Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[boomerdude]

Nope. You'll just get discouraged.

On the subject of long steeping. I had a bottle of Sundancer that I made from one of Bill's extracts. At ten days steep I wasn't impressed. Just for the heck of it a couple of days ago, I gave it another shot. Two months steeping and it's another story. Not great but much better.

I think the same is going on with a bottle of Midnight from True Leaf. I gave it a negative review but I think it's coming along. I can taste Latakia and Perique, so a little more steeping and I think it may turn into a really well balanced and flavorful vape. If so, I'm gonna eat my words and fess up.

Is there any point me taste testing my 10 day windowsill cold maceration yet, because I am tempted.

 

[billherbst]

On the subject of long steeping. I had a bottle of Sundancer that I made from one of Bill's extracts. At ten days steep I wasn't impressed. Just for the heck of it a couple of days ago, I gave it another shot. Two months steeping and it's another story. Not great but much better.

boomer,

Yeah, you can steep Skydancer until the cows come home, and it'll never be great. LOL.

That was my very first maceration. I did it completely as an experiment, on the fly, using stuff I had lying around---a two-year-old pack of Skydancer Native American all-natural cigarettes that was stashed in my garage in case I relapsed from ecigs back to smoking, with tobacco that was dried out almost to the point of dessication, plus some el cheapo bleached coffee filters left by the previous tenant of my apartment that I found when I moved in back in 2008, and an old Melitta filter cone I had lying around in a storage box of old kitchen stuff. I adapted Scarfy's slow-cooker method to the warm water baths I still use today.

Even with the downsides of old, dried-out, cheap tobacco, questionable equipment, and my own ignorance, the results were good enough---not great, but encouraging---to make me want to try further extractions. And yes, the Skydancer extract is better now at 15 months than it was when fresh in March 2013. Some of the flowery perfume has faded, thank heavens, and more tobacco has peeked through.

No, I'm afraid Skydancer will never be very good. But it got me started. Now I'm an extractin' fool, working on #37. LOL.

 

[Jerms]

Sigh.. Ok, after an airing out and spending some time with Halo's Voodoo I gotta admit, it's wonderful. It's true, years later I still love Halo, King of the Lab-baccos.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

boomer,

Yeah, you can steep Skydancer until the cows come home, and it'll never be great. LOL.

That was my very first maceration. I did it completely as an experiment, on the fly, using stuff I had lying around---a two-year-old pack of Skydancer Native American all-natural cigarettes that was stashed in my garage in case I relapsed from ecigs back to smoking, with tobacco that was dried out almost to the point of dessication, plus some el cheapo bleached coffee filters left by the previous tenant of my apartment that I found when I moved in back in 2008, and an old Melitta filter cone I had lying around in a storage box of old kitchen stuff. I adapted Scarfy's slow-cooker method to the warm water baths I still use today.

Even with the downsides of old, dried-out, cheap tobacco, questionable equipment, and my own ignorance, the results were good enough---not great, but encouraging---to make me want to try further extractions. And yes, the Skydancer extract is better now at 15 months than it was when fresh in March 2013. Some of the flowery perfume has faded, thank heavens, and more tobacco has peeked through.

No, I'm afraid Skydancer will never be very good. But it got me started. Now I'm an extractin' fool, working on #37. LOL.

Ah, yes, Skydancers....

I still recall preferring NAS' Tobacco over Skydancers (Yes, I still remember what both parent analogs taste like), even though the cost is around double here, thanks to a ludicrous tobacco tax that caused RYO tobacco to skyrocket to 6.99 a pouch.

Cool to see that's what got you started though.

I would never want to see a 305 or Remington (especially those little cigars) extraction, though- so, please, nobody ever do that unless you want to work with the dried-out remnants of reprocessed sheet tobacco, swept from the floor, then intermingled with cardboard.

305's were/are terrible analogs, I shudder to think how utterly vile an extract produced from such rubbish would turn out.



I'm certain, however, that it would make your Skydancer maceration look like ambrosia in comparison.

 

[drthunder]

I just ordered patriot and analog from Goodejuice and had a couple questions. This is the first time i ever ordered NET's and i am really looking forward to them. Are these any good without steeping? Do you see any benefits with steeping these?

 

[Lavaca5]

Yeah, I had a little back and forth with Wlad about that very thing. For the most part (setting aside one bottle that was off), I just don't care for any of the Aromatics anymore. What's funny is that a couple years ago he told me that would happen, but then again, he also said one day I would dig menthol. He couldn't be right about everything! Could he? Menthol?!?!? Perish the thought!

That happened to me with Vurly. At one time, it was my favorite of the aros by far. Ordered it again a couple of months ago after a +/- 12-month hiatus, and I can't even vape it. I went around for awhile insisting that A+ had changed it; nobody could confirm that - although Mr. Mann, I believe you may have alluded to a change in process rather than a change in formula - but I have a hard time attributing such a huge difference solely to a change in personal taste.

 

[jefsview]

I just ordered patriot and analog from Goodejuice and had a couple questions. This is the first time i ever ordered NET's and i am really looking forward to them. Are these any good without steeping? Do you see any benefits with steeping these?

Goodejuice's NETs are great out of the mailbox. Analog is great as is. The only liquid from them that I let steep is Vita Bella; most others are good to go.

 

[Lavaca5]

Menthol with tobacco is blasphemy (even though my last cig brand was Pall Mall menthols lol).

That's menthol with mulch - perfectly acceptable

 

[Mr.Mann]

That happened to me with Vurly. At one time, it was my favorite of the aros by far. Ordered it again a couple of months ago after a +/- 12-month hiatus, and I can't even vape it. I went around for awhile insisting that A+ had changed it; nobody could confirm that - although Mr. Mann, I believe you may have alluded to a change in process rather than a change in formula - but I have a hard time attributing such a huge difference solely to a change in personal taste.

No, I don't think there has been a change in how they do it, but I think, well, who the hell cares what I think?! I know what liquids do it for me and what liquids don't -- as on now, those don't. That doesn't mean much though as many liquids I used to thoroughly enjoy are now at odds with my palate.

 

[Dusty_D]

I heard back from Clay's sister on Facebook. He's doing fine as of last weekend, so that's a relief.

Now, just to figure out why the communication blackout from his end.

He has not got back to me yet!

I'll update if/when I hear back from him.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I heard back from Clay's sister on Facebook. He's doing fine as of last weekend, so that's a relief.

Now, just to figure out why the communication blackout from his end.

He has not got back to me yet!

I'll update if/when I hear back from him.

That's great, but his sister? I hope that he isn't experiencing shame-face so much so that he needs to hide his. He can get out of these situations as long as he *starts* communicating.

 

[Dusty_D]

That's great, but his sister? I hope that he isn't experiencing shame-face so much so that he needs to hide his. He can get out of these situations as long as he *starts* communicating.

I've said as much to her.. still hoping for a reply from Clay personally.

 

[Jerms]

I just ordered patriot and analog from Goodejuice and had a couple questions. This is the first time i ever ordered NET's and i am really looking forward to them. Are these any good without steeping? Do you see any benefits with steeping these?

I generally like GeJ NETs right away. Like most juices they change with age, so if you don't like them at first try again in a week or two.

 

[checkum]

No, I don't think there has been a change in how they do it, but I think, well, who the hell cares what I think?! I know what liquids do it for me and what liquids don't -- as on now, those don't. That doesn't mean much though as many liquids I used to thoroughly enjoy are now at odds with my palate.

I think I do care.......

 

[Dusty_D]

Folks, my post was just an update on Clay. Please let's not start a speculation post fest that may spawn another HOT situation in here. Thanks!

 

[Voltron]

Folks, my post was just an update on Clay. Please let's not start a speculation post fest that may spawn another HOT situation in here. Thanks!

Sorry Dust. I forgot speculating is prohibited in this thread...rolls eyes.

 

[Dusty_D]

Sorry Dust. I forgot speculating is prohibited in this thread...rolls eyes.

Sorry man, but with the situation surrounding NET.com being as volatile as it is, comments such as that one could have serious repercussions. Apologies for being the catalyst in this case.. I'll keep my darn updates to myself.

Peace!


So, Carlos Torrano from MVJ .. yeah! damn good!

There.. back on topic!!

 

[clnire]

I have found through the 18 months I have been vaping that my tastes have drastically changed. Not just my taste, per se, but what I have found and what is out there now that I either didn't know about or what was not there. NETs are "relatively" new???? I don't think so, but the variety, the methods, everything has matured so much since I first found NETs (through you folk here) it is a whole different ball game. Plus my tastes evolved. I am not looking for the same thing from vaping I was when I started. And the hardware! From a little 510 automatic battery to MVPs, Zmax, mechs and drippers and RDAs, etc. Heck, never even imagined I would be building coils when I started with little cartomizers. Didn't even know it existed! So I continue to read, listen, research, experiment, taste, and grow.

And thank you everyone for the wonderful reviews and information! My head spins with what is Latakia? Perique? Cavendish? these English Blends? Trying to learn, and it is all a process.

OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming and lurking and learning for me....

 

[MikeNice81]

I'm debating getting an Aero Tank or getting some more stuff to start extracting. Tough decisions.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

I'm debating getting an Aero Tank or getting some more stuff to start extracting. Tough decisions.

Most of my preferred NETs start gunking around a tank and a half in the EVOD, so I'd go with the latter rather than the former.

Get yourself a Kayfun or similar clone off of Fasttech, get some of the supplies you need- everything works out.

I don't get why so many devices have huge tanks- Gunk has been my nemesis after short dripping sessions with NETs and I can't bring myself to use the Kayfun for anything but as a dripper- and whooh, that's got some punch at 18 or 20mg.

Now I see why so many of you folks use lower nic blends. I can't imagine 24mg in an RBA, but it doesn't sound like it would be pleasant- what with getting a nic buzz off of a single puff and all.

Even at 18 or 20mg, I try to enjoy a flavor for a few puffs, and have to put the KFL clone down because it's just too much nic.