Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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If only...we would all be doing extractions, exchanging with one another and there would be little need for mail order.
If only...we would all be doing extractions, exchanging with one another and there would be little need for mail order.
Extraction is the easy peasy part, filtering is what separates the wheat from the shaft.
If only...we would all be doing extractions, exchanging with one another and there would be little need for mail order.
True, all we'd need to PIF would be a filtered maceration extract in some PG and let the recipient adjust the % / nic ratios and then go from there.
I guess all it would take to get started on this would be mason jars or a sun tea brewer, tobacco, coffee filters, and PG.
Oh, and time with the selected method of maceration, obviously much less for heat-assisted.
But once it gained momentum?
NETs would be biting everyone with the extraction bug.
I can also guarantee you that all the people who have only tried cig-a-likes would quickly abandon the idea that "if it looks like a cigarette, it must taste like one, right?" after trying a proper vape off of an RBA preloaded with a fine NET.
They would also abandon analogs, entirely.
After all, our focus is harm reduction, and I would say that we're achieving exactly that.
If things go down this route, most vendors will end up selling bulk PG, extracts, and measuring syringes.
Maybe nic, too, but there're already enough sources for that.
Pre-nic'ed PG in bottles wouldn't be a bad idea (I believe MvJ does this already).
& to everyone finding MvJ "light" even with an extra flavor shot;
I asked Diane real nicely about adding a bit more flavor to my favorite blend when I ordered it with an extra shot in bulk size.
I'd show you the color difference, but I have no camera (kinda hard since the tablet only has a front-facing camera.
Why; I have no idea.) to do so, unfortunately.
What I can tell you, is that that the liquid looks much closer to well-steeped HHV than what you might consider "standard" MvJ.
I'm very interested to see how this one turns out (Captain Black Royal, which I refer to as The Captain) in a week.
True, all we'd need to PIF would be a filtered maceration extract in some PG and let the recipient adjust the % / nic ratios and then go from there.
I guess all it would take to get started on this would be mason jars or a sun tea brewer, tobacco, coffee filters, and PG.
Oh, and time with the selected method of maceration, obviously much less for heat-assisted.
But once it gained momentum?
NETs would be biting everyone with the extraction bug.
I can also guarantee you that all the people who have only tried cig-a-likes would quickly abandon the idea that "if it looks like a cigarette, it must taste like one, right?" after trying a proper vape off of an RBA preloaded with a fine NET.
They would also abandon analogs, entirely.
After all, our focus is harm reduction, and I would say that we're achieving exactly that.
If things go down this route, most vendors will end up selling bulk PG, extracts, and measuring syringes.
Maybe nic, too, but there're already enough sources for that.
Pre-nic'ed PG in bottles wouldn't be a bad idea (I believe MvJ does this already).
& to everyone finding MvJ "light" even with an extra flavor shot;
I asked Diane real nicely about adding a bit more flavor to my favorite blend when I ordered it with an extra shot in bulk size.
I'd show you the color difference, but I have no camera (kinda hard since the tablet only has a front-facing camera.
Why; I have no idea.) to do so, unfortunately.
What I can tell you, is that that the liquid looks much closer to well-steeped HHV than what you might consider "standard" MvJ.
I'm very interested to see how this one turns out (Captain Black Royal, which I refer to as The Captain) in a week.
I keep harpering on filtering because not very many people have the time to fool with RBA, Kaylights, etc. I think a good extract has to work for people on the go using kanger tanks and regular mods. And filtering right down to at least 5 micron in the house seems like a messy time consuming ordeal. Correct me if I am wrong.
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At least two of the guys in this thread doing extracts use 5 micron or lower filters. 5 microns isn't too time consuming if you use the French Press method and 2.6 microns is just a matter of letting the extract sit in a funnel for a couple of hours.
Filtering to 2.5 micron isn't "messy" at all but it does take a little time. Fine with me. I don't sit there and watch it drip through but I guess if you do it would be "time consuming".
2 KFL's loaded with MVJ tonight. Sutliff Blue Danube in one and Ramon Bueso Genesis in the other. The Sutliff Blue Danube is completely over shadowing the Ramon Bueso. Both running at 11 watts, and I'm going to be slowly raising the heat under them but I'm going to retire to the cave for a while and enjoy the Blue Danube. What a beauty!!
& if you're doing multiple batches, you can just let them all sit and drip until you return to add more extract to filter through.
That is, unless you've got a huge funnel.
I had originally speculated that some were using a separatory funnel, but I have no idea how feasible that would be for a maceration, since it's generally used for liquid-liquid separation.
If gravity is doing most of the filtering (big if there, since you'd have to wait for all of the suspended particles to actually settle, if they all even did) it would make a pass through a final filter much more efficient and use less of the filter paper.
If someone could enlighten me as to whether this would even work.... I'd be interested to see the results.
Because if this actually could work, you would just be able to drain most of the gunk out.
My single-pass dual-stage (wire-mesh/5-micron poly felt) French Press filtering method is incredibly easy and efficient. I generally do five macerations per batch, and the time it takes to filter all five is less than an hour from start to finish, including clean-up afterwards. And that's assuming a very relaxed pace. Heck, I spend more time making the labels than I do filtering the extracts.
I think what the original question was probably more detail than "French press method." If its that easy for you that's great, but it takes space and some equipment (syringes, graduated cylinders, and filters are frowned upon in many states due to similarities to drug paraphernalia.) Its slightly the same argument why people don't recommend buying a seporatory filter and solvents to make WTA's (too a much lesser degree mind you, but sep funnels are illegal here in PA.) And I'm a bit of a messy person so I know my little operation would be frowned upon by the wife.
I guess I'm just on the fence whether to just buy the extracts from MJV or make my own (at least until the regs change and I have to make my own.)
Edit: would love to see pictures of the French press in action with part numbers/vendors (if you get the time.)
Mini review of the Ether vapes eclipse after steeping a month. This is really a sweet tobacco, almost like an RY4. The fragrance that initially turned me of has blended well into the tobacco flavor, its a winner but almost too sweet for an all day vape, but perfect for after dinner nighttime puff. Another that meets that catogary that is a real winner ins Down East Blue mountain, it tastes completely natural with a nice blueberry flavor, they are similar in a way.
Still liking my MVJ extraction blend I mixes up at 24mg 55PG/45VG. This is a hard hitter, easy to get a throat hit, may play with turning down the voltage but its diffenatily a while you working daytime smoke. I think for MVJ I'm only going to buy the extracts from now on, convenient and less expensive. With the fastech aerotank clones its very economical to have several different e-juices to sample at night, I keep them on a 24 hole test tube rack. I think I like going this route better than Kaylights at this point (although I have a couple I want to play with.)
Still liking my MVJ extraction blend I mixes up at 24mg 55PG/45VG. This is a hard hitter, easy to get a throat hit, may play with turning down the voltage but its diffenatily a while you working daytime smoke. I think for MVJ I'm only going to buy the extracts from now on, convenient and less expensive. With the fastech aerotank clones its very economical to have several different e-juices to sample at night, I keep them on a 24 hole test tube rack. I think I like going this route better than Kaylights at this point (although I have a couple I want to play with.)
Regal55, there are several DIY calculators on line used for mixing. One is ejuicemeup by breakthrough software. On my phone or I would add a link.
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Can I ask an obvious question? If I dilute 40mg nicotine by mixing 25% of it with 75% Nic free PG, doesn't that make it 10mg?
I know that sounds obvious but I have been getting a bit ill at times mixing 40mg Nic VG at 33% with doublers. Not sure if it's the nicotine and I've overlooked a counter intuitive mathematical equation or there is something else going on with this VG 40 mg Nic liquid.
I want to rule out calculation errors first.
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Johni what do you filter into? Do you just stick a funnel in a glass or jar?
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Each ml of nic is 40mg, 7.5ml*40mg= 300mg/ml nic, adding 22.5ml of base/ no nic PG + 7.5ml NIC= 30ml of base+nic. 300mg Nic/ 30ml of base+Nic= 10mg Nic juice
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I got some coffee filters today (for the first pass on my own macerations in a few weeks time before they go through a pass at 2.5 microns).
I am eyeing up my Paris and Red Pirate. I might experiment by passing my Paris - W2V through the coffee filter and see how gunky is afterwards and how that affects the flavour. I am keen to pass some of it through 2.5 micron as well. Imagine a 'clean' Paris!
I am eyeing up my Paris and Red Pirate. I might experiment by passing my Paris - W2V through the coffee filter and see how gunky is afterwards and how that affects the flavour. I am keen to pass some of it through 2.5 micron as well. Imagine a 'clean' Paris!
Wow! Anthony, please let us know how your experiment with filtering the W2V liquids goes. Also, good luck with your macerations. I am more and more tempted to do "experiments" now.
Only holdback is the filtering. However, I know buddies here will help me through that when the time comes. Fabulous!
I have been researching the French Press. Question about how it works. Do you put the maceration in the container and then put in the press with filter amd press down? The liquid that comes to the top is your extract? Hope that does not sound like a silly question, just trying to picture it. I can see myself experimenting when the summer road trips wind down and I will be home again for the winter. TIA!
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pardon the typos, on my phone
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