Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

Hey guys,

Did you ever end up finding out who the new NET vendor was that Dspin said would rival every NET vendor with 'coil gunking' NETs?

Not keen on trawling through all the posts from mid April until now.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hey guys,

Did you ever end up finding out who the new NET vendor was that Dspin said would rival every NET vendor with 'coil gunking' NETs?

Not keen on trawling through all the posts from mid April until now.

Walker tobacco Alternatives. Interesting to see what that would be as an acronym, so I will just not abbreviate it.

 

[regal55]

Good morning NETizens (or it will be morning by the time you see this)! Here's my first River Bottom Fog Sauce review. I was pretty impressed by these juices, especially St. James Parish. Fabulous and Burley is really good too, but I prefer Vurley and Vita Bella a bit more. I didn't enjoy Poet & Scholar out of the mail, but after some steeping, it became a juice that I liked a lot (though probably not as much as Jerms).

I must have ordered this with too much VG, I just can't get a strong hit off this St. Parish fog sauce.

On the other hand my bottle of "My Hero" from myvapejuice.com hasn't been shelved since I received it. Amazing how good this stuff is, doesn't clog up coils, burns smooth and fast and has a terrific cigarette style tobacco flavor.

 

[Dusty_D]

I must have ordered this with too much VG, I just can't get a strong hit off this St. Parish fog sauce.

On the other hand my bottle of "My Hero" from myvapejuice.com hasn't been shelved since I received it. Amazing how good this stuff is, doesn't clog up coils, burns smooth and fast and has a terrific cigarette style tobacco flavor.

What setup are you using the St. Parish with, regal? You can't order specific PG/VG options with RBFS. They are fixed with their ratio.

 

[regal55]

What setup are you using the St. Parish with, regal? You can't order specific PG/VG options with RBFS. They are fixed with their ratio.

Nautilus on an SVD, tried up to 12 watts, puny steam.

 

[Dusty_D]

Nautilus on an SVD, tried up to 12 watts, puny steam.

Are you sure it is wicking well on the Nautilus? Any flavour issues?

 

[shatner]

I feel the exact way. In the interview Raymond did with them you could tell they know F all about tobacco. And it shows very much in the juice. I vaped ~5ml of each juice they offered and threw the rest in the trash. No regrets. I did keep Portola around because I LOVE vanilla tobaccos. Wow! I like a splash of vanilla in my NET, like RBFS' F&B and QnJ's God'z'nilla. Not a splash of NET in a sea of overly sweet vanilla and who knows what other overly sweet flavors. But I could only take 2 or 3 vapes of it at a time (more like daily). It' was just f'ing nasty. And that's not an adjective I use if I can help it. Cloying isn't even scratching the surface of how sickly sweet all Trabuco liquids are. Not to mention the tobacco was incredibly lost in the muddled mess. Trabuco tastes nothing like any tobacco I've had. Ever! I've been a cigar, pipe and cigarette smoker; I've been around the block.

Trabuco: You need to do an ishton more research on tobaccos. If this is Southern California's take on NET, they can continue their boring fruit vapes.

The same goes for Nirvana's new NET line. Blech!!!

Now Ethervapes.com on the other hand? That holds great promise.

Pardon me for my rampage last night. However, I do feel very strongly that Trubaco completely missed the mark. Hell, they overshot the moon and missed Mars.

I know what I've said is really harsh, but I feel like in this case it's warranted. This juice was touted, by the makers, to be the 'end all, be all' of NET. That couldn't be further from the truth, imo. I don't pour e-luiquid down the drain often. In fact, I've only done it with Mt. Baker. Well, before Trabuco, that is. I hated to do it, but I had to.

/rant

 

[Dusty_D]

Nearing the end of my first tank of Centurion from MVJ, I noticed a slight change in flavour on the occasional hit. Instead of topping up the tank, I decided to open her up and take a look at what 4 ml of Centurion had done to my wick/coil.

Here it is..

I'd put this down as a moderate gunker based on this initial test, but will keep testing further to rule out any discrepancies on my part.

I'm loading up the second tank in a different KFL with a fresh wick. Staying at 9W.

 

[shatner]

Yeah...

To clarify, I wasn't even really basing my analysis on Ray's interview. One of the owners I met with had NO IDEA who any of the main NET vendors out there were and no idea about ECF or any other online markets. I think that is just ridiculously short sided. If it were me I'd sample juice from ALL the competition, or at least the heavyweights. These guys don;t even know who they are. However, to be fair, that wasn't their original goal, by plan as much as by ignorance. For flavor they were seeking something that tasted like the room note of a tobacco shop. Their preferred delivery method was dripping. Their performance goal were clouds. Their original sales method...door to door sales to B&M's.

It will be interesting to see if their business develops and how it does so. If they are doing conventions and the like they will have a whole world opened to them. I personally hope they make it. If they did some kind of "raw tobacco" line it could be good. I recognize that La Cosa NETstra is a relatively very small (but growing, thanks to many of us) group. I herald NET's from the cyber rooftops and have won many converts with PIF's. Still, I think there has to be a market segment, and potentially a vast one, between La Cosa NETstra and the dude vaping gummy bear from his provari. If Gummy Bear Pete never had or wouldn't like something like London, he might really dig a Trabuco juice. With some refinement the juice could find and exploit a real niche in the field. I am just not sure from a business perspective these guys are doing the groundwork necessary to get there.

I suppose you're correct in that it'll fill a non-CosaNETstra NET fan niche. But for us, the CosaNETstra, pure unadulterated tobacco seems to be the preferred sauce, minus dashes of vanilla, caramel, maple, whatever's in Smooth Criminal. It's just Trabuco really downplayed the tobacco in favor of sweet notes. Cloying to me, personally. But I'm sure the person whom vapes the ultra sweet, rot your teeth juice will like Trabuco.

I think it's a great idea you pose for them to release a single varietal line or a straight NET, no added bs tobacco blend. Not necessarily English Pipe blends, etc. But blends they come up with. I'm not holding my breath on the latter due to their ignorance of tobacco (not saying ignorance in derogatory way- hold your horses!).

I hope the Trubaco guys do their due diligence and educate themselves on tobacco. It would really help their business.

 

[shatner]

Lol, looks like Trubaco is working it's way toward earning Z Tier status based on general consensus here. I've only had a few ml of a few graciously sent to me by Fire, but I'd support giving them a Z, even though I really enjoyed one. Like others have pointed out, they just don't represent tobacco like a natural tobacco juice should. Original can be good, but for most here it's not looking to be a positive originality. I liked Blackstar even though it wasn't much like a NET, but based on my second reaction to Capistrano I'm not sure how well a bigger bottle would play out for me.

I was thinking maybe a C tier would be better, since a couple here do like them (or one of them), but the negative reactions are just so strong it's looking more like a Z to me. My guess is if it was brought up to vote for Z status the yays would have it (with maybe Fire and Mann whispering 'nay' under the commotion lol).

Don't get me wrong. If it weren't so dang sweet it'd be ok juice. I think! Maybe even the tobacco would show up to the party. As it is now, I'd hardly call it a tobacco vape.

 

[RPadTV]

It's been fun reading the comments about Trabuco. I have similar feelings, though probably not as strong. Trabuco and True Leaf Vapor seem to be more focused on retail and, specifically, Southern California shops. In that context, these juices are some of the few NETs you can find. So a customer coming from the numerous mediocre artibaccos available will probably jump for joy after vaping these juices. Aside from one shop that stocks MoV, I can't think of another SoCal store with better NET choices. With that in mind, I appreciate that these companies are exposing SoCal vapers to the world of NETs.

As all NETizens know, Trabuco and True Leaf Vapor aren't competitive in the online world. There are a number of choices that are cheaper AND better.

So I'm a little torn about these guys. I love what they're doing and will support them, personally. When it comes review time, I have to point out that there are much better NET choices online.

 

[XfooYen]

I had put my Ragtime Honky Tonk away (got it on May 10th so not a month yet), and just brought it out, it has changed some since before when I was kinda unimpressed with the mildness of it. It's described as "A bounty hunter’s hideaway, HONKY TONK is an enigmatic blend of creamy tobacco, toasted nuts, dried fruit, graham muffin, and a hint of banana." flavors

It's fun to compare impressions-first I get banana, some other fruit (apricot?), graham cracker, mild tobacco and a little nuttiness. It's fairly mild, nice, I'll be curious to see what happens later

Wow. I completely missed that italicized description above what I read as the description. I can be blind, very blind sometimes! Yep, that's about it too. Sweet. I am almost happy I hadn't read that. LOL

I thought I smelled banana, but I didn't taste it. I think that was the "sweet cream" I was pulling out of it.

Hi, folks. I was reading the thread and was tickled by your search for the description of the Ragtime juices. Tickled only because the full descriptions are printed directly on the bottle just as it reads on the website. Oh, and to add on Honky Tonk, it does become a bit drier and bacco forward as time goes on. It will always be light, however. Never will it be a hit-you-in-the-face tobacco experience. It is a bit of a shape shifter, which is what I like about it. Sometimes it's a dessert. Sometimes it's a trail mix bar. Other times it's a tobacco filtered through a bowl of dates. I'm not a NETter much these days but for a primarily TINO vape, HT satifies several of my flavor cravings. OK. As you were, group.

 

[RPadTV]

Funnily enough, I just finished a bottle of Ragtime Vapor Honky Tonk and am currently trying to finish a bottle of Boba's Bounty. In my book, Honky Tonk trounces Boba's.

 

[Big Juicy]

Oh, I discovered this a minute ago: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/goodejuice/569982-new-net.html

Goodejuice.

I know there will be plenty of takers, even though many DIY.

The Godfather: The Godfather CIGAR eLiquid [GDFTHRCGRLIQ] - $5.99 :

Damn. And I just ordered from them a couple weeks ago, so I am out.

Marketing says a lot to me and influences my view of the product. The picture of Capone offends me. Lazy and ill advised choice. That guy was a murderous scumbag with few, if any, redeemable qualities...and this is coming from an Italian. No thanks.

I am nonetheless very curious to see someone review this!

 

[Big Juicy]

SInce RBFS came up last night...

I am about done with my bottle of PDST...by done I mean done trying to make it work. I tried it new, at 1 month, at 2 months, and at almost 3 months. I BDC'd it and I dripped it. I am getting almost no flavor at all. It vapes well, but it falls beneath the clean essence vibe of Fab & Burley into the range of being bland. It is to the point now where loading it up for yet another attempt to GET it is pissing me off. Not sure if I got a bottle that was off, if my palate is torched, or if you guys are insane. Probably NONE of those, so I don't know. All I do know is that for almost 3 months now I have gotten almost no flavor at all from it.

 

[Dustmight]

It's been fun reading the comments about Trabuco. I have similar feelings, though probably not as strong. Trabuco and True Leaf Vapor seem to be more focused on retail and, specifically, Southern California shops. In that context, these juices are some of the few NETs you can find. So a customer coming from the numerous mediocre artibaccos available will probably jump for joy after vaping these juices. Aside from one shop that stocks MoV, I can't think of another SoCal store with better NET choices. With that in mind, I appreciate that these companies are exposing SoCal vapers to the world of NETs.

As all NETizens know, Trabuco and True Leaf Vapor aren't competitive in the online world. There are a number of choices that are cheaper AND better.

So I'm a little torn about these guys. I love what they're doing and will support them, personally. When it comes review time, I have to point out that there are much better NET choices online.

Very good points Ray. Understanding a bit more about what this company is trying to achieve and within the market they are pointed to explains much about the genesis of the product. We're a tough group here when it comes to the true flavor of tobacco, so it's not surprising that the Trabuco line isn't well received. I too was a bit shocked with my first taste of their wares. My biggest gripe with them is the whole brand image focusing on tobacco. I feel like they should market these with less emphasis on the tobacco component, which is honestly a fraction of the flavor experience. Something to the effect of "x,y,z flavor with an infusion of NET virginia & whiskey" might be more attractive to the SoCal crowd and a warning to the rest of us NET zealots.

Lastly, just to address the "these guys don't know tobacco" comments that have been floating around lately, I don't think it's fair to assume anything about their knowledge on the basis of these products. For all we know, their extractions could be ace, we just aren't really getting the opportunity to taste them in these mixtures. Considering very few of us have talked to these guys in depth, and that fact that we're all armchair aficionados on the subject for the most part, it's in very poor taste to trash talk. Even though I don't care for these liquids, I love the idea and I wish them the best in a very tough market to please.

 

[Mr.Mann]

X, OMG, I had no idea that the words on the left of the company name was the description of the liquid. As I said recently, I can be VERY blind! Wow. Talking about embarrassing! LOL

 

[checkum]

I'm still wanting a jelly doughnut after Dust's post last night.

funny, but I was in the mood for the same thing! "power of suggestion!"

 

[Big Juicy]

funny, but I was in the mood for the same thing! "power of suggestion!"

The only thing I have in the cellar even near this description is RBFS HOUND DOG. Please don;t make me dip back into that again. I just got off banana cream pie a week ago.

I wish I was joking

 

[boomerdude]

Dude, check your PM's. Your request is ready.

Nautilus on an SVD, tried up to 12 watts, puny steam.