Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Big Juicy]

vaping Bill's Louisiana Red. This is a really well balanced tobacco. Virginia's are right up front with a light tongue pucker of Perique out back. Not as sweet as I expected from Red Virginia's. This is at 20% extract and seems just right for me. I'm keeping it cool at 8 watts on a 1.5 ohm coil in a 3D. Squonk, squonk.

It has a body and a spice component that most do not associate with Virginia and the Perique rounds out and adds depth, without stepping on any toes. I really, REALLY liked this one. Johnni's juices are turning out to be VERy high quality, and could get in the ring with most anything out there IMHO

To clarify I believe my LA Red is from johnni? You?

 

[Dusty_D]

Not to worry. I felt the same vaping it. Others have different taste, so I kept it in the lineup. One more negative and of it goes. The Obsidian is good, really good.

How's Obsidian compare to Mississippi River? I found River a bit too strong for my taste.. The Balkan/English/Perique just messed with my head and tastebuds last night.

 

[MikeNice81]

I'm really learning the importance of JDS and taste. You would think I understand it by now. I've went from cartos on 808s, to an SM30 on an Evod battery, then an Evod 2 on an Evod battery, now I've got an MVP 2.0 and a couple of Kanger tanks. However, I keep forgetting that the battery/mod and it's connections can make a difference.

I have an Evod 2 filled with Dunhill Early Morning from MVJ. On the Evod battery there is really no definitive taste to the juice. All of the tobaccos kind of blend together an there is a general airy sweetness in the middle of the mix. I took the same tank and juice combo over to the MVP 2.0. Set to 3.7 volts the MVP 2.0 brings out more of the Lat and Oriental tobacco. The overall flavor is darker and less airy on the MVP 2.0.

So, I searched for a reason why that could be. The only thing I notice that could make the difference is, the MVP's ego connection has two or three more threads than the Evod. Also the battery connector on the MVP is flat where as the Evod's has a divot that allows more air to enter the center pin of the tank's coil. So, the combination of less threading to block/slow airflow, plus more air coming in to the coils changes the nature of the vape. A secondary difference is that the MVP seems to produce less vapor.

How is that on topic? Remember that the tobacco flavor one reviewer gets may be completely different than what you experience. Also remember that simply switching from one mod or battery to another may change how you perceive the juice. So, on't discount something too fast if you have options.

 

[regal55]

I'm really learning the importance of JDS and taste. You would think I understand it by now. I've went from cartos on 808s, to an SM30 on an Evod battery, then an Evod 2 on an Evod battery, now I've got an MVP 2.0 and a couple of Kanger tanks. However, I keep forgetting that the battery/mod and it's connections can make a difference.

I have an Evod 2 filled with Dunhill Early Morning from MVJ. On the Evod battery there is really no definitive taste to the juice. All of the tobaccos kind of blend together an there is a general airy sweetness in the middle of the mix. I took the same tank and juice combo over to the MVP 2.0. Set to 3.7 volts the MVP 2.0 brings out more of the Lat and Oriental tobacco. The overall flavor is darker and less airy on the MVP 2.0.

So, I searched for a reason why that could be. The only thing I notice that could make the difference is, the MVP's ego connection has two or three more threads than the Evod. Also the battery connector on the MVP is flat where as the Evod's has a divot that allows more air to enter the center pin of the tank's coil. So, the combination of less threading to block/slow airflow, plus more air coming in to the coils changes the nature of the vape. A secondary difference is that the MVP seems to produce less vapor.

How is that on topic? Remember that the tobacco flavor one reviewer gets may be completely different than what you experience. Also remember that simply switching from one mod or battery to another may change how you perceive the juice. So, on't discount something too fast if you have options.

Owning an SVD & VTR which show wattage makes it more intuitive to evaluate this effect (don't have to do math in your head as you are enjoying the vape.) There is difinately a change in flavors at different wattages, also how well the coil does its job. Sometimes 0.5 watt can make a difference. I bought a nemesis mechanical clone for doomsday prep but I really hope I never have to use it.



** Take this part to the NET PIF thread please ** -- Dusty_D

 

[MikeNice81]

Owning an SVD & VTR which show wattage makes it more intuitive to evaluate this effect (don't have to do math in your head as you are enjoying the vape.) There is difinately a change in flavors at different wattages, also how well the coil does its job. Sometimes 0.5 watt can make a difference. I bought a nemesis mechanical clone for doomsday prep but I really hope I never have to use it.

I tend to use the wattage setting. I just switched over to the voltage setting because I felt like I was getting such a different taste. Knowing that the Evo is regulated at 3.7 volts and mine was fully charged, I set my MVP 2.0 to 3.7 volts. That gives me about 6.8 watts with the 2.0 ohm resistance of my current head. I can crank it up to 8.5 watts and the oriental pops to the front with a good back note from the stoving of the tobaccos. It is a radically different experience than using the Evod. For the purpose of comparison I tried to avoid differences in power as much as possible.

The more I vape the Dunhill the less I notice any Latakia in it. As one reviewer of the analog said, "If there is any Latakia in the blend it is trace amounts."

 

[jefsview]

Owning an SVD & VTR which show wattage makes it more intuitive to evaluate this effect (don't have to do math in your head as you are enjoying the vape.) There is difinately a change in flavors at different wattages, also how well the coil does its job. Sometimes 0.5 watt can make a difference. I bought a nemesis mechanical clone for doomsday prep but I really hope I never have to use it.



** Take this part to the NET PIF thread please ** -- Dusty_D

You have to do that in the PIF forum -- it's not allowed "out here."

 

[jefsview]

I see Dusty beat me to it

 

[Jerms]

Dspin tells me that Walker Tobacco Alternatives are the best NET he has tried in 4 years. It's a massive claim but I respect this guys opinion, no matter how outlandish such an opinion may be, because he had similar high praise about Vaperite when they were one of only two NETS around and he was right. Dspin actually got me into NETS 2-3 years ago when he put me onto Vaperite.

Has anyone tried Walkers Tobacco Alternatives?

I have a couple WalkerT gifted from DustM. I may try one tonight to let you know what I think.

 

[regal55]

Sorry about that, thanks for the info

 

[Jerms]

Vaping Bill's Louisiana Red. This is a really well balanced tobacco. Virginia's are right up front with a light tongue pucker of Perique out back. Not as sweet as I expected from Red Virginia's. This is at 20% extract and seems just right for me. I'm keeping it cool at 8 watts on a 1.5 ohm coil in a 3D. Squonk, squonk.

I also found it less sweet than I expected. I think that's partly because red Virginias have less sugars than yellow and orange. Not really sure how much that fact is effecting the sweetness though since the other H&H VA/Per blend Bill extracted, Anniversary Kake, is also drier than I expected and that has a mixture of all colors of Virginia.

The different flavor notes offered by red Virginias is easily noticable in Louisiana Red. A little toasty and spicy. As I've mentioned, I kind of enjoy that NET a little bit

Mine's at 15% ratio instead of the 20% you're vaping it at, and still very full flavored.

 

[boomerdude]

Mine is from Bill. I've been slowly working my way through several we swapped. Not a loser in the bunch so far although Sundancer wasn't my bag. The Newminster 306 is the winner so far, still a couple-a-three to go.

Here's a little safety tip kids. When doing 6 mg. for awhile, trying an 18 mg. juice will blow your head off!

I think this CAO Italia is gonna be my last cigar extract for awhile. I would love to find a source for cigar varietals from Dominica, Nicaragua and Cuban seed.

One last tobacco extract of McClelland - Just Plain Nuts and I'm done with cased and flavored tobaccos for awhile also. I think using varietal blends and synthetic single flavors are going to be 100% of my endeavors for the next couple of months. So be on the lookout for - Boomer's Bug Juice and Ambrosia with extra flavor shots in the near future.

It has a body and a spice component that most do not associate with Virginia and the Perique rounds out and adds depth, without stepping on any toes. I really, REALLY liked this one. Johnni's juices are turning out to be VERy high quality, and could get in the ring with most anything out there IMHO

To clarify I believe my LA Red is from johnni? You?

 

[Jerms]

I'm really learning the importance of JDS and taste. You would think I understand it by now. I've went from cartos on 808s, to an SM30 on an Evod battery, then an Evod 2 on an Evod battery, now I've got an MVP 2.0 and a couple of Kanger tanks. However, I keep forgetting that the battery/mod and it's connections can make a difference.

I have an Evod 2 filled with Dunhill Early Morning from MVJ. On the Evod battery there is really no definitive taste to the juice. All of the tobaccos kind of blend together an there is a general airy sweetness in the middle of the mix. I took the same tank and juice combo over to the MVP 2.0. Set to 3.7 volts the MVP 2.0 brings out more of the Lat and Oriental tobacco. The overall flavor is darker and less airy on the MVP 2.0.

So, I searched for a reason why that could be. The only thing I notice that could make the difference is, the MVP's ego connection has two or three more threads than the Evod. Also the battery connector on the MVP is flat where as the Evod's has a divot that allows more air to enter the center pin of the tank's coil. So, the combination of less threading to block/slow airflow, plus more air coming in to the coils changes the nature of the vape. A secondary difference is that the MVP seems to produce less vapor.

How is that on topic? Remember that the tobacco flavor one reviewer gets may be completely different than what you experience. Also remember that simply switching from one mod or battery to another may change how you perceive the juice. So, on't discount something too fast if you have options.

Yeah, airflow counts for a lot. Mainly in throat hit and vapor production, but can also effect the flavor. I really started noticing it with rebuildable drippers. Since you set the coil position yourself, you learn quick how big a difference it makes. How far the coil is from the airhole, the vertical position to the airhole, and the angle the air hits the coil all has an effect. And of course, how big the airhole is has a very big effect. Like most things vaping, the perfect set-up for someone depends on personal preference.

I like how I can control the throat hit by just raising or lowering the coil in relation to the side airhole. If the coil is above the airhole, more throat hit and slightly less vapor. Below the airhole produces slightly more vapor but less throat hit. Right in the middle or coil slightly above airhole usually works for me.

 

[billherbst]

To clarify I believe my LA Red is from johnni?

Duplications of specific tobacco blends are one of the interesting developments we're seeing now, given the spread of retail NET liquids and the productivity of our small but growing band of intrepid home extractors. Both Johni and I have extracted Hearth & Home Signature Louisiana Red Pipe tobacco. My extract is from a heat-assisted 80pg/20vg maceration (my typical warm water bath) with a short steep (one day), whereas Johni's is from a cold-process/room-temp long-steep all-PG maceration.

I now have four different versions of ACID Blondie---two retail juices (want2vape ACID Blondie, now called "The Blond" and RBFS Dagwood's Wife is Trippin') and two cold-process/room-temp home-extracts (Boomerdude's and Johni's). Although all four are made from the what are supposedly the very same cigars and share the idiosyncratic ACID Blondie flavor profile, meaningful differences in the overall vaping experience of those four juices/extracts are easily discernible, especially if they're vaped side-by-side.

I've extracted American Spirit Organic cigarette/RYO blend, the same tobacco used in N-E-T.com's Organic Spirit. Also, I've extracted NAT Sherman MCD cigarettes, which are the same as N-E-T.com's NS Dark or NS Brown (I can't remember which---one is MCD and the other is Cigarillo, or so I assume).

And so it goes, multiple choices for the same tobacco blends. But then, that's commonplace in the eliquid marketplace. I've reviewed 160 different versions of RY4 over three years, and I'll bet a hundred more are available that I haven't vaped.

 

[boomerdude]

It doesn't have the bite like SPC-MS. I find it perfect, with a smokey camp fire taste that is surprisingly mellow. But of course your opinion may vary. I tend towards the heavier, smokey type juices which probably is why I did Latakia straight up when I smoked pipes.

How's Obsidian compare to Mississippi River? I found River a bit too strong for my taste.. The Balkan/English/Perique just messed with my head and tastebuds last night.

 

[Jerms]

Duplications of specific tobacco blends are one of the interesting developments we're seeing now, given the spread of retail NET liquids and the productivity of our small but growing band of intrepid home extractors. Both Johni and I have extracted Hearth & Home Signature Louisiana Red Pipe tobacco. My extract is from a heat-assisted 80pg/20vg maceration (my typical warm water bath) with a short steep (one day), whereas Johni's is from a cold-process/room-temp long-steep all-PG maceration.

I now have four different versions of ACID Blondie---two retail juices (want2vape ACID Blondie, now called "The Blond" and RBFS Dagwood's Wife is Trippin') and two cold-process/room-temp home-extracts (Boomerdude's and Johni's). Although all four are made from the what are supposedly the very same cigars and share the idiosyncratic ACID Blondie flavor profile, meaningful differences in the overall vaping experience of those four juices/extracts are easily discernible, especially if they're vaped side-by-side.

I've extracted American Spirit Organic cigarette/RYO blend, the same tobacco used in N-E-T.com's Organic Spirit. Also, I've extracted NAT Sherman MCD cigarettes, which are the same as N-E-T.com's NS Dark or NS Brown (I can't remember which---one is MCD and the other is Cigarillo, or so I assume).

And so it goes, multiple choices for the same tobacco blends. But then, that's commonplace in the eliquid marketplace. I've reviewed 160 different versions of RY4 over three years, and I'll bet a hundred more are available that I haven't vaped.

I've also noticed flavor varies from blondie to blondie.

Wait, what are we talking about again?

 

[MikeNice81]

It doesn't have the bite like SPC-MS. I find it perfect, with a smokey camp fire taste that is surprisingly mellow. But of course your opinion may vary. I tend towards the heavier, smokey type juices which probably is why I did Latakia straight up when I smoked pipes.

I couldn't do straight Latakia. That would put hair on your chest, and your tongue.

 

[Dusty_D]

it doesn't have the bite like spc-ms. I find it perfect, with a smokey camp fire taste that is surprisingly mellow. But of course your opinion may vary. I tend towards the heavier, smokey type juices which probably is why i did latakia straight up when i smoked pipes.

dayum!!!

 

[billherbst]

I would love to find a source for cigar varietals from Dominica, Nicaragua and Cuban seed.

Hey boomer,

You'll be getting a package in the mail from me within a week or so containing extract bottles of the five cigars I finished yesterday (Batch #10, 5-day heat-assisted 130° warm water bath macerations, 65pg/35vg bases):

Carlos Torano Casa Torano
Torano’s private house blend cigar; Dominican and Nicaraguan long-fillers wrapped in a golden-brown Ecuadorian-grown Connecticut shade wrapper; extremely complex flavors: subtle spice, creamy sweetness, a peppery earthiness; bold yet soft.

La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero
Dominican longfiller and binder leaves finished in silky Ecuadorian wrappers that shimmer with a dark and oily patina; flavors of wood and coffee bean dominate with sweet notes on a long, spicy finish.

Alec Bradley Tempus
The Habano-seed wrapper hails from a small tobacco field located on the border of Nicaragua and Honduras, capturing the rich, hearty flavors of Honduras. This leaf is dark and leathery, and conceals a complex mixture of Cuban-seed long-fillers grown in both Nicaragua and Honduras. The cigar explodes with rich, but smooth flavors noting toasted wood and nuts. The finish is long and peppery with an enjoyable sweetness.

Brick House Robusto Natural
specially aged Nicaraguan tobaccos with hearty Havana Subido™ wrapper leaves, with flavors of White pepper, wood (oak), grass, and spice.

PDR 1878 Cubano Especial Capa Maduro
Brazilian Arapiraca wrapper, Dominincan Criollo binder and a carefully crafted mix of Nicaraguan and Dominican criollo fillers. This medium-bodied selection opens with a hearty, dark maduro wrapper that will warm you to the core. Earthy flavors with just a hint of sweetness.​

 

[boomerdude]

People use to complain about the room note, saying it smelled like burning rubber. It did, but it smoked so freaking good. I got it fresh from A.J. Peretti and filled a well used Bulldog with it over and over. Then I would switch to a Church Warden with Peretti's house blend Ebony or Midnight. Good times man, good times.

I couldn't do straight Latakia. That would put hair on your chest, and your tongue.

 

[boomerdude]

I mentioned that I would come back to True Leaf's Midnight after letting it steep. I'm going to let it steep awhile longer. I might have to eat my words after all.