Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Dusty_D]

ou, tastes better right after taking a gulp of coffee, hides the weird flavor. What a trip this is. Why am I loading my dripper with more??

Who else has this? Because you gotta try it, now.

Well, don't you sound a little "hoppy" right now? Or, should I say you're all hopped up instead?

 

[MikeNice81]

I asked Walt from Killer juice if his tobaccos are naturally extracted tobaccos or synthetic.

The tobacco flavors we make are not synthetic at all... I even special order our nicotine from a company that extracts from tobacco only.

I'm asking for more info. I don't really want to read to much into his answer.

 

[Jerms]

I was just watching Smokie's review of these on Youtube... black as pitch -- and those were the pipe tobaccos. It was a favorable review, but from they looked rather dirty (gunkers).

It's interesting, this sudden "discovery" of NETs and the rush to market.

Yeah, they aren't just gunky, they are gunk. Sludge. Good for just a few vapes until things go downhill. I filled my Atomic dripper with about 20 drops, and wasn't able to finish it before all I tasted was dirty coil.

(Smokie's a choad)

I asked Walt from Killer Juice if his tobaccos are naturally extracted tobaccos or synthetic.



I'm asking for more info. I don't really want to read to much into his answer.

I thought all commercial nicotine is extracted from tobacco? If he special orders his nic from a company because they say it comes from tobacco only, is he being scammed?

I prefer my nictotine to be extracted from tomatoes.

 

[jefsview]

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

 

[Jerms]

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

Yum!

I need to try this.

If you had more than I little bottle, I would offer an exchange for some hops

 

[jefsview]

Yum!

I need to try this.

If you had more than I little bottle, I would offer an exchange for some hops

It is actually half of a little bottle. What were these? 5ml? Looks small for 10ml.

And yes, I wish it had been a 30ml I had a bottle of Black Cavendish ready to drip after the tasting, thinking I'd find it as dull as some of those other Turkish liquids, but I can't stop vaping this now.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

Jeff, I got to say, your approach to expressing your take on liquids is strong. Really digging your writing, man!

 

[Jerms]

It is actually half of a little bottle. What were these? 5ml? Looks small for 10ml.

And yes, I wish it had been a 30ml I had a bottle of Black Cavendish ready to drip after the tasting, thinking I'd find it as dull as some of those other Turkish liquids, but I can't stop vaping this now.

That's how Southern Classic was for me. After vaping it for a day I finally put it down (only have 7ml, wanna get a few sessions from it). I didn't want to put it down though. Could easily have kept going until it was gone.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Not to worry. I felt the same vaping it. Others have different taste, so I kept it in the lineup. One more negative and of it goes. The Obsidian is good, really good.

If the CAO Bella Vanilla continues to not get good reviews, send some my way. I doubt there's mothballs in it.

Willing to bet it either needs a good steep or longer maceration time if it does taste the way you guys are experiencing.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

I tend to use the wattage setting. I just switched over to the voltage setting because I felt like I was getting such a different taste. Knowing that the Evo is regulated at 3.7 volts and mine was fully charged, I set my MVP 2.0 to 3.7 volts. That gives me about 6.8 watts with the 2.0 ohm resistance of my current head. I can crank it up to 8.5 watts and the oriental pops to the front with a good back note from the stoving of the tobaccos. It is a radically different experience than using the Evod. For the purpose of comparison I tried to avoid differences in power as much as possible.

The more I vape the Dunhill the less I notice any Latakia in it. As one reviewer of the analog said, "If there is any Latakia in the blend it is trace amounts."

Does that battery have a Mean/RMS switch setting?

with the VAMO, I had to hold down a button or two for a while until it switched to "RMS". Didn't switch by default.

Let me see if I can remember which it was...

Yeah, it's the "Wattage/Voltage -" button, once voltage is displayed, press and hold for a few seconds until you see "Mean" or "RMS" press again and do the same thing to switch to the opposite mode.

RE: The Dunhill- very light to me, just doesn't even have the same impact as Captain Black, let alone Ashton.

I'll give this one a good steep.

And it doesn't seem to matter whether I use a fresh coil or not, or the SVM Kayfun ( I just torched the wicks/coil before loading the Dunhill), the flavor is about the same.

Definitely not as present as the Ashton

Yeah, airflow counts for a lot. Mainly in throat hit and vapor production, but can also effect the flavor. I really started noticing it with rebuildable drippers. Since you set the coil position yourself, you learn quick how big a difference it makes. How far the coil is from the airhole, the vertical position to the airhole, and the angle the air hits the coil all has an effect. And of course, how big the airhole is has a very big effect. Like most things vaping, the perfect set-up for someone depends on personal preference.

I like how I can control the throat hit by just raising or lowering the coil in relation to the side airhole. If the coil is above the airhole, more throat hit and slightly less vapor. Below the airhole produces slightly more vapor but less throat hit. Right in the middle or coil slightly above airhole usually works for me.

Does a vertical coil significantly affect the taste?
I have my wick right over the airhole, and it does tend to produce bigger clouds than the EVOD.
I have to kind of stop vaping pretty quickly since all I have are

I've also noticed flavor varies from blondie to blondie.

Wait, what are we talking about again?

Well, it seems like Bill was talking about the flavor of different types of ACID.
I don't know what you're talking about, or what any of this is about, now.
Someone please enlighten me.

I couldn't do straight Latakia. That would put hair on your chest, and your tongue.

Picture a campfire, and enjoying some s'mores. Then pretend that you're inhaling the smoke of the campfire. Ah, yes. Memories.
j/k
Honestly, Latakia is like inhaling a bunch of memories, to me.
Dunno why. I love Balkan, and am going to extract it and Bombay myself even if my NETCOM order shows up soon.
I have no patience, and love those two that I've tried thus far.
That's enough for me.

People use to complain about the room note, saying it smelled like burning rubber. It did, but it smoked so freaking good. I got it fresh from A.J. Peretti and filled a well used Bulldog with it over and over. Then I would switch to a Church Warden with Peretti's house blend Ebony or Midnight. Good times man, good times.

Is it wrong that the only part of that I understood was "room note; smelled like burning rubber; and 'smoked'"?

Wonderful source of information on the origins of NET.coms more recent offerings bill. I knew which cigars all the originals were extracted from but no idea where organic spirit, NS Dark and NS Brown came from. They are all good. I still have some brown and dark left so I might hang out with both of those this weekend.


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I've already ID'ed their Balkan and Bombay blends, purely from the description of the contents matching up to the corresponding blends.
It's almost go time on an order to make a huge friggin bottle of Bombay myself.

It's Penzance's darker, dirty uncle. Fairly latakia heavy. Going into the que for sure…

I understand the 'Latakia heavy' part. You guys are driving me nuts talking about all this Latakia I don't possess.

Speaking of NETCOM...delivery lead time update:

Order Date: 4/22/14
Order #: 2255

So i am over 6 weeks now and not a word from them.

I just now TRIPPED OUT. NETCOM is less than a year old, my first order was like #35...they are up to 2255 orders?!?! Holy crap!

Do what?
April 22 and still no ship notice?
I'm going to be following your posts even more closely to see if it ships soon. I placed my order 5/9.

4/15 order number 2213 for me... Thankfully I only ordered a single sampler pack and only have $15 tied up.

#2367; as I said, 5/9.

Last order was on 2/14; #1726
Shipped 3/27.

That's over 500 orders in a couple of weeks. Yeowch.

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

I'll be right there.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Not to worry. I felt the same vaping it. Others have different taste, so I kept it in the lineup. One more negative and of it goes. The Obsidian is good, really good.

Maybe I need to try more because my CAOs seriously have no taste, as in, they remind me of vaping straight VG/PG and nic. I've seen people say that about other random liquids before and I generally question it, but man, these liquids are almost at a negative for taste. Once again though, in spite of my feelings about the liquids, if anyone else likes them then that's cool too -- I speak of my experience and I can move on from it.

I really like unflavored liquids, so I don't dislike the CAOs, I just wished I would've known as I can buy unflavored by the gallon. LOL. Just kidding (kinda), there is *some* taste (I guess), but I really have to look for it. I take everything back I said about PrimeVaping! ha

No offense to Diane though as these liquids are just not for me, but I still root for her.

 

[Jerms]

Maybe I need to try more because my CAOs seriously have no taste, as in, they remind me of vaping straight VG/PG and nic. I've seen people say that about other random liquids before and I generally question it, but man, these liquids are almost at a negative for taste. Once again though, in spite of my feelings about the liquids, if anyone else likes them then that's cool too -- I speak of my experience and I can move on from it.

I really like unflavored liquids, so I don't dislike the CAOs, I just wished I would've known as I can buy unflavored by the gallon. LOL. Just kidding (kinda), there is *some* taste (I guess), but I really have to look for it. I take everything back I said about PrimeVaping! ha

No offense to Diane though as these liquids are just not for me, but I still root for her.

Maybe if MVJ and WalkerT had a baby you'd be set.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Maybe if MVJ and WalkerT had a baby you'd be set.

I know, right? LOL. Night and day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know, maybe....nah. Not going to do it, but I bet you could cut WalkerT by about 75% and MVJ would still not obviously be apparent (a parent). Walker has some strong genes I imagine.

It's not even just how dark the liquid is, it's just loaded with extract. I think that's why I like NET.com and RBFS so much -- they are on point with the extract-to-performance ratios.

But, I don't dislike WlakerT from the flavor standpoint, I just think they should lessen the amount of extract.

 

[Jerms]

I know, right? LOL. Night and day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know, maybe....nah. Not going to do it, but I bet you could cut WalkerT by about 75% and MVJ would still not obviously be apparent (a parent). Walker has some strong genes I imagine.

It's not even just how dark the liquid is, it's just loaded with extract. I think that's why I like NET.com and RBFS so much -- they are on point with the extract-to-performance ratios.

But, I don't dislike WlakerT from the flavor standpoint, I just think they should lessen the amount of extract.

WalkerT may work for several here if they consider it a DIY NET extract. It certainly seems more like an ingredient than an end product to me. Vaping it straight, you're quite literally smoking after several vapes. Perfect for those who like the flavor of carbon build-up smoke.

 

[Mr.Mann]

WalkerT may work for several here if they consider it a DIY NET extract. It certainly seems more like an ingredient than an end product to me. Vaping it straight, you're quite literally smoking after several vapes. Perfect for those who like the flavor of carbon build-up smoke.

There was someone I let see the WlakerT's and they seriously thought it was just extract. But yeah, I won't get into the carbon buildup as that is just something with which I take major issue. When I see people bring out coils and wicks that look like it came out of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, I just cringe. If one must vape quick gunkers, change those wicks and dry burn the coils as frequently as you have to -- even if it's after a short session.

 

[Dustmight]

Yeah, they aren't just gunky, they are gunk. Sludge. Good for just a few vapes until things go downhill. I filled my Atomic dripper with about 20 drops, and wasn't able to finish it before all I tasted was dirty coil.

(Smokie's a choad)

Hahahah I haven't heard or read anyone use the word Choad since 1998! Guess it's almost vintage and therefore nearly back in style!

Jerms, I sent you those Walkers, partly because you had inquired about "the NET that makes all others pretenders" in an earlier thread and also for the ... factor they provide. As I was disassembling the coils I had built only about 3 minutes prior to vaping "the greatest NETs since the invention of tobacco" I couldn't help but think "Clampett's Texas Tea" might be a more fitting brand identity for this stuff.

Duane Greene on YouTube did an interview with Ken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0kZSjVaeQ You have to skip thru a lot of BS to about 46:00 to hear some vague info about his liquids. One such flimsy bit of note is why he doesn't use PG in his macerations/liquids.
What's absent from the conversation is any talk about performance, and if you choose to watch, you'll see why that is. They are using Genesis atomizers with this stuff!! Now I haven't had much experience with Gennys as I found the whole experience cumbersome, but I can see how a SS mesh setup might be much more forgiving to sludgy liquids. Any of you with more knowledge on this are encouraged to chime in. However, my hunch is he's tailoring these more to his hardware preferences than anything else. It's too bad really because going by his selections, he does know a good amount about quality cigars.

Also a little bit "meh" are his plans for setting up a monthly "subscription only" service in which your buy in gets you one bottle of whatever he happens to be brewing at the time.

But who knows, there's got to be people out there that like vaping used 10w-30 lawnmower oil. If so these are just the treat for you!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hahahah I haven't heard or read anyone use the word Choad since 1998! Guess it's almost vintage and therefore nearly back in style!

Jerms, I sent you those Walkers, partly because you had inquired about "the NET that makes all others pretenders" in an earlier thread and also for the ... factor they provide. As I was disassembling the coils I had built only about 3 minutes prior to vaping "the greatest NETs since the invention of tobacco" I couldn't help but think "Clampett's Texas Tea" might be a more fitting brand identity for this stuff.

Duane Greene on YouTube did an interview with Ken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0kZSjVaeQ You have to skip thru a lot of BS to about 46:00 to hear some vague info about his liquids. One such flimsy bit of note is why he doesn't use PG in his macerations/liquids.
What's absent from the conversation is any talk about performance, and if you choose to watch, you'll see why that is. They are using Genesis atomizers with this stuff!! Now I haven't had much experience with Gennys as I found the whole experience cumbersome, but I can see how a SS mesh setup might be much more forgiving to sludgy liquids. Any of you with more knowledge on this are encouraged to chime in. However, my hunch is he's tailoring these more to his hardware preferences than anything else. It's too bad really because going by his selections, he does know a good amount about quality cigars.

Also a little bit "meh" are his plans for setting up a monthly "subscription only" service in which your buy in gets you one bottle of whatever he happens to be brewing at the time.

But who knows, there's got to be people out there that like vaping used 10w-30 lawnmower oil. If so these are just the treat for you!

Good catch on the genny possibility. But, one thing I can say about gennys is that they are genny-erally NOT for natty tobaccos! At least the two I had made tobaccos taste pretty terrible (the DID and ZattyPro). Those devices made me never want to see another GeJ bottle again, but I opted for selling the devices as GeJ was more important to me than hardware.

I think Dusty was there going through the same thing when I had those woes.

 

[Dustmight]

Good catch on the genny possibility. But, one thing I can say about gennys is that they are genny-erally NOT for natty tobaccos! At least the two I had made tobaccos taste pretty terrible (the DID and ZattyPro). Those devices made me never want to see another GeJ bottle again, but I opted for selling the devices as GeJ was more important to me than hardware.

I think Dusty was there going through the same thing when I had those woes.

That was my understanding too, but hey, they are both sitting there puffing away raving about how great it tastes. This might also explain the high concentration of extract in these liquids too. More is needed to get a decent flavor. Dunno. All things considered, it truly seems like not all hardware was considered in considering these vapes.

 

[Dustmight]

ou, tastes better right after taking a gulp of coffee, hides the weird flavor. What a trip this is. Why am I loading my dripper with more??

Who else has this? Because you gotta try it, now.

Btw Jerms, I realize this was a weird hops to start with. Sorachi Ace is a varietal that is used often because of it's heavy lemongrass property. Mos def something to go in the curiosities category. I've been experimenting with it as a flavor additive to a Va/Per tobacco blend with more pleasing results.

I have a few more hops to try my hand at yet (Chinook and Simcoe), but I think I'd like to deplete the current stash of extracts to free up my bottle supply. If anyone is interested in trying a sample, hit me up via PM, or look for it on the PIF thread in the next couple of days.

 

[boomerdude]

Well, it seems like Bill was talking about the flavor of different types of ACID.I don't know what you're talking about, or what any of this is about, now. Someone please enlighten me.

Bill was talking about "Acid Blonde" the cigar. Jerms was talking about blondes, you know, like Maryln Monroe.

Is it wrong that the only part of that I understood was "room note; smelled like burning rubber; and 'smoked'"?

Not so much that as missing Jerms play on words. That, was just plain wrong.

Bulldog's and Church Wardens are types of pipes. A.J. Peretti is an tobacconist in Boston. Ebony and Midnight are two of their house blends with Latakia.