Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

Yes, I agree. While I am sympathetic to Clay's plight---Life can whack any of us very hard, and at any time---his response to customers, or rather, his lack of what I consider a proper and much-needed response, has continued to the point where I am no longer inclined to cut him slack.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have never ordered from N-E-T.com, so I haven't suffered any personal inconvenience. But the topic is ongoing on the thread and has been for months now. Many NETizens here have been loyal and supportive, often above and beyond the call of duty.

Enough is enough. Clay needs to step up to the plate. Should he stop taking orders? I don't know enough about his personal situation to feel one way or the other about that particular remedy. But he should do something, and more than he's done. Any of various strategies would help---allowing only a certain number of orders per day, or allowing ordering at only certain times, whatever.

Clay is now the poster child for why I have no wish to become a vendor. The situation with N-E-T.com may not be the worst-case scenario---that would be his vanishing with the money from a thousand unfilled orders and never being heard from again---but it's far from acceptable.

Strangely enough, the troubles at N-E-T.com are part of what motivated me to begin more actively sharing my homemade NET extracts and juices with my compatriots here, and that development has been altogether positive for me. So, I guess it's an ill wind that blows no good.

It's a crying shame really. I have experienced the aggravation, disillusionment and finally, anger of losing money on a large order that was never sent a couple of years ago with another vendor. It's a double whammy of the disappointment of not getting juices one was really looking forward to and losing money if the order never ends up being sent.

I was VERY lucky with NET. Com. I put in 4 orders during the first 3-4 months of their operation and got my orders within 14 days every time (I am in Australia) with my last order being just weeks before everything changed. I feel sorry for the many who wait and wait and wait.

I guess the most difficult consequence with the demise of NET.com is getting the feeling of 'who can you trust'. Having Clay disappear, not answer emails and take months to send orders would be the most counter intuitive thing you would ever expect . Was there ever a more prompt, reliable, conscientious, service oriented vendor who so tirelessly made sure his customers were satisfied to the nth degree? Who could have imagined it?

There is no doubt about it. Something outside the control of Clays circumstances has befallen him to have so drastically gone from an impeccable customer focussed vendor to an entirely neglectful and absent one.

As someone who has come to respect and admire Clay, I can only feel sympathy and concern given this unusual change in his business operation.

I sent Clay a Facebook message a few weeks ago expressing concern and he did not respond. THAT concerns me. In the past whenever I sent messages to him he would respond with twice the energy I did, not missing a single beat. I don't exaggerate when I say this but Clays customer service exceeded the norm. Not only did he fill orders, respond to emails and cater to every concern he also often had a sixth sense about what a customer wanted. He sometimes beat me to the punch, knowing what I wanted before I even asked for it. I am sure we have all experienced this with Clay in the first 3-4 months.

Believe me when I tell you, that the inconvenience you suffer for a late order or unanswered email is Clays great remorse.

I pray whatever it is that has spelled the demise of his business clears up soon.


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[Mr.Mann]

Great read and my thoughts exactly, good thing smoking didn't totally destroy my sense of taste and smell 'cause I still know real tobacco when I taste it. Isn't that ironic?

I've learned that sometimes you just know what you know and roll with it, but don't roll it up! Just today I had the fight the urge to make a post about diacetyl on a forum where the most popular liquid is custard-types. How well do you thing that would've gone over? Not too well I imagine. Making a post about ultra-low sub-ohming being risky on a SoCal forum? Not gonna happen.

Knowing where you are makes passing on such topics a no-brainer, that is, unless you are just in the mood for friction.

Lastly, since we are talking to each other on some nanu nanu stuff, know that it is still not as cut and dried as you may think, and that's why this thread has somewhat lenient standards (as it should) for what constitutes a natural tobacco liquid. In some cases I think some liquids are left out that ^could be included per those standards--but nicotine serving to meet that standard is not in that group of outcasts!

 

[POTENTCITY]

reason why I always order sample bottles before big orders - to me a 15ml is considered sample bottle really . unfort im in the same boat dude took my money and im still waiting . I don't want to hear other peoples problems because I have enough of my own , he shouldn't be taking any orders if he is going thru "personal issues" to me and many others he/she is just someone not to trust I wouldn't vape his juice even if I get it tomorrow and im talking about naturally-extracted-tobacco.com

 

[Mr.Mann]

reason why I always order sample bottles before big orders - to me a 15ml is considered sample bottle really . unfort im in the same boat dude took my money and im still waiting . I don't want to hear other peoples problems because I have enough of my own , he shouldn't be taking any orders if he is going thru "personal issues" to me and many others he/she is just someone not to trust I wouldn't vape his juice even if I get it tomorrow and im talking about naturally-extracted-tobacco.com

I don't blame you one bit! As a matter of fact, I would suggest that the second you get that order you put it up here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...atural-extracted-tobacco-pif-swap-thread.html

Just jiving with you. Sorry you have to go though this though. But, luckily, we are not restricted to ordering from one vendor to receive quality natural tobacco liquids. Hell, if you let us know what you ordered and what you are interested in, you may end on the come-up. Stick around.

 

[POTENTCITY]

I don't blame you one bit! As a matter of fact, I would suggest that the second you get that order you put it up here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...atural-extracted-tobacco-pif-swap-thread.html

Just jiving with you. Sorry you have to go though this though. But, luckily, we are not restricted to ordering from one vendor to receive quality natural tobacco liquids. Hell, if you let us know what you ordered and what you are interested in, you may end on the come-up. Stick around.

In my mind if the man is taking orders while in a tuff situation I doubt he is putting his all and best into his juices at the moment and wouldn't recommend anyone to try his liquids and I will sell his stuff if I ever get it lol luckly I can laugh about it im sure others cant.
I started out wanting a good tobacco vape I tried a few but they all were more like a cigar or strong ... tobacco I never smoked on nor liked, I used to smoke Marlboro's red . now im vaping a lot of gourmet flavors FIVEPAWNS GRANDMASTER , FEW OF BRYCE E LIQUIDS.
but I find myself stressed sometimes and wanting that tobacco taste not that good desert taste lol so im back on the hunt . Recently got my hands on a gourmet type tobacco NECTAR by NECKBEARDS I dripped a few drops sampled it first day and it tasted pretty good the tobacco isn't a cigar type flavor it was light im letting it steep for a week or two with some shakes inbetween. im looking for tobacco vapes most seem to be cigar type

 

[Dustmight]

Just a little theorizing while were on the subject of Clay and NET.com…

As someone who runs a one-man business, I like Clay, am (was, in his case) obsessed with good communication. My first NETs were from him and before I figured out the whole home extraction thing, I had numerous phone calls with him on doing custom extractions for me. He was always on the ball, as Anthony mentioned, often calling or emailing with his thoughts on my projects. It makes me wonder (all issues and gripes acknowledged and validated) if he has someone else running the business and fulfilling orders in his stead. It would be almost impossible for me to ignore people If I were even remotely involved. It's really had for me to imagine him personally ignoring all communication. Again, not an advisable way of doing things, but a possible scenario for what's currently and unfortunately playing out.

Another thought…perhaps for those lurking this thread for info, an "order at your own risk" note can be added to his section of the first post, as 4-6 weeks seems nebulous at this point anyway. Obviously Clay should be handling his own biz communicating with customers, but it might be helpful for fellow forum folk not up to speed on the current issues.

As I said, I like the guy and love his product, but I'd not recommend anyone order at this point. Perhaps speaking with our $$$ will get the point across that this aint cool.

 

[regal55]

I've learned that sometimes you just know what you know and roll with it, but don't roll it up! Just today I had the fight the urge to make a post about diacetyl on a forum where the most popular liquid is custard-types. How well do you thing that would've gone over? Not too well I imagine. Making a post about ultra-low sub-ohming being risky on a SoCal forum? Not gonna happen.

Knowing where you are makes passing on such topics a no-brainer, that is, unless you are just in the mood for friction. Which can be fun.

Lastly, since we are talking to each other on some nanu nanu stuff, know that it is still not as cut and dried as you may think, and that's why this thread has somewhat lenient standards (as it should) for what constitutes a natural tobacco liquid. In some cases I think some liquids are left out that ^could be included per those standards--but nicotine serving to meet that standard is not in that group of outcasts!

I think the foundation of the internet is to express your opinions about these sort of things,, if you've been with it since the beginning you know what I mean. There was a time when the internet really helped stop scams. But I was on bbs's in the 80's so I'm probably an extremist.

 

[AnthonyB]

Jefs,

I was supposed to quote this and say 'you are so right! This is a clean, crisp and cigarette like extraction' until I noticed that the liquid I thought you were referring to was the Air-Cured Burley and that is the one I tried and am vaping now in accordance with my misread of your post. I have the sun cured Turkish as well and will give that a try soon but for now I just want to make a few comments on Air Cured burley:

And I know that there is a possible risk of causing dismay by discussing with praise, the liquids that so many are waiting on, or refuse to order having decided that they won't wait around that long. I apologize for that in advance. The need to not tease anyone current in the wait or who suffers disappointment because they have chosen not to order competes with my desire not to suppress my commentary on any of the many NET.com liquids I have in my possession and to share views with those that do have the same liquids.

The air-cured burley is quite a surprise to me. When I ordered the 6 varietals it was probably the least anticipated for me. I added it for completion mainly. I decided to vape it having mistaken it for the juice I thought Jefs was referring to.

This is a light, clean, crisp and refreshing analog-cigarette-like vape. Very satisfying, dry, lively. It reminds me so much of the Mild Seven (now named Mevius) cigarettes I used to enjoy which had a light grassiness to the tobacco. I often expect a burley to have a full bodied grassy flavour to it, but this air cured burley by NET.com has a lively light grassiness to it similar to certain types of analog cigarette, and in particular, to Mild Sevens.

This one is definitely one of the most realistic analog cigarette vapes I've had even though it was not created with the purpose of it being an analog experience. I used to smoke cigarettes that appeared to have more virginia than burley but the ones I was smoking recently, which made it so difficult to kick the habit completely, had the light twang of burley coming through the virginia, which I attribute, quite haphazardly to the extraordinary processes of fermenting clean tobacco by the Japanese compared to the virginia based sticks that used to make me cough before.

Well this air cured burley liquid by NET.come is such a close approximation of that. Mixing 30% unflavored Whole Tobacco Alkaloid ("WTA") to 70% air cured burley by NET.com bears a striking resemblance to the analog experience for me. It's almost a dead ringer to my senses.

Overall, this juice is probably most suited to mixing with stronger varietals to add some body and lessen the boldness of a stronger varietal like a solid perique or even a hard hitting cigar flavour. But what really excites me is the idea of blending it with some good quality flavourful artisan synthetics like Castle Long or Pluid to add some tobacco presence to those juices. It might or not work but it's worth a try.

In any event, this is good on its own especially as an analog cigarette experience.

So let me start again and talk about the intended target of my taste test in line with Jefs post - the Sun Cured Turkish by NET.com which i stuck in a taste testing atomizer as I was typing up the above.

Jefs, you are quite right. This liquid too is a humdinger for a cigarette extraction. It tastes a lot like my former abovementioned preferred cigarette which was benson and hedges. B & H had more of a virginia leaning than a burley leaning (even though this is a Turkish tobacco).

Your description is spot on Jefs, so there is not much more I can add except to say that I have not spent much time with NET.com's varietals over the last couple of months and am sure glad I was tipped off to them now. They are wonderful.

That is what i love about this thread. It informs my vaping choices and infuses those choices with enthusiastic anticipation before I reach for the bottle.

Well, I finally cracked open the tiny sample bottle of NET.com's single varietal, Sun Cured Turkish, 70PG/30VG, Heat extracted, 15mg nicotine that was part of a PIF. I just kept forgetting about the tiny bottle hidden behind the Coventry and GOLD and Black Cavendish. It was originally mixed on 10/06/2013. I assumed that it would be like all of the other Turkish eliquids I've sampled: a bit bland, light and dry but not what I always thought a good Turkish might taste like -- or what I've had previously, like a stout Camel unfiltered.

Was I ever wrong! Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com's Sun Cured Turkish was the single Turkish liquid I had assumed they all would taste like. Rich, robust, dry TOBACCO -- almost like a faded cigar, that bite to the leaf, tans and golds. And as the cotton dries out on the .9 ohms micro-coil, it tastes like a real cigarette. The single most enjoyable dry hit I've ever experienced in the year of vaping.

The weird thing is: when the wick is freshly dripped, there is almost a hint of soap to the tobacco; a strange, potent flavor that quickly dissipates and unfolds into the desert tapestry of the leaves. It bites, then seemingly melts in your mouth, drenching you with flavor.

It's the Turkish to end all desert quests.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Just a little theorizing while were on the subject of Clay and NET.com…

As someone who runs a one-man business, I like Clay, am (was, in his case) obsessed with good communication. My first NETs were from him and before I figured out the whole home extraction thing, I had numerous phone calls with him on doing custom extractions for me. He was always on the ball, as Anthony mentioned, often calling or emailing with his thoughts on my projects. It makes me wonder (all issues and gripes acknowledged and validated) if he has someone else running the business and fulfilling orders in his stead. It would be almost impossible for me to ignore people If I were even remotely involved. It's really had for me to imagine him personally ignoring all communication. Again, not an advisable way of doing things, but a possible scenario for what's currently and unfortunately playing out.

Another thought…perhaps for those lurking this thread for info, an "order at your own risk" note can be added to his section of the first post, as 4-6 weeks seems nebulous at this point anyway. Obviously Clay should be handling his own biz communicating with customers, but it might be helpful for fellow forum folk not up to speed on the current issues.

As I said, I like the guy and love his product, but I'd not recommend anyone order at this point. Perhaps speaking with our $$$ will get the point across that this aint cool.

Yeah, see, I don't mind it being discussed, but find the fact people ordered before me by a month still haven't gotten their orders a hefty consideration for a charge reversal.

I really, really hate to say this. But, I'll do it if it breaks the 8-10 week barrier and I get no communication.

Here's the thing, and as someone who is highly qualified with personal experience with customers and gets along with 99% of them; Communication is key. Unless, of course, you want to piss everyone who deals with you off, then by all means- go for it.

Not saying this is what the deal is, but...you know, a lot of people are taking to their facebook page and flat-out calling it 'a scam'.

There needs to be official responses and a ban to new orders for the moment.


(EDIT: even BWB does this when they "reach their quota")

This is getting out of hand.

Jefs,

I was supposed to quote this and say 'you are so right! This is a clean, crisp and cigarette like extraction' until I noticed that the liquid I thought you were referring to was the Air-Cured Burley and that is the one I tried and am vaping now in accordance with my misread of your post. I have the sun cured Turkish as well and will give that a try soon but for now I just want to make a few comments on Air Cured burley:

And I know that there is a possible risk of causing dismay by discussing with praise, the liquids that so many are waiting on, or refuse to order having decided that they won't wait around that long. I apologize for that in advance. The need to not tease anyone current in the wait or who suffers disappointment because they have chosen not to order competes with my desire not to suppress my commentary on any of the many NET.com liquids I have in my possession and to share views with those that do have the same liquids.

The air-cured burley is quite a surprise to me. When I ordered the 6 varietals it was probably the least anticipated for me. I added it for completion mainly. I decided to vape it having mistaken it for the juice I thought Jefs was referring to.

This is a light, clean, crisp and refreshing analog-cigarette-like vape. Very satisfying, dry, lively. It reminds me so much of the Mild Seven (now named Mevius) cigarettes I used to enjoy which had a light grassiness to the tobacco. I often expect a burley to have a full bodied grassy flavour to it, but this air cured burley by NET.com has a lively light grassiness to it similar to certain types of analog cigarette, and in particular, to Mild Sevens.

This one is definitely one of the most realistic analog cigarette vapes I've had even though it was not created with the purpose of it being an analog experience. I used to smoke cigarettes that appeared to have more virginia than burley but the ones I was smoking recently, which made it so difficult to kick the habit completely, had the light twang of burley coming through the virginia, which I attribute, quite haphazardly to the extraordinary processes of fermenting clean tobacco by the Japanese compared to the virginia based sticks that used to make me cough before.

Well this air cured burley liquid by NET.come is such a close approximation of that. Mixing 30% unflavored Whole Tobacco Alkaloid ("WTA") to 70% air cured burley by NET.com bears a striking resemblance to the analog experience for me. It's almost a dead ringer to my senses.

Overall, this juice is probably most suited to mixing with stronger varietals to add some body and lessen the boldness of a stronger varietal like a solid perique or even a hard hitting cigar flavour. But what really excites me is the idea of blending it with some good quality flavourful artisan synthetics like Castle Long or Pluid to add some tobacco presence to those juices. It might or not work but it's worth a try.

In any event, this is good on its own especially as an analog cigarette experience.

My personal inn

So let me start again and talk about the intended target of my taste test in line with Jefs post - the Sun Cured Turkish by NET.com which i stuck in a taste testing atomizer as I was typing up the above.

Jefs, you are quite right. This liquid too is a humdinger for a cigarette extraction. It tastes a lot my former abovementioned preferred cigarette which was benson and hedges that had more of a virginia leaning than a burley leaning (even though this is a Turkish tobacco).

Your description is spot on Jefs, so there is not much more I can add except to say that I have not spent much time with NET.com's varietals over the last couple of months and am sure glad I was tipped off to them now. They are wonderful.

That is what i love about this thread. It informs my vaping choices and infuses those choices with enthusiastic anticipation before I reach for the bottle.

Don't apologize, Anthony. This is just furthering my desire to go DIY and take matters into my own hands, so to speak- that way, if I screw up a juice or extraction; it's my own .... for doing it incorrectly.

This is actually inspiring me to carefully pick out a tobacco to start with for an extraction- I'm a big fan of both pipe tobaccos and fine cigars, but I really dig things out of the ordinary.

I'm going to pick out some good tobaccos to start with, the Bombay is one of them. I am simply using all of the discussion here as not just excellent reading/reviews, but as a starting basis for "What would be a good ADV for me to extract?" simultaneously.

I'm starting to dig the Captain Black Royal, even at MvJ's percentages. But I'm still a "this needs some punch to it" kinda guy.

Right now, I'm sitting back, relaxing with some MvJ, and pondering what I think is worthy of a good extraction, be it Bombay or "Snickerdoodle Cavendish Knock Yo Socks Off Pow Blam Blend", or whatever.

I already know the method(s) I wish to use, and the sources and math for the nicotine I need to adjust the ratio properly. PG is easy to come by, and so is VG. This is going to be a lot cheaper than paying for someone else to do it- no offense to any DIY'er, NET vendor, or otherwise- if it weren't for you guys, I never would have even considered actually doing this, let alone actually picking out a tobacco I can't get at the local Low Ball Louie's (overpriced Tobacconist) to extract.

 

[Jerms]

Vaping Sahara Blend from Ahl in my Trident dripper, and really liking what it's doing to the flavor.

Dripper size has an effect on how 'saturated' or 'amplified' the flavor is; smaller=stronger, larger=lighter. I have three sizes I use. The smallest ones I use most for best flavor: IGO-S, ERA, Cyclone, A6. Next up is my Atomic, a little bigger, but flavor difference is barely noticable (it's my personal fav). Lastly, the Trident, which isn't much bigger than the Atomic but the lighter flavor is noticable, so no subtle juices in it.

Anyways, I wanted to vape Sahara, but I wasn't really in the mood for too much of it's synthetic bite, so I thought to try it in my lightest flavor maker, the Trident. Happily, it's working great. Some of the subtleties are less sharp, but the overall taste is more pleasant at this moment. Kind of giving a new life to my Sahara.

 

[AnthonyB]

Potentcity,

I agree with you completely. We all have problems and it doesn't serve as an excuse that you should be affected by a vendor's personal problems. I am just making commentary having known the guy right from the outset. Others have known him longer.

To those who have known him, it is apparent there is a good reason he won't or CAN'T process orders beyond the kinds of suspicions one might have about a vendor who is not processing orders. This was a vendor who was impeccable in his customer service. This was a man who never.missed.a.beat with his customers. He would answer your queries, send out your order, and never ignore an email. If he ever was a moments late to respond or a day late to get an order out he would apologize and rectify the problem immediately and throw in a few extra bottles for free to make up for his own perceived shortcomings (which most of the time would not have been seen as shortcomings or inadequacies in most vendor's parameters for what is good or bad customer service).

He was as honest as they come too. That sounds like a biased tout but I think others can testify to this as well. He didn't overstate his products, make false claims nor make promises who couldn't keep. He said he was going to make my rum rebellion and he did it, he said he was going to make BJ's Blackberry burley and he did it, he said he was going to release 6 tobacco varietals and he released 6 tobacco varietals. When he said he was going to make a particular seasonal offering it would be up on the site in the next few weeks.

In fact, not only was he honest, he was quite humble and self critical and would rely on that feedback to make the next batch better than the one before. He was a dedicated naturally extracted tobacco maker who was catering to a discerning and intelligent customer base, made up greatly of people he knew before he went into his business, people who frequent to this thread now who are very astute, ardent and critical NET connoisseurs. That was where his benchmark needed to be set.

He was heads and shoulders above most vendors when it came to customer service and care. He thought about everything before he even ventured into this business. His cold/heat maceration selections (the first NET vendor to offer that choice and still the only vendor who does), custom made extracts innovations, requests for new liquids, flavour infusions or blends from customers (he made AnthonyB's Rum Rebellion upon my request for a rum tobacco and he has done the same for others), choice of bottling (glass or plastic), packaging, he thought of everything like someone who was in the mindset of a long term going concern business.

Right up to his sudden disappearance and late order filling he was in the process of designing a new range of liquids. I don't know what sort of timeframe it was but he sent me, and possibly others, beta versions of Green Leaf Apple tobacco and cedar river maple tobacco (not sure if they made it to the order list). His enterprise was still in its youthful ebullience and he was full of energy with ideas. It couldn't have been much long after that things changed so suddenly, and it did change suddenly, almost like someone flicking a switch. None of us that knew him or his business operational behaviour could have suspected it.

The last time I spoke with him he was considering macerating a cigar by request for me and then, 'poof' nothing. Soon after I am reading about customers disgruntled about wait times on his supplier thread.

Then suddenly, poof, gone. He is not responding to emails, not participating in his own supplier thread, not even answering Facebook messages.

I don't mean to be an alarmist but it's got to be something serious. The reasons are most likely nothing to do with human foibles or laziness or a greedy last grab for money from a vendor who has lost the drive to produce but has let orders flow through anyway.

None of this makes it any easier on people like yourself who has ordered and not received his juices. I don't expect it to. You are quite right to feel hard done by and your timing is terribly unfortunate.

I am just offering some context and perspective here. Anyone who is raising complaints on other forums, or this forum, are doing so quite justifiably, however, you are not dealing with a crooked vendor, or a lazy vendor, or an absent minded vendor who lacks the ability to communicate, much less one who doesn't know how important it is to communicate. This vendor knows the importance of communication probably better than most of us do because he applied it so well in his dealings before the business went belly up.

What I am trying to say is that you are dealing with a vendor who is very sick, going through some kind of debilitating personal crisis, heck you could be dealing with a dead vendor though I doubt it.

All that aside, something must be done to STOP people putting in orders until the situation is rectified.

I agree with dustmight - if NET.com is represented on that front page of this thread with no such warning or notice of the state of NET.com's business, then I think we are doing a disservice to the people who share a common love of tobacco extractions with us and rely on the information they get from this thread.

Do those of us who are long term regulars have some kind of community responsibility in the thread that is usually the domain of moderators? Given that there has been a communal decision made to advertise the consensus rating of each NET vendor, I think so.

Regards

reason why I always order sample bottles before big orders - to me a 15ml is considered sample bottle really . unfort im in the same boat dude took my money and im still waiting . I don't want to hear other peoples problems because I have enough of my own , he shouldn't be taking any orders if he is going thru "personal issues" to me and many others he/she is just someone not to trust I wouldn't vape his juice even if I get it tomorrow and im talking about naturally-extracted-tobacco.com

 

[rdsok]

Like AnthonyB.... at this point I'm more concerned about Clay as the person... than Clay as a businessman... it is so unlike him. I so hope he is ok despite the business issues.

Still... I can't in good conscience recommend him at this time.

 

[jefsview]

Anthony: glad you enjoyed both of the single varietals The Air Cured Burley sounds tasty in it's own right, and the exact opposite of the Fire Cured Burley which is a Slap-Your-Momma, grow hair on your chest, pitbull of a liquid It's got some bite to it.

I felt the same as you about writing up a review in light of the circumstances surrounding NET.com, but I needed to complete the process since all of the NET.com liquids were graciously donated to me from several NETizens. The least I could do is show my appreciation to both the vendor and my benefactors by contributing a review for the thread.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Thanks for the insight, everyone.

I don't want my previous post to come off as, "I'm so mad about (insert purchase/delay here) I'm making my own juice".

I am worried about Clay, being that I have a little bit of info on who he is and how he ended up doing what he's doing.

It's just....well.... I'm pretty broke lately (ha, in more ways than one if you include my shoulder! ), and if the order isn't here in two months, I'll need the money back to make my own juice.

I'm still having a fit with the bleeming hospital trying to get a doctor to actually fix my shoulder due to their malpractice (yes, it was malpractice. You don't send someone home with a fractured/dislocated shoulder and not tell them about it) and continued issues.

Heck, I'm happy when I coil a wick that works, and trying out Balkan and Bombay was quite literally amazing.

I'll wait for Clay, but I would sincerely appreciate him posting something regarding what's up.

Heck, I know enough about HTML I could probably do it myself.

Hit me up, Clay, if you're reading this.

I've got a now chronically-dislocated shoulder. Nobody needs this kind of pain- Johnny Walker can't numb it; it's like being kicked in the nether regions spreading all through your arm and into your back.

Clay, if you're feelin' too bad to respond.... please, get better.

...and brother, trust me when I understand that I know what you're going through.

They even "forgot" to give me pain pills and said to put ice on my elbow.

Huh...

Thank ya. That's all for now.

 

[Ian444]

This is actually inspiring me to carefully pick out a tobacco to start with for an extraction- I'm a big fan of both pipe tobaccos and fine cigars, but I really dig things out of the ordinary.

I'm going to pick out some good tobaccos to start with, the Bombay is one of them. I am simply using all of the discussion here as not just excellent reading/reviews, but as a starting basis for "What would be a good ADV for me to extract?" simultaneously.

I'm starting to dig the Captain Black Royal, even at MvJ's percentages. But I'm still a "this needs some punch to it" kinda guy.

Right now, I'm sitting back, relaxing with some MvJ, and pondering what I think is worthy of a good extraction, be it Bombay or "Snickerdoodle Cavendish Knock Yo Socks Off Pow Blam Blend", or whatever.

I already know the method(s) I wish to use, and the sources and math for the nicotine I need to adjust the ratio properly. PG is easy to come by, and so is VG. This is going to be a lot cheaper than paying for someone else to do it- no offense to any DIY'er, NET vendor, or otherwise- if it weren't for you guys, I never would have even considered actually doing this, let alone actually picking out a tobacco I can't get at the local Low Ball Louie's (overpriced Tobacconist) to extract.

I have felt for the last few weeks that there is now a turning point, where people will start doing there own extractions in ever-increasing numbers. It is already shown that it is a simple process, and it is also shown that home extractors are achieving results on par with commercial vendors, in some cases even better results. I have also seen more enquiries from people starting extractions (in this thread and other threads), and feel that home extraction will snowball from now onwards.

I have only recently started extracting, and in the last few weeks I have come to the conclusion that there is little chance I will be doing any more orders from commercial vendors, I would rather put the money into tobacco for extractions, the hit/miss ratio is higher and the results have been very pleasing and satisfying. I couldn't have done it without the help of the Big Four and Miss Scarf-Ace, and all that help is in print right here in the e-liquid forums.

A useful thread for first-time extractors would be one where extractors list the tobacco's they have extracted, with a very short description of the method and results, and a simple score out of 10. This might take some of the agony out of choosing the first tobaccos to extract, and give new extractors an even better chance of great results right off the bat. I've been thinking about starting a thread like this lately, any feedback on this idea is welcome. If anyone likes the idea and wishes to start such a thread, please do, I will contribute.

Anyway, back to regular juice reviews/vendor discussion...

Regarding NETcom I find their juices to be very true with good quality tobacco content and well-extracted. The only notice you get from them besides receiving the order is the shipping notice, once you get that you're set. 6 weeks has been standard for some time, last time I looked. I agree, put a note on the first page to this effect, the time spent waiting is really getting up some or most people's noses.

 

[regal55]

Thanks for the insight, everyone.

I don't want my previous post to come off as, "I'm so mad about (insert purchase/delay here) I'm making my own juice".

I am worried about Clay, being that I have a little bit of info on who he is and how he ended up doing what he's doing.

It's just....well.... I'm pretty broke lately (ha, in more ways than one if you include my shoulder! ), and if the order isn't here in two months, I'll need the money back to make my own juice.

I'm still having a fit with the bleeming hospital trying to get a doctor to actually fix my shoulder due to their malpractice (yes, it was malpractice. You don't send someone home with a fractured/dislocated shoulder and not tell them about it) and continued issues.

Heck, I'm happy when I coil a wick that works, and trying out Balkan and Bombay was quite literally amazing.

I'll wait for Clay, but I would sincerely appreciate him posting something regarding what's up.

Heck, I know enough about HTML I could probably do it myself.

Hit me up, Clay, if you're reading this.

I've got a now chronically-dislocated shoulder. Nobody needs this kind of pain- Johnny Walker can't numb it; it's like being kicked in the nether regions spreading all through your arm and into your back.

Clay, if you're feelin' too bad to respond.... please, get better.

...and brother, trust me when I understand that I know what you're going through.

They even "forgot" to give me pain pills and said to put ice on my elbow.

Huh...

Thank ya. That's all for now.

Have you seen the episode of modern family where the Columbian wife dislocates her shoulder, I won't go into more detail but its funny. But chronic pain is no laughing matter, I had a bad injury and have been a chronic pain patient for 25 years now. Nicotine and (the other alkaloids I suspect) helps, I read a paper the AMA buried quickly about it. Best advice is to find the right doctor who isn't afraid to prescribe the right medicine. Good luck and happy vaping, things will get better when you get a good neurologist or even anesthesiologist.


Been vaping MVJ Cocoa Blend with a cheap little Nemisis mod wetup for a 18350 battery, the hand to mouth motion, the steam its all so cigar like its hard to describe but I know this with natural tobacco's and even WTA's I no longer fire and it feels great.

 

[boomerdude]

I wrote a few pages back about a source for Caribbean tobaccos. Whole Leaf Tobacco has what I am looking for with Cohiba, Cubana and several more. They are a bit expensive, especially if you want them shredded. Still, I would really like to add more single varietals to my stock. These folks have leaves for wrapping your own cigars. Maduro, Connecticut, Dominican Filler, etc. They even sell a few casing concentrates.

 

[shatner]

I could have sworn I posted this, but I can't find it.

The new RBFS Petner's Pipe and Admiral Pipe are freaking delicious! They blow the other RBFS out of the water, pun intended. I'm pretty sick of RY4s, but KilleR Y4 is pretty dang good, too. There's a quality about it that other NET RY4s just don't have.

Brian is a true master when it comes to translating tobacco in to e-juice. I can't wait until his other new flavors are released. I'm particularly interested in the caramel tobacco.

Has anyone else tried his new stuff?

Also, how do I acquire some of these home brew NETs from La CosaNETstra?

 

[Mr.Mann]

I could have sworn I posted this, but I can't find it.

The new RBFS Petner's Pipe and Admiral Pipe are freaking delicious! They blow the other RBFS out of the water, pun intended. I'm pretty sick of RY4s, but KilleR Y4 is pretty dang good, too. There's a quality about it that other NET RY4s just don't have.

Brian is a true master when it comes to translating tobacco in to e-juice. I can't wait until his other new flavors are released. I'm particularly interested in the caramel tobacco.

Has anyone else tried his new stuff?

Also, how do I acquire some of these home brew NETs from La CosaNETstra?

Yes, I do like his new liquids, but I don't have KRY4 or Petner's Pipe (though I do have Admiral's Pipe). From what I have vs. what you have, it seems to me that Brian's line is expanding quickly.

 

[Jerms]

I could have sworn I posted this, but I can't find it.

The new RBFS Petner's Pipe and Admiral Pipe are freaking delicious! They blow the other RBFS out of the water, pun intended. I'm pretty sick of RY4s, but KilleR Y4 is pretty dang good, too. There's a quality about it that other NET RY4s just don't have.

Brian is a true master when it comes to translating tobacco in to e-juice. I can't wait until his other new flavors are released. I'm particularly interested in the caramel tobacco.

Has anyone else tried his new stuff?

Also, how do I acquire some of these home brew NETs from La CosaNETstra?

Saweet! Brian said he'll shoot some of the new ones my way soon so I'm pretty excited about that.

Petner's Pipe is interesting. Rum raisin pipe tobacco seems outside my comfort zone, but it may surprise me like how Pirate's being a rum and maple turned out to be one of my favs. Admiral's Pipe looks like something I'd really dig, and I love a well-done RY4 NET so excited about that one too.

The caramel tobacco must be one that VW hasn't put up yet for whatever reason. I'm also pretty interested in that one. Honestly though, as much as I love the original line-up, I'm pretty interested in anything Brian releases.