Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Jerms]

Btw Jerms, I realize this was a weird hops to start with. Sorachi Ace is a varietal that is used often because of it's heavy lemongrass property. Mos def something to go in the curiosities category. I've been experimenting with it as a flavor additive to a Va/Per tobacco blend with more pleasing results.

I have a few more hops to try my hand at yet (Chinook and Simcoe), but I think I'd like to deplete the current stash of extracts to free up my bottle supply. If anyone is interested in trying a sample, hit me up via PM, or look for it on the PIF thread in the next couple of days.

Lemongrass property is pretty easy to see. There's this totally natural tasting, very green, almost bright and clear flavor profile. Nothing I would label as bad, unnatural, chemical, funky, or off. It's just very weird. For me it's not pleasant straight up, but seems promising for a flavor additive as you said. Playing a small role in the backround, it could really liven up a juice.

If I was a DIY and had a bunch of flavorings around, it would be a fun ingredient to experiment with. Since I don't DIY, I'll have to stick with Frankenjuicing. The oily, bassy flavor of Triple Maduro from MVJ is a possible candidate. Could make an interesting contrast adding a touch of the hops to the dark flavor. I also have an apple from FanceeJuice that could use some tweaking, I can see the hops going well with fruit. Your choice of adding it to a VA/Per blend is interesting, but I'm not sure if I'd want to add it something that's already grassy.

 

[Jerms]

Ebony and Midnight are two of their house blends with Latakia.

...damn, and I already used up my one sex joke for the day.

 

[AnthonyB]

Yeah, they aren't just gunky, they are gunk. Sludge. Good for just a few vapes until things go downhill. I filled my Atomic dripper with about 20 drops, and wasn't able to finish it before all I tasted was dirty coil.

(Smokie's a choad)



I thought all commercial nicotine is extracted from tobacco? If he special orders his nic from a company because they say it comes from tobacco only, is he being scammed?

I prefer my nictotine to be extracted from tomatoes.

They can be put through lab filters yeah? 5 micron perhaps? I might do the same with Paris.


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[AnthonyB]

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

Fantastic. I have an bottle of that which I got from clay 6 months ago. I tasted it back then and put it to steep., and forgot about it. Can't wait to crack it




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[Brobdingnagian]

...damn, and I already used up my one sex joke for the day.

It's after midnight.



Now the memories of Eric Clapton come rushing back.

Excuse me, changing the turntable.



Anyhow, Bill, I got Jerms' joke. I just didn't know whether we were talking about Acid, Acid Blondes, or Blondes.

 

[Dusty_D]

Good catch on the genny possibility. But, one thing I can say about gennys is that they are genny-erally NOT for natty tobaccos! At least the two I had made tobaccos taste pretty terrible (the DID and ZattyPro). Those devices made me never want to see another GeJ bottle again, but I opted for selling the devices as GeJ was more important to me than hardware.

I think Dusty was there going through the same thing when I had those woes.

Absolutely.. but I kept my DID. I'll get back to the 4 sheets of 500 mesh that I have along with the 25ft cable wire and 100ft of silica etc etc someday.

 

[checkum]

Speaking of NETCOM...delivery lead time update:

Order Date: 4/22/14
Order #: 2255

So i am over 6 weeks now and not a word from them.

I just now TRIPPED OUT. NETCOM is less than a year old, my first order was like #35...they are up to 2255 orders?!?! Holy crap!

Oh great. My order on 5/5/14 won't be here in June as I hoped.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh great. My order on 5/5/14 won't be here in June as I hoped.

After all of this, I am beyond the point of being able to make excuses for this. It's sad, period! I don't know if I will ever actually order from them again, though I probably will, but until they turn over a new leaf I can't in good conscience ever recommend them again.

I went to their website thinking I would see a huge disclaimer in bold red (or something like that about their lead time), but no, nothing like that. On their front page this is what it says:

We apologize for the delays, and we assure all of our customers that their orders will be shipping in the coming days and weeks. We will return to our 3 to 5 day shipping time ASAP. Thank you for your patience and understanding.


"Coming days and weeks?" What does that mean? So basically anytime from today until weeks from now? I guess they mean we'll ship your order sooner or later.

In their shipping section this is all it says:

Please know that since our e-Liquids are custom-made with your individual specifications on extract strength, nicotine strength, flavor strength and PG/VG ratios, we would not be able to ship same day. Our goal is to fill your order with care and ship your custom made product after a 8-10 day window for processing/mixing. Thank you for your patience and for waiting for what we hope you find to be the best Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco out there!

No one cares about what their "goal" is, customers care about what their results are.

Suggestion: Your order currently will have no ETA. Order at your own discretion knowing that.

 

[MikeNice81]

After all of this, I am beyond the point of being able to make excuses for this. It's sad, period! I don't know if I will ever actually order from them again, though I probably will, but until they turn over a new leaf I can't in good conscience ever recommend them again.

I went to their website thinking I would see a huge disclaimer in bold red (or something like that about their lead time), but no, nothing like that. On their front page this is what it says:

We apologize for the delays, and we assure all of our customers that their orders will be shipping in the coming days and weeks. We will return to our 3 to 5 day shipping time ASAP. Thank you for your patience and understanding.


"Coming days and weeks?" What does that mean? So basically anytime from today until weeks from now? I guess they mean we'll ship your order sooner or later.

In their shipping section this is all it says:

Please know that since our e-Liquids are custom-made with your individual specifications on extract strength, nicotine strength, flavor strength and PG/VG ratios, we would not be able to ship same day. Our goal is to fill your order with care and ship your custom made product after a 8-10 day window for processing/mixing. Thank you for your patience and for waiting for what we hope you find to be the best Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco out there!

No one cares about what their "goal" is, customers care about what their results are.

Suggestion: Your order currently will have no ETA. Order at your own discretion knowing that.

Really, he needs to stop taking orders. A big notice saying, "Due to complications we are unable to keep up with the high rate of orders. No new orders will be taken until our backlog is handled. Please know that we are working hard on all previous orders an hope to have them filled soon."

It sounds to me like his one man operation isn't enough to keep up with all of the incoming orders. Add that to the several weeks of backlog he had, an it becomes a disaster. I hate it for him. His nets are awesome and I would love to order some in the 10mg -12mg range. The 18mg and 15mg I have are just too high now.

 

[Big Juicy]

ou, tastes better right after taking a gulp of coffee, hides the weird flavor. What a trip this is. Why am I loading my dripper with more??

Who else has this? Because you gotta try it, now.

I will load this up shortly

 

[boomerdude]

There's always tomorrow.

...damn, and I already used up my one sex joke for the day.

 

[billherbst]

After all of this, I am beyond the point of being able to make excuses for this. It's sad, period! I don't know if I will ever actually order from them again, though I probably will, but until they turn over a new leaf I can't in good conscience ever recommend them again.

Yes, I agree. While I am sympathetic to Clay's plight---Life can whack any of us very hard, and at any time---his response to customers, or rather, his lack of what I consider a proper and much-needed response, has continued to the point where I am no longer inclined to cut him slack.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have never ordered from N-E-T.com, so I haven't suffered any personal inconvenience. But the topic is ongoing on the thread and has been for months now. Many NETizens here have been loyal and supportive, often above and beyond the call of duty.

Enough is enough. Clay needs to step up to the plate. Should he stop taking orders? I don't know enough about his personal situation to feel one way or the other about that particular remedy. But he should do something, and more than he's done. Any of various strategies would help---allowing only a certain number of orders per day, or allowing ordering at only certain times, whatever.

Clay is now the poster child for why I have no wish to become a vendor. The situation with N-E-T.com may not be the worst-case scenario---that would be his vanishing with the money from a thousand unfilled orders and never being heard from again---but it's far from acceptable.

Strangely enough, the troubles at N-E-T.com are part of what motivated me to begin more actively sharing my homemade NET extracts and juices with my compatriots here, and that development has been altogether positive for me. So, I guess it's an ill wind that blows no good.

 

[dkeppel]

Placed an order with NET.com on the 04/08/2014 sent a few E-Mails asking for an update and address change as my order had moved to final processing stage and was not editable within a week of order placement.

No reply yet, just 1 day under 3 month since my order was placed and not even a generic E-Mail explaining there situation or update on the company's home page. It might sound a bit harsh but I feel robbed, I don't have a lot of spare cash to throw around and as I'm located in New Zealand orders take a long time to reach me as is.

 

[BiggestPapi]

Placed an order with NET.com on the 04/08/2014 sent a few E-Mails asking for an update and address change as my order had moved to final processing stage and was not editable within a week of order placement.

No reply yet, just 1 day under 3 month since my order was placed and not even a generic E-Mail explaining there situation or update on the company's home page. It might sound a bit harsh but I feel robbed, I don't have a lot of spare cash to throw around and as I'm located in New Zealand orders take a long time to reach me as is.

April 1 here - same boat. Don't expect a response - typing appears to be a challenge for them.

 

[Jerms]

They can be put through lab filters yeah? 5 micron perhaps? I might do the same with Paris.


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Maybe, not sure. The juice is very thick, thicker than VG, so if it worked I'm assuming it would take a long time. Filtering and maybe diluting may improve it's performance, but if I can't see personally going that far on a vendor juice. That's just a step away from doing the extraction myself on tobaccos of my choosing and saving a bunch of money.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Placed an order with NET.com on the 04/08/2014 sent a few E-Mails asking for an update and address change as my order had moved to final processing stage and was not editable within a week of order placement.

No reply yet, just 1 day under 3 month since my order was placed and not even a generic E-Mail explaining there situation or update on the company's home page. It might sound a bit harsh but I feel robbed, I don't have a lot of spare cash to throw around and as I'm located in New Zealand orders take a long time to reach me as is.

Have you been a reader of this thread for a while? Even the old thread? Just curious as you popped up right in line with the topic -- as if you are a normal reader.

Sorry to read about that order. It's happened to me before with another vendor and I never received my product. I do not believe that will happen to you, but it still sucks!

How did that HHV order work out for you? (I read some of your previous posts.)

 

[regal55]

Yeah, they aren't just gunky, they are gunk. Sludge. Good for just a few vapes until things go downhill. I filled my Atomic dripper with about 20 drops, and wasn't able to finish it before all I tasted was dirty coil.

(Smokie's a choad)



I thought all commercial nicotine is extracted from tobacco? If he special orders his nic from a company because they say it comes from tobacco only, is he being scammed?

I prefer my nictotine to be extracted from tomatoes.

I think more companies play word games than we think. The "synthetic" tobacco flavor from china is "distilled" from tobacco as is their pure nicotine used to make 100mg/ml PG/VG bases. I am sure one of this forum's favorites here does this play on words..

Weird about MVJ having a backlog I've ordered 2 sample packs from MVJ in the last two weeks and got them right away. Seems like they don't make a bad juice they are the real deal when it comes to natural tobacco, only one I'm not thrilled with is summer pipe.

 

[MikeNice81]

I think more companies play word games than we think. The "synthetic" tobacco flavor from china is "distilled" from tobacco as is their pure nicotine used to make 100mg/ml PG/VG bases. I am sure one of this forum's favorites here does this play on words..

Weird about MVJ having a backlog I've ordered 2 sample packs from MVJ in the last two weeks and got them right away. Seems like they don't make a bad juice they are the real deal when it comes to natural tobacco, only one I'm not thrilled with is summer pipe.

MVJ isn't back logged as far as I know. We are talking about naturally-extracted-tobacco.com being back logged. It is a long and on going situation. Life hit the guy hard and he's playing catch up. A lot of people think he handled things the wrong way. Some people have defended him and now some others are taking up that same thought process.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think more companies play word games than we think. The "synthetic" tobacco flavor from china is "distilled" from tobacco as is their pure nicotine used to make 100mg/ml PG/VG bases. I am sure one of this forum's favorites here does this play on words..

Weird about MVJ having a backlog I've ordered 2 sample packs from MVJ in the last two weeks and got them right away. Seems like they don't make a bad juice they are the real deal when it comes to natural tobacco, only one I'm not thrilled with is summer pipe.

I know exactly what you are saying outright and what your are peripherally saying. Dig though, I am on the same page with you (literally and figuratively). It is what it is and we may never know exactly what it really is.

Please read this blog entry of mine from almost a year ago: An Open Letter to DIYers

 

[regal55]

I know exactly what you are saying outright and what your are peripherally saying. Dig though, I am on the same page with you (literally and metaphorically). It is what it is and we may never know exactly what it really is.

Please read this blog entry of mine from almost a year ago: An Open Letter to DIYers

Great read and my thoughts exactly, good thing smoking didn't totally destroy my sense of taste and smell 'cause I still know real tobacco when I taste it. Isn't that ironic?