the middle of the road American style flavor, by my adding a little of the Burley to it... I darken that flavor a little more making it a richer vape. If I were looking for something brighter, I'd add a little Virginia to it... a little funkier, perhaps some Perique.
Pipe tobacco's may have a blend of tobacco's but of the one's I tried... you can still pick out the various tobacco's to some degree unlike a cigarette which everything blends together. Pipe tobacco's also carry blends of the above mentioned tobacco's... but two of them.. Perique and Latakia are pretty distinct flavors that are usually used to enhance them. Those two are also typically acquired flavors and not one's I'd suggest right at first. Personally, I really like Perique but I can't seem to develop a taste for Latakia... and like everything else, everyone has different preferences so don't take my own into to much account... you'll find out what yours are as you go along.
Picking just a couple for example... I find burley's a bit on the bass to mid-bass flavor some may call it darker. Where a Virginia tobacco is brighter more of a mid to treble toned flavor. Of the American cigarrette's I've tried... most are real middle of the road, not dark ( bassy ) nor very light ( trebly ) in flavor ( I'm not speaking about strength but the actual flavor whether it's a light or full flavor is another attribute ). So when using Big Spirit as an example of a starting juice.. it's pretty close to the middle of the road American style flavor, by my adding a little of the Burley to it... I darken that flavor a little more making it a richer vape. If I were looking for something brighter, I'd add a little Virginia to it... a little funkier, perhaps some Perique.
Pipe tobacco's may have a blend of tobacco's but of the one's I tried... you can still pick out the various tobacco's to some degree unlike a cigarette which everything blends together. Pipe tobacco's also carry blends of the above mentioned tobacco's... but two of them.. Perique and Latakia are pretty distinct flavors that are usually used to enhance them. Those two are also typically acquired flavors and not one's I'd suggest right at first. Personally, I really like Perique but I can't seem to develop a taste for Latakia... and like everything else, everyone has different preferences so don't take my own into to much account... you'll find out what yours are as you go along.
Ok, also very useful info! Thx very much for the info about varietals!
Hey, I got my order today, the first two eJuices I ordered. I'm pretty pleased with both of them. The "Dirty Ashtray" isn't anything of the sort; it does have quite a smoky taste/smell, which I really like, and a really good throat hit. It's a bit sweeter than I had expected; a tinge of maple, seems to be the main sweetness. I think I can definitely get used to it. The other one, called "N7115," is also pretty good; they described it as "strong tobacco with a light taste of cigar." I've never smoked an actual cigar, so I couldn't tell you, but it does have quite a sharp note, which I like a lot; it's somewhat reminiscent of the VA Slims taste; it's somewhat less sweet than Dirty Ashtray, though the *trace* of sweetness there is more like a graham-crackery kind of taste. The throat hit is definitely there, but a bit softer than the Dirty Ashtray.
I can't believe that they named this such a disgusting-sounding name. It's really very good, for those of us whose palates are still oriented to cigarettes more than eCigs. And especially for anyone smoking cigs that I always found sweet, such as Marlboro, this is definitely something a Marlboro smoker or former smoker would enjoy. If you've been off cigs for a while, though, you probably *would* find it as disgusting as the name implies.
Maybe if I mix these, I can get the smokiness and throat hit of Ashtray, with the sharp bite of N7115. And I think I'll definitely start looking at more cigar flavors, the ones that DON'T mix in candy or fruit flavors -- any suggestions?
FYI, I do realize that neither of these is actually a N.E.T. type flavor, but I started paying attention to this thread because of the mention of tobacco absolute/extract, and also the WTA, which it might turn out that I need -- I've tried twice to quit with the patch, and had zero success either time, which is why I'm trying eCigs -- they seem like a better shot for me to be able to give up cigs, than anything I've seen or tried so far, and the absolute/extract or WTA type juices, even moreso.
Thx!
Andria
Hey, I got my order today, the first two eJuices I ordered. I'm pretty pleased with both of them. The "Dirty Ashtray" isn't anything of the sort; it does have quite a smoky taste/smell, which I really like, and a really good throat hit. It's a bit sweeter than I had expected; a tinge of maple, seems to be the main sweetness. I think I can definitely get used to it. The other one, called "N7115," is also pretty good; they described it as "strong tobacco with a light taste of cigar." I've never smoked an actual cigar, so I couldn't tell you, but it does have quite a sharp note, which I like a lot; it's somewhat reminiscent of the VA Slims taste; it's somewhat less sweet than Dirty Ashtray, though the *trace* of sweetness there is more like a graham-crackery kind of taste. The throat hit is definitely there, but a bit softer than the Dirty Ashtray.
I can't believe that they named this such a disgusting-sounding name. It's really very good, for those of us whose palates are still oriented to cigarettes more than eCigs. And especially for anyone smoking cigs that I always found sweet, such as Marlboro, this is definitely something a Marlboro smoker or former smoker would enjoy. If you've been off cigs for a while, though, you probably *would* find it as disgusting as the name implies.
Maybe if I mix these, I can get the smokiness and throat hit of Ashtray, with the sharp bite of N7115. And I think I'll definitely start looking at more cigar flavors, the ones that DON'T mix in candy or fruit flavors -- any suggestions?
FYI, I do realize that neither of these is actually a N.E.T. type flavor, but I started paying attention to this thread because of the mention of tobacco absolute/extract, and also the WTA, which it might turn out that I need -- I've tried twice to quit with the patch, and had zero success either time, which is why I'm trying eCigs -- they seem like a better shot for me to be able to give up cigs, than anything I've seen or tried so far, and the absolute/extract or WTA type juices, even moreso.
Thx!
Andria
I polished the 4-6 month steeped Smooth Criminal Mann sent to me today...and dipped into my 2 month old stash.
I had to dig through the cellar to find my newer SC...and while in there ran across the half bottle of Bobas I haven't touched since SC came into my life.
I gotta say...if forced at gunpoint to pick my Desert Island Vape I think it would be Smooth Criminal. There, I said it. Chimone!
I had to dig through the cellar to find my newer SC...and while in there ran across the half bottle of Bobas I haven't touched since SC came into my life.
I gotta say...if forced at gunpoint to pick my Desert Island Vape I think it would be Smooth Criminal. There, I said it. Chimone!
River Bottom's Poet & Scholar is extracted from an aged Dominican/Cuban honey flavored cigar. I'm not a big honey tobacco guy, I've had some pretty terrible ones and the ones I've liked still had an odd honey flavor. For non-fruit flavored tobaccos I lean towards vanilla and caramel, not so much with honey and maple (though Maple Burley from Ahl is awesome). I'm also not huge into cigar vapes, other than ACID extractions most others seemed dull to me compared to pipe.
So going into P&S I wasn't expecting much from a honey cigar vape, but this is very good. This is the first honey I've had that actually tastes like real honey to me. No funky fermentation or urine feel, just natural honey. The tobacco is kind of spicy and very pleasant. It's a unique and darn tasty NET. It's sweet, not too sweet, but the honey does dominate more than I prefer. Since it's a really good honey that's ok, but I'm hoping with age the tobacco comes forward more.
With this one and Brown Bomber in my current rotation, I have two really solid cigar NETs that can hold their own alongside pipe NETs. Brown Bomber I like better, but P&S isn't far behind.
So going into P&S I wasn't expecting much from a honey cigar vape, but this is very good. This is the first honey I've had that actually tastes like real honey to me. No funky fermentation or urine feel, just natural honey. The tobacco is kind of spicy and very pleasant. It's a unique and darn tasty NET. It's sweet, not too sweet, but the honey does dominate more than I prefer. Since it's a really good honey that's ok, but I'm hoping with age the tobacco comes forward more.
With this one and Brown Bomber in my current rotation, I have two really solid cigar NETs that can hold their own alongside pipe NETs. Brown Bomber I like better, but P&S isn't far behind.
It's a line sold at VapingWatch called River Bottom Fog sauce of mainly NETs. The guy who makes them started out diy and VW offered to sell them. As far as I know it's just one guy who makes the juice and it's bottled and sold by VW.
I really hope I don't have to learn the dewie-decimal system to categorize my juice by vendor, date, age, drawer location and exposure to sunlight, to experince the 'best of' when I send it up the chimney.
I got a lot of juice, for me, tho' nothing like some here I bet. Except for a couple of dupes, FVFRY4 and Tribeca, I lift one of the 30+ bottles, read the label and think 'naw, not now' or 'yeah, let's vape this again'
Dittos, but with PEACHES! ! Peachy Criminal is fantastic! no gun required
River Bottom's Fabulous & Burley I had commented on already when Mann sent me some to try. This fresher batch tastes pretty close to how I remember what Mann sent, but the vanilla seems more creamy.
F&B is made from a vanilla infused Burley tobacco. The vanilla and tobacco side are both very soft, mellow, and pleasant. Reminds me of VR's Kentucky Vanilla Blend. The tobacco seems basic, cigarette-like, and fairly mild. There's none of familiar wet-dog that comes from soaks. The vanilla tastes really good, and is how I like vanilla, creamy and soft.
Instead of having notable, stand out qualities like St. James and P&S, this is just a solid and tasty vanilla tobacco. No bite, zing, or zest; just pleasant and easy-going. I love vanilla tobaccos, and a tasty one like this I grab for often. While it's a solid addition to the van-bacco category, there's not much here that has me wanting to run out and say "try this!". It does have an everyman flavor that I think would appeal to many. It's the Tom Hanks of the line, not too exciting, but likable and reliably good.
F&B is made from a vanilla infused Burley tobacco. The vanilla and tobacco side are both very soft, mellow, and pleasant. Reminds me of VR's Kentucky Vanilla Blend. The tobacco seems basic, cigarette-like, and fairly mild. There's none of familiar wet-dog that comes from soaks. The vanilla tastes really good, and is how I like vanilla, creamy and soft.
Instead of having notable, stand out qualities like St. James and P&S, this is just a solid and tasty vanilla tobacco. No bite, zing, or zest; just pleasant and easy-going. I love vanilla tobaccos, and a tasty one like this I grab for often. While it's a solid addition to the van-bacco category, there's not much here that has me wanting to run out and say "try this!". It does have an everyman flavor that I think would appeal to many. It's the Tom Hanks of the line, not too exciting, but likable and reliably good.
Yep, but apparently those are not what was part of the final cut. So either the liquids have been further developed or reformulated. Either which way, I'll be checking soon.
I'm not sure if any of the tobaccos used were changed or if the methods and processes were changed. I did have some bad gunking issues with the ones Cherry sent Mann which I'm thankfully not getting with the new ones.
In that video Cherry, Brian mentions using four different extraction processes for the line, something like that anyways. I wonder what that means, cold vs hot extraction, different base for the soaks or what. I wonder if he's incorporating some non-soak methods.
In that video Cherry, Brian mentions using four different extraction processes for the line, something like that anyways. I wonder what that means, cold vs hot extraction, different base for the soaks or what. I wonder if he's incorporating some non-soak methods.
I don't know. If they're not gunking much, he may be filtering in some new way. Do you taste a very mild anise in Porch Rocker?
Yeah. Chances are they're all macerations, but there's not much in the flavor of the 3 I've had so far that screams soak to me. F&B plays tastes like steam distilled. St. James probably a soak, but it's surprisingly light in color and easy on coils for such a potent, real tobacco. S&P was harder to read, but the spiciness that showed is something I've had in cigars but not from cigar macerations.
That not saying anything definate though. I've had macerated NETs that didn't seem like soaks from MOV and W2V. Even Balkan from NETcom and Fire Cured from GeJ could pass as something else if I didn't know for sure they were soaks.
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