Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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That's strange, since Voodoo didn't need the breathing -- Southern Classic does. In fact, I had received an advance tester bottle of Halo's Voodoo before the description was even on the website, and I dove right in. I thought it was a chocolate banana vapeI put it aside and let it breath overnight and came back to it, and then the white grape and black currant (otherwise known as "berry flavor") revealed itself, along with the touch of cinnamon and Madagascar vanilla. It took a while to pick up any plum notes, and I usually get that flavor from NETs pretty quickly.
While Voodoo, in my experience, didn't really need the breathing like SC did, it helped bring out the true flavors. Occasionally I'll get those chocolate notes, but they are like a unicorn. Voodoo was a great teacher for me, since it is highly complex flavor-wise. And because I enjoyed it, I my vaping journey changed as much as the first time I tried NET, and then again with HHV Heavenly Army (dessert-type sweetness). I still enjoy Halo's Voodoo and Southern Classic, I just can't vape them for long because of the high PG content. Just kills my throat.
Hopefully it'll turn around for you, Jerms.
Well shucks, I thought Voodoo needed the breathing. May just not be a flavor for me. Could turn around still, I want to like it. Oddly, Southern Classic is perfect for me without airing out.
Funny you mention chocolate, because the smell brought to mind Halo's Cafe Mocha for me. I could taste it too under the notes that are odd to me. Then I checked out the site and they say nothing about the coffee mocha for voodoo, no chocolate or coffee, instead it's.. black currant, grape, plum, cinnamon, and vanilla?? If you say so Halo lol. Maybe those will show for me later.
Southern classic tastes like the description to me, and also tastes like an arti-bacco. Voodoo.. nope and nope (for now).
I thought you'd be all over the Confederate and St. Stevens for sure.
Halo sends a card telling you to go capless at least 24 hours. It is definitely necessary in every way.
On a different topic, has anybody had a flavor go flat half way through a tank? I'm experiencing that right now. I loaded a flavor and puffed half a tank. Then suddenly the flavor just went flat. I thought it was just me and decided to set it aside. I woke up this morning and tried again after breakfast and coffee. The flavor is still flat and completely different.
Dusty,
Unless any in your kitty are 'steeped to perfection' I think they will all have an abstract, diffuse flavour to them. You know, it always concerns me when juices still have almost no definable flavour after 3 weeks. I have found in my experience that this usually means one of two things. 1) They are going to flourish into amazing juices or 2) They have already reached close to their full steep and won't amount to much generally.
I am slightly concerned about these MVJ cigars I have. I have not given them a taste in a week but at last check I really was still not getting anything from most of them apart from a vague cigar flavour. This is with the exception of the 5 Cask Gold Vegas and Drew Estate Toasted Cavendish. I have not tried all of the liquids I purchased in that order yet but I figured that once I found 4 or 5 of them still not showing any sign of blossoming, there was no point trying the rest of them.
I have put them back in the steep draw. I am guessing these are going to take a while to steep. Maybe 2-3 months. I can also only give a amateurish guess at why they would take so long and that would be because I believe that with such a clean filtration that Diane uses, it would take a long time for the compounds in the extracts to fully permeate the PG/VG. But who knows?
Right now, I am crossing my fingers that something does actually happen to these juices beyond the vague diffuse cigar flavours I am getting from them.
I have only one cigar in the 'steeped to perfection' range and that is the Ramon Bueso Genesis. I like it. It has a cigar flavour and is quite defined but I am often searching for the flavour. It has all day credibility and the more mouthfuls I have of it the more I am consumed with a cigar flavour from the liquid. As soon as I alternate with another more flavourful liquid of any type, that distant cigar flavour seems to diminish and is overpowered by the other flavour I am vaping.
I have the Ashton Pipe in the pipe blends which is steeped to perfection and so far it is the only liquid in that order that is shining to a good degree on par with the tobacco impact and flavour intensity of NETS offered by other Tier-A vendors.
I am pleased I had the correct instinct to order all of my MVJ with extra flavour shots and I would highly recommend anyone putting in an order with MyVapeJuice go with the extra flavour shot without hesitation.
I have a feeling Diane might need to do some tweaking and perhaps filter a touch less but perhaps I am being presumptious and these liquids will start to really shine soon.
By the way Dusty, impressive stats on your banner. I can only look at that and envy. 31,000 analogs passed up, wow! That is mind boggling.
Unless any in your kitty are 'steeped to perfection' I think they will all have an abstract, diffuse flavour to them. You know, it always concerns me when juices still have almost no definable flavour after 3 weeks. I have found in my experience that this usually means one of two things. 1) They are going to flourish into amazing juices or 2) They have already reached close to their full steep and won't amount to much generally.
I am slightly concerned about these MVJ cigars I have. I have not given them a taste in a week but at last check I really was still not getting anything from most of them apart from a vague cigar flavour. This is with the exception of the 5 Cask Gold Vegas and Drew Estate Toasted Cavendish. I have not tried all of the liquids I purchased in that order yet but I figured that once I found 4 or 5 of them still not showing any sign of blossoming, there was no point trying the rest of them.
I have put them back in the steep draw. I am guessing these are going to take a while to steep. Maybe 2-3 months. I can also only give a amateurish guess at why they would take so long and that would be because I believe that with such a clean filtration that Diane uses, it would take a long time for the compounds in the extracts to fully permeate the PG/VG. But who knows?
Right now, I am crossing my fingers that something does actually happen to these juices beyond the vague diffuse cigar flavours I am getting from them.
I have only one cigar in the 'steeped to perfection' range and that is the Ramon Bueso Genesis. I like it. It has a cigar flavour and is quite defined but I am often searching for the flavour. It has all day credibility and the more mouthfuls I have of it the more I am consumed with a cigar flavour from the liquid. As soon as I alternate with another more flavourful liquid of any type, that distant cigar flavour seems to diminish and is overpowered by the other flavour I am vaping.
I have the Ashton Pipe in the pipe blends which is steeped to perfection and so far it is the only liquid in that order that is shining to a good degree on par with the tobacco impact and flavour intensity of NETS offered by other Tier-A vendors.
I am pleased I had the correct instinct to order all of my MVJ with extra flavour shots and I would highly recommend anyone putting in an order with MyVapeJuice go with the extra flavour shot without hesitation.
I have a feeling Diane might need to do some tweaking and perhaps filter a touch less but perhaps I am being presumptious and these liquids will start to really shine soon.
By the way Dusty, impressive stats on your banner. I can only look at that and envy. 31,000 analogs passed up, wow! That is mind boggling.
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Is there any point me taste testing my 10 day windowsill cold maceration yet, because I am tempted.
Ant B,
With MVJ it takes a bit of time for your taste buds to adjust when coming off of stronger liquids. I would find it sometimes it takes drinking some water and giving a few judicious puffs over a half hour or so. MVJ can be very subtle and if you've been beating your buds with W2V or A+ aromatics it can take some time to fully get the full picture. It is about the essence of the tobacco and the exercise of your pallet and not about a full blown analog experience. Give all of the juices 4-6 weeks. If you still aren't getting what you like, pm me and we might be able to work a swap.
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I am starting to think the STP line should probably sit six weeks before being put up for sell. All of my juices from 5-5-14 are showing big gains in profile and taste at 5+ weeks.
With MVJ it takes a bit of time for your taste buds to adjust when coming off of stronger liquids. I would find it sometimes it takes drinking some water and giving a few judicious puffs over a half hour or so. MVJ can be very subtle and if you've been beating your buds with W2V or A+ aromatics it can take some time to fully get the full picture. It is about the essence of the tobacco and the exercise of your pallet and not about a full blown analog experience. Give all of the juices 4-6 weeks. If you still aren't getting what you like, pm me and we might be able to work a swap.
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I am starting to think the STP line should probably sit six weeks before being put up for sell. All of my juices from 5-5-14 are showing big gains in profile and taste at 5+ weeks.
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Anthony is right. I reported yesterday morning that the flavour in the MVJ juices I have received are very mild as well, and I asked for extra extract. I did fire up the Carlos Torano Noventa cigar last night, and it was head and shoulders above the Bourbon Whiskey pipe tobacco I tried earlier yesterday.
Both were vaped at around 11 or so watts.
It could just be that the Cigars come around faster than the pipes, but I'm curious to see how they all steep as well.
I plan on trying a KFL worth of all the juices, and then letting them steep for another month or two before going back to them.
Both were vaped at around 11 or so watts.
It could just be that the Cigars come around faster than the pipes, but I'm curious to see how they all steep as well.
I plan on trying a KFL worth of all the juices, and then letting them steep for another month or two before going back to them.
Maybe, so far Nomad's the only for sure one I want to try, not sure what else I'll end up adding to my cart. Right now I have several Latakia blends, don't really need more of those. Confederate has black cav which I'm not big on.
I know MOV changed the recipe for FVF RY4 a few months back due to diacetyl found to be in the caramel flavoring. I absolutely loved the old version, and this one not as much much. Still a great liquid, but the new caramel just does't jive as well with the Virginia as the previous. Guess there's truth to the adage that the worse it is for ya, the better it tastes.
So, that's the way I feel too!
This is complete conjecture on my part but I have noticed this with both NETs and "artificial fun flavors" as well as some Organic/Natural flavors that I have.
If I chain vape and heat up the entire "tank or RBA" of whatever I am vaping it will change the flavor profile as things are cooked. It can cause them to lose flavor intensity as well. I find this to be true with NETs as well.
Anytime I am vaping something that has a tendency to gunk I find that if the wick ever got close to dry and I build a layer of "stuff" on the coils the flavor will be flat till I rewick/clean the coils.
Could be a few different things but it is not you, it happens. Sorry I couldn't be of specific help.
The one MVJ I have from the steeped-to-perfection (STP) line is the Sun Grown Nicarao Havana cigar, mixed on 10/15. I've grabbed for it a few times, sometimes it has a nice, but light, flavor, and sometimes it's almost flavorless. My taster needs to be operating at full sensitivity to pick up it's flavors, which means many factors are at play as to whether it will work.
I haven't had enough time with the three I have to make a solid decision on them. It can be hard to grab for such subtle juices when I have so many delicious full flavored juices on hand. I will find out how well they work for me, they will be vaped because they are very vapable. I have a suspicion that in the end, the cigar NETs offered by MVJ are just too lightly flavored for my personal tastes. I've said before that while they work really well for several here, there will be many that they don't click for, and I may be one of them.
I enjoy subtle, but there's a line for me that crosses over into too subtle, and so far MVJ is toeing that line.
I haven't had enough time with the three I have to make a solid decision on them. It can be hard to grab for such subtle juices when I have so many delicious full flavored juices on hand. I will find out how well they work for me, they will be vaped because they are very vapable. I have a suspicion that in the end, the cigar NETs offered by MVJ are just too lightly flavored for my personal tastes. I've said before that while they work really well for several here, there will be many that they don't click for, and I may be one of them.
I enjoy subtle, but there's a line for me that crosses over into too subtle, and so far MVJ is toeing that line.
Halo's Shamrock tasted exactly like a thin mint cookie, but it felt like menthol. Same with GeJ's Grasshopper (RIP): it reminded me of menthol -- just the thought of inhaling mint, when it should be melting over my tongue. Just doesn't play well in my brain
I just thought the mint in Grasshopper was terrible -- not menthol-like, but a very pallid wintergreen. Every time I tried it, it was worse than the last time. I don't think it matched the tobacco in the mix well either, which didn't help.
This is complete conjecture on my part but I have noticed this with both NETs and "artificial fun flavors" as well as some Organic/Natural flavors that I have.
If I chain vape and heat up the entire "tank or RBA" of whatever I am vaping it will change the flavor profile as things are cooked. It can cause them to lose flavor intensity as well. I find this to be true with NETs as well.
Anytime I am vaping something that has a tendency to gunk I find that if the wick ever got close to dry and I build a layer of "stuff" on the coils the flavor will be flat till I rewick/clean the coils.
Could be a few different things but it is not you, it happens. Sorry I couldn't be of specific help.
The head seemed to be working fine but I switched it put. Now it is back to normal. For some reason the head just went south flavor wise. I got a bit of a burnt flavor on a puff at eight watts. I backed it down and the flavor went south.
The chocolate mint flavor just overpowered the tobacco. The mint wasn't menthol-like, but vaping mint just reminds me of menthol since menthol is usually minty flavored.
It used a really good chocolate though
I gotta take back what I said before about never leaving the cap off even if a vendor recommends it. Voodoo has changed quite significantly for me. The odder notes have faded, and the mocha isn't as strong either. It's more fruity. Feels more like an artibacco than an odd gourmet vape too. I'm curious about doing that to Southern Classic too even though I like it as is and only have a few ml left.
Has happened to me several times. Can't figure it out. I switch out to another device and the flavor is fine. Once I switch the liquid that was flat to another tank. Still flat. Go figure.
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