Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[jefsview]

If anyone was interested in Jerms' favorite artibacco from The Plume Room, Smooth & Mild is currently Flavor of the week.

Also on sale this week: from Ethervapes 2 NETs $1.00 OFF, Gold Leaf and Confederate. Plus new customers can use the NEW10 coupon code for 10% off, and they have buy 3 get a 12ml (of your choice) FREE deal.

Also, Ethervapes will have a bolder English Blend NET debuting next week, I believe.

 

[Jerms]

If anyone was interested in Jerms' favorite artibacco from The Plume Room, Smooth & Mild is currently Flavor of the week.

Also on sale this week: from Ethervapes 2 NETs $1.00 OFF, Gold Leaf and Confederate. Plus new customers can use the NEW10 coupon code for 10% off, and they have buy 3 get a 12ml (of your choice) FREE deal.

Also, Ethervapes will have a bolder English Blend NET debuting next week, I believe.

Smooth & Mild at $10.50 for 30ml. Yeah baby!

 

[BaccyFiend]

Well, Goodejuice's GJ4 is caramel heavy after the tobacco. Personally, I wish it had a stronger vanilla It's a still a keeper, though.

Thanks, I like GJ4, but I definitely taste the vanilla in it competing with the caramel. It seems to use the same tobacco base as the newer Organic #1.

Which brings me to something that's been stuck in my craw for some time. I first ordered Organic #1 in March 2013 and loved it. It was a translucent medium amber color and had a great straight-up tobacco flavor. I ordered it again maybe three months later, and it was totally different. It was an opaque dark brown, almost black, like motor oil. It tasted different too. Not bad, but it kind of had a wet cardboard flavor to my weirdo taste buds. Could this just be a result of seasonal differences in the tobacco, or did they totally change the recipe? I would really like to get some more of the older, amber Organic #1. It was one of the first ones I'd ever tried from GeJ and made me fall in love with their juices.

 

[Jerms]

Thanks, I like GJ4, but I definitely taste the vanilla in it competing with the caramel. It seems to use the same tobacco base as the newer Organic #1.

Which brings me to something that's been stuck in my craw for some time. I first ordered Organic #1 in March 2013 and loved it. It was a translucent medium amber color and had a great straight-up tobacco flavor. I ordered it again maybe three months later, and it was totally different. It was an opaque dark brown, almost black, like motor oil. It tasted different too. Not bad, but it kind of had a wet cardboard flavor to my weirdo taste buds. Could this just be a result of seasonal differences in the tobacco, or did they totally change the recipe? I would really like to get some more of the older, amber Organic #1. It was one of the first ones I'd ever tried from GeJ and made me fall in love with their juices.

I'm guessing either seasonal changes in the tobacco or something getting messed up with the extraction. Same thing happened with Patriot last year. A batch from last October I think wasn't nearly as good as it normally is. I hope the latest bottles got back it's former glory.

It's a risk when ordering natural products that the batches may vary. I've only experienced it noticably with Patriot, but have heard many other examples of it happening with other vendors.

It's not something I'm too concerned with for my own personal use. I don't order big bottles, multiple reorders, or get all that attached to any juice. But it is a little disheartening when I realized that the magic I and others have described from Patriot wasn't there for those who got bottles of the less-than batch.

I'm meaning to try Organic #1 in my next orders, fingers crossed that it's from a well represented batch. Otherwise I'll be calling you Organic lovers off-yer-rockers lol.

 

[y cherry y]

Thanks, I like GJ4, but I definitely taste the vanilla in it competing with the caramel. It seems to use the same tobacco base as the newer Organic #1.

Which brings me to something that's been stuck in my craw for some time. I first ordered Organic #1 in March 2013 and loved it. It was a translucent medium amber color and had a great straight-up tobacco flavor. I ordered it again maybe three months later, and it was totally different. It was an opaque dark brown, almost black, like motor oil. It tasted different too. Not bad, but it kind of had a wet cardboard flavor to my weirdo taste buds. Could this just be a result of seasonal differences in the tobacco, or did they totally change the recipe? I would really like to get some more of the older, amber Organic #1. It was one of the first ones I'd ever tried from GeJ and made me fall in love with their juices.

I get exactly that effect from GJ4 and also Vita Bella -- sort of an overripe funkiness like the bottom of a pile of wet leaves. I thought the variation in flavor between batches (of GJ4; the Vita Bella was my first) was my evolving palate. Now I'm thinking maybe not.

 

[billherbst]

I get exactly that effect from GJ4 and also Vita Bella -- sort of an overripe funkiness like the bottom of a pile of wet leaves. I thought the variation in flavor between batches (of GJ4; the Vita Bella was my first) was my evolving palate. Now I'm thinking maybe not.

I have the same reaction to GJ4 and Vita Bella---like some fermentation has begun in the base tobaccos. Curiously, my bottle of GeJ Perique has none of that. Go figure.

Judging the overall result of a given vaping experience, while not always straightforward, is a piece of cake compared to nailing down the causal factors that produced the result. Me? The juice? Or perhaps the particular batch from which my bottle of juice was made? So many dancing variables. Certainty is ever-elusive.

 

[Big Juicy]

There is something with GJ4 to ME that is so close, yet so far. I totally agree that it tastes like the tobacco base is Organic #1 (motor oil version) but some here have disagreed with me on that.

As good and respectable as those juices are, they are not reorders for me. Neither is Natural perique which is just WAY to on the wet socks/mushroom side of the Perique spectrum for my tastes. A real accomplishment in the evolution of NET on the retail scene to be sure, but in no way would I ever take it over NETCOM - Choctaw or RBFS - St. James.

I have a Vita that is a mere 2 months old that wont be touched for another 3 months minimum. I am on the fence with Acadian Gold as a reorder, but I am enjoying it a great deal. Patriot is truly a "workhorse" NET, but for me it stays on hand for when I crave it and only Patriot will do....then I typically chain vape it for 2-3 days.

Nothing even remotely Analog-like is getting touched these days, as I am head over heels for Bill's extraction of American Spirit. Far and away better than any cigarette tobacco extraction I have ever had. ZERO desire for a cigarette since I got this stuff. A miracle.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I'm guessing either seasonal changes in the tobacco or something getting messed up with the extraction. Same thing happened with Patriot last year. A batch from last October I think wasn't nearly as good as it normally is. I hope the latest bottles got back it's former glory.

It's a risk when ordering natural products that the batches may vary. I've only experienced it noticably with Patriot, but have heard many other examples of it happening with other vendors.

It's not something I'm too concerned with for my own personal use. I don't order big bottles, multiple reorders, or get all that attached to any juice. But it is a little disheartening when I realized that the magic I and others have described from Patriot wasn't there for those who got bottles of the less-than batch.

I'm meaning to try Organic #1 in my next orders, fingers crossed that it's from a well represented batch. Otherwise I'll be calling you Organic lovers off-yer-rockers lol.

I was afraid of that. I'm not sure what can be done. Maybe a call before I order (awkward conversation: "So how's the Organic #1 looking this month?"). I loved it and intend to reorder it if I can get the amber version.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I have the same reaction to GJ4 and Vita Bella---like some fermentation has begun in the base tobaccos. Curiously, my bottle of GeJ Perique has none of that. Go figure.

Judging the overall result of a given vaping experience, while not always straightforward, is a piece of cake compared to nailing down the causal factors that produced the result. Me? The juice? Or perhaps the particular batch from which my bottle of juice was made? So many dancing variables. Certainty is ever-elusive.

That's what I don't get about the motor oil-prone ones. In contrast, every bottle of Perrique, AG, WL, and WT I've ever received has been incredibly consistent from order to order and stores really well for long periods of time.

 

[BaccyFiend]

As good and respectable as those juices are, they are not reorders for me. Neither is Natural perique which is just WAY to on the wet socks/mushroom side of the Perique spectrum for my tastes. A real accomplishment in the evolution of NET on the retail scene to be sure, but in no way would I ever take it over NETCOM - Choctaw or RBFS - St. James.

GeJ's is a little on the wet socks side, but nothing can hold a candle to the funky, dank 'shroominess of HoL's Perrique. That is some dirty stuff, and I mean that as a compliment (although not necessarily when it comes to its effect on coils). When you want to bring da funkiest of the funky Perrique, it wears the crown. NETcoms Chocktaw was a little wet socks flat to me, although I loved Speaking Spirit (RIP?), but I think that was a separate AS blend extract.

My fave Perrique lately (killed 3 bottles so far) is RBFS. It is the cleanest, purest essence de Perrique I've found. It's getting into 55 gallon drum territory for me.

 

[Jerms]

GeJ's is a little on the wet socks side, but nothing can hold a candle to the funky, dank 'shroominess of HoL's Perrique. That is some dirty stuff, and I mean that as a compliment (although not necessarily when it comes to its effect on coils). When you want to bring da funkiest of the funky Perrique, it wears the crown. NETcoms Chocktaw was a little wet socks flat to me, although I loved Speaking Spirit (RIP?), but I think that was a separate AS blend extract.

My fave Perrique lately (killed 3 bottles so far) is RBFS. It is the cleanest, purest essence de Perrique I've found. It's getting into 55 gallon drum territory for me.

I haven't had HoL's or NETcom's Perique, but I can't imagine getting any better than RB's. I liked GeJ's, it was one of my first NETs, but can't see reordering it now that St. James is on the market.

Btw, why do you use an extra 'r' when writing Perique?

 

[regal55]

GeJ's is a little on the wet socks side, but nothing can hold a candle to the funky, dank 'shroominess of HoL's Perrique. That is some dirty stuff, and I mean that as a compliment (although not necessarily when it comes to its effect on coils). When you want to bring da funkiest of the funky Perrique, it wears the crown. NETcoms Chocktaw was a little wet socks flat to me, although I loved Speaking Spirit (RIP?), but I think that was a separate AS blend extract.

My fave Perrique lately (killed 3 bottles so far) is RBFS. It is the cleanest, purest essence de Perrique I've found. It's getting into 55 gallon drum territory for me.

Could someon tell me what HOL and RBFS mean? Or we could come up with our own form of morse code.

 

[Jerms]

Could someon tell me what HOL and RBFS mean? Or we could come up with our own form of morse code.

House of Liquid and River Bottom Fog Sauce. Both in the first post of the thread.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I haven't had HoL's or NETcom's Perique, but I can't imagine getting any better than RB's. I liked GeJ's, it was one of my first NETs, but can't see reordering it now that St. James is on the market.

Btw, why do you use an extra 'r' when writing Perique?

I'm a poor speller, I guess. I never thought about it, but my brain must have assumed there were two r's (and spellcheck never corrected it!).

I wouldn't bother with any of the others at this point either. RBFS is the platinum standard to me.

 

[Jerms]

I'm a poor speller, I guess. I never thought about it, but my brain must have assumed there were two r's (and spellcheck never corrected it!).

I wouldn't bother with any of the others at this point either. RBFS is the platinum standard to me.

Lol, I thought you were doing it on purpose for some reason, as your spelling otherwise is fine.

 

[jefsview]

Thanks, I like GJ4, but I definitely taste the vanilla in it competing with the caramel. It seems to use the same tobacco base as the newer Organic #1.

Which brings me to something that's been stuck in my craw for some time. I first ordered Organic #1 in March 2013 and loved it. It was a translucent medium amber color and had a great straight-up tobacco flavor. I ordered it again maybe three months later, and it was totally different. It was an opaque dark brown, almost black, like motor oil. It tasted different too. Not bad, but it kind of had a wet cardboard flavor to my weirdo taste buds. Could this just be a result of seasonal differences in the tobacco, or did they totally change the recipe? I would really like to get some more of the older, amber Organic #1. It was one of the first ones I'd ever tried from GeJ and made me fall in love with their juices.

My first bottle of Organic #1 was from April 2013, and was a medium amber color when I first received it. This was from my first ever order from GeJ, which was made concurrently with my first order from HHV. While I had sampled all of the liquids, Organic #1 was by far my early favorite from GeJ, and only grew in favor as it steeped, and when I first tried it in a dripper. But My GeJ liquids got put aside when I fell deeply in love with the HHV liquids, which suited my palette better during the beginning of analog detox.

Organic #1 continued to steep into a dark reddish, motor oil like color and with the steeping, the flavor exploded. I segued from clearomizer to dripper simultaneously and the beauty of Organic #1 was revealed. But was it due to the dripper alone, or the steeping and darkening of the liquid? This is the time period where I wrote my "official" review for Organic #1 and shared it with Nick in the GeJ supplier thread.

My first bottle was 32mg nicotine, but a later bottle of Organic #1, one that I purchased and yet another that had been PIF'd to me, were lower nicotine and came closer to the dark motor oil color. I noticed no difference in flavor with the later bottles. I just recognized the flavors more readily due to delivery device.

But I have never gotten wet cardboard from Organic #1. Rich, smoky tobacco with a surprising sweet heart and layers of intrigue --yes, and always. But that's just me.

Now, Wild Turkey is nothing but wet dog to me

 

[boomerdude]

I often wonder about what real St. James Parish Perique tastes like. From what I've read it all goes to one Blender. I wonder who?

 

[BaccyFiend]

I often wonder about what real St. James Parish Perique tastes like. From what I've read it all goes to one Blender. I wonder who?

I'm guessing McClelland. I was in a B&M here the other day inquiring about a few different pipe blends for extraction and noticed an assortment of McClelland Perique blend tins and pouches on the wall. When one of the employees pulled out "the book" to answer some of my questions, I grabbed a peak over his shoulder while he was paging through and saw at least two pages devoted to McClelland Perique blends.

 

[rabernet]

If anyone was interested in Jerms' favorite artibacco from The Plume Room, Smooth & Mild is currently Flavor of the week.

Also on sale this week: from Ethervapes 2 NETs $1.00 OFF, Gold Leaf and Confederate. Plus new customers can use the NEW10 coupon code for 10% off, and they have buy 3 get a 12ml (of your choice) FREE deal.

Also, Ethervapes will have a bolder English Blend NET debuting next week, I believe.

Smooth & Mild at $10.50 for 30ml. Yeah baby!

Pardon my question, but I don't know you guys well enough to know yet - is this a good artibacco flavor, or are you guys being facetious? Haven't heard many reviews on this one, but I do enjoy their Cavendish and Burley ones.

 

[MikeNice81]

I often wonder about what real St. James Parish Perique tastes like. From what I've read it all goes to one Blender. I wonder who?

I've heard that it was American spirit. They have a contract with one guy to get all of their Perique. There is another guy that bought a failing perique company and is supply a large part (maybe all) of the other perique. He came in to basically rescue Perique from extinction is how they tell the story. I think they've been using a blend of St. James and other Virginias for a while though. I remember reading that years ago a single bad crop season nearly wiped out the Perique supply. So, one of the original families came up with the idea of adding in Virginias to help stretch the supply. That way one bad season wouldn't destroy the entire market.