Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

The CAO Italia actually will become a reorder for me. When you get the shake, head, and wattage right, the blend is awesome. It is like being stuck in the friend zone. You know something awesome is there, when it chooses to show itself. It is a relentless flirt that keeps you chasing and hoping to wrap your hands around the awesome again. I have burnt through 16ml in just a short time.

The Ramon Bueso started coming together around 8.5 watts. There was a bit of earth and nut coming through in a distinct way. So, I ran it up to 9.5 watts. Really it just got warmer and lost the better part of the tobacco taste.

I really like the analogy you used here and I've been trying to use all my charm to break through the friend zone with this mysterious Italian mistress.

I have bend paying attention to your findings and experiments. I hope soon to disrobe miss Italia and see what she has under her alluring jacket. Lol

Frankly though, I think she could probably do with a bit more meat on her bones. I prefer my women and liquids the same way. Bold, curvy and flavorsome.

Right now, CAO Italia plays like a shy salad eating size 6.

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[Lavaca5]

Smooth & Mild at $10.50 for 30ml. Yeah baby!

YEA! My favorite, too. Trying to load up on all my favorites, as the proverbial fan looms on the horizon ...

 

[Jerms]

Decided to try the rayon wick. From my understanding the 'less is more' for cotton doesn't apply here, so rolled a tight, bigger wick. So far the flavor is clean, as good as KGD with the Halo Southern Classic I'm vaping. I'll stick with it for a bit to see if I prefer the Cellu-Cotton to KGD.

 

[Jerms]

Winner winner chicken dinner! Won a bottle of my choosing from EtherVapes in a contest thread! Nomad I've been pretty excited about since it's a Turkish, but the Midnite Lite is tempting too. I also don't have any coffee vapes and they have a naturally extracted coffee, so I'm feeling pretty indecisive at the moment lol. I'll just enjoy the win tonight and pick one tomorrow.

 

[MikeNice81]

I decided to just grab something different to finish off the evening. So, I reached out and grabbed some of Boomer's Orlik Golden Sliced. Good things come to those that wait. After a long steep, this stuff is starting to climb right in my wheelhouse. The perique has just the right amount of musty and shroomy going on. The virginia sweetness has backed off considerably and is adding just the right counter note to keep things interesting. Then it finishes with a nice aftertaste that is satisfying and relaxing.

In a Mini PT3 on my MVP 2.0 this is all day until the bottle is empty good.

 

[Dustmight]

Even with the name, Shortcut to Mushrooms, there's not a fungal shroominess that clicks with me in the flavor. I thought the shroom reference in the name would refer to the funkiness that black cav has, but that aspect of black cav isn't present here for me. I mainly get the creamy sweetness and the smokiness. That odd combo of sweet & smoky is weirdly enjoyable to me in about the same way as sweet & salty foods; such as chocolate covered potato chips and pineapple on pizza. Lots of people don't do the sweet & salty combo, and I imagine sweet & smoky would be tough sell to many too.

Pure Smoke from W2V does the sweet & smoky thing. That one really goes to the weird side, with that 'malty' spun-sugar type of sweet with the grotesque beauty of Paris. That one for me has a flavor that's delicious bordering on nasty. This Shortcut does a much more mild-mannered presentation, being something I think someone would either mildly enjoy or mildly dislike while Pure Smoke invokes stronger love it or hate it reactions. I love Pure and enjoy Shortcut while being easily able to understand opposite reactions to them.

Jerms, glad you and Bill gave this one a shot. It's definitely on the unusual side for a vape, as I've always considered Shortcut as a "gateway" tobacco for someone who'd only smoked aromatics wanting to try Latakia. For the record, I have it on good authority that it contains ZERO actual mushrooms, but rather the play of the Cavendish with the Latakia underneath the vanilla give it an unusual earthy tone. At the moment I'm burned out on "straight" tobacco vapes, so this one as well as the Cajun Black are nice change of pace.

 

[regal55]

I hope no one beat me to punch...

There just so happens to be one vendor that uses a wonderful steam distillation technique to produce flavorful NETs that are as clean on coils as synthetics.

It's called Ahlusion. Give them a try


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Do they carry anything that tastes like a Cavendish net?

 

[Dustmight]

Do they carry anything that tastes like a Cavendish net?

I'd be surprised if Smooth Criminal isn't a Cavendish base. It takes a long while to come forward (4-6 months) but If I had to categorize the "tobacco" note in this liquid that would be it. It's an amazing one to try if you haven't already.

 

[regal55]

I'd be surprised if Smooth Criminal isn't a Cavendish base. It takes a long while to come forward (4-6 months) but If I had to categorize the "tobacco" note in this liquid that would be it. It's an amazing one to try if you haven't already.

Thanks I'll try it

 

[drthunder]

Also, I forgot to note that Fasttech also sells pre-rolled coils for those of us who have difficulty coiling coils.

Pre-rolled in the correct resistance range (still, check before firing) and ready for a piece of wick.



NOTE: these are nichrome coils; not kanthal, so please keep that in mind if you have problems with nickel-containing coils or similar products.

The price is so low for these! Is there any concerns with the nichrome or how the coils might be made? Some say they give off a weird flavor. I assume most people would want to clean these before usage. It can't be as simple as paying next to nothing for pre-rolled coils and everything being perfect... there must be a catch somewhere.

 

[Midniteoyl]

The price is so low for these! Is there any concerns with the nichrome or how the coils might be made? Some say they give off a weird flavor. I assume most people would want to clean these before usage. It can't be as simple as paying next to nothing for pre-rolled coils and everything being perfect... there must be a catch somewhere.

I use these.. they are also the same ones that come in every pre-made tank you buy. They are fine. After building and before wicking, fire them up to burn off any residue, same as with kanthal.

 

[regal55]

I pulled my Kaylite apart for the 4rth time today and I see a trend, the cotton/rayon is always burnt inside the coil. The wick is just touching the plate. I can pull the wick out thru the coil so I don't think its over packed. I think my ussue is I can't make a coil strong enough to withstand pulling enough wick material thru without destroying the coil or fix over packing by rubbing the wick back and forth.

If I had a strong coil I could pull a thicker wick thru and shave it down in the coil by pulling back and forth.

Hopefully these fasteck coils will remedy my handicap. Sort of like needing a wheelchair lift to get upstairs

 

[Midniteoyl]

Naw... I'm having the same burning issues.. I've tried 3 different methods and numerous 'amounts' and lengths..


Maybe its the NETs... Dunno. I had one good tank yesterday. Went all the way through with no problems. Pulled the cotton and put in the exact same amount in the exact same way and got about 20 pulls before it went burnt. Same juice and everything.

Heres what it looked like when I pulled the 'good' one this morning. If it was clogged, it didnt taste or hit like it was. Looks nasty though

 

[boomerdude]

I was going to dump my 60ml bottle of Orlik extract and a 15ml bottle of the juice. I decided I would give it one more try on a 3D playing with the wattage. Yup, you are correct sir. I was knocked over at the change in six weeks, it went from a flat Virginia to a semi-sweet tangy cloud of goodness. Glad I waited. Both bottles are back on their respective shelves.

I decided to just grab something different to finish off the evening. So, I reached out and grabbed some of Boomer's Orlik Golden Sliced. Good things come to those that wait. After a long steep, this stuff is starting to climb right in my wheelhouse. The perique has just the right amount of musty and shroomy going on. The virginia sweetness has backed off considerably and is adding just the right counter note to keep things interesting. Then it finishes with a nice aftertaste that is satisfying and relaxing.

In a Mini PT3 on my MVP 2.0 this is all day until the bottle is empty good.

 

[boomerdude]

Just be prepared for 10% to break while wrapping. Someone was going a bit fast on the tac welder. Avid wants $7 for 5 NR-R-NR pre-wound wicks. That's pretty ridiculous as you can get 250 of them at FT for the same price. Even losing 10% breakage it's still a bargain.

I use these.. they are also the same ones that come in every pre-made tank you buy. They are fine. After building and before wicking, fire them up to burn off any residue, same as with kanthal.

 

[regal55]

Naw... I'm having the same burning issues.. I've tried 3 different methods and numerous 'amounts' and lengths..


Maybe its the NETs... Dunno. I had one good tank yesterday. Went all the way through with no problems. Pulled the cotton and put in the exact same amount in the exact same way and got about 20 pulls before it went burnt. Same juice and everything.

Heres what it looked like when I pulled the 'good' one this morning. If it was clogged, it didnt taste or hit like it was. Looks nasty though

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Sounds like we are in the same boat with these things. I've SMD soldered micro circuits before and not had this much trouble. There is something basic we are missing. Except mine only burns inside the coil.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Sounds like we are in the same boat with these things. I've SMD soldered micro circuits before and not had this much trouble. There is something basic we are missing. Except mine only burns inside the coil.

Its gotta be the NETs.. clogging up the coils and then the wick at the coil and causing it to burn.

I too was an electronic tech, down to component level.

 

[boomerdude]

I get that sometimes and I vape NET's exclusively. What I figured was, when the cotton burns just inside the coil it's because I was chain vaping away in my usual style. When I slowed down, it didn't happen. Guess I wasn't giving the cotton enough time to wick up more juice.

I am learning to keep all my so-called non-starter NET's. I've gone back to several now that have been hanging around for a couple of months. Orlik Sunsliced, Dustmight's Luxury Flake Bourbon and Mellow Mack all improved with age. I gotta stop being so quick on the circular file and use a little patience.

I see at FT there are more and more RDA's set-up to take ribbon wire. More surface space with ribbon means bigger clouds.

My experiments on mixing extracts has met with partial success so far. I managed a pretty good Blackberry Cavendish. I am flustered at trying to make a decent mix of Virginia's, Orientals and Burleys that I can add one synthetic flavor to make a pleasing juice. I know it can work, I think it's just a matter of proportions.

 

[MikeNice81]

I get that sometimes and I vape NET's exclusively. What I figured was, when the cotton burns just inside the coil it's because I was chain vaping away in my usual style. When I slowed down, it didn't happen. Guess I wasn't giving the cotton enough time to wick up more juice.

I am learning to keep all my so-called non-starter NET's. I've gone back to several now that have been hanging around for a couple of months. Orlik Sunsliced, Dustmight's Luxury Flake Bourbon and Mellow Mack all improved with age. I gotta stop being so quick on the circular file and use a little patience.

I get the same thing on my rewicked Kanger heads sometimes. Sometimes it happens if you don't give the cotton enough time to wick before you start vaping. I always give them at least five minutes and a few cold pulls. You have to be careful not to flood on cold pulls though.

Orlik definitely came around to be a huge surprise. I've got a couple of bags of pipe tobacco laying around. I'll PM you about making a swap for more Orlik.

 

[Jerms]

I think this CelluCotton rayon is going to be a tough nut to crack for me. The performance is great, no question about that. Wicks amazingly well. It's great for switching flavors because even when my drippers dry I can still get good hits from the wet rayon, which means less carry over flavor from less juice remaining when switching. That's a positive, not a big one, but is nice. I've only used clean juices so far, but I've heard dirty juices gunk slower with the rayon, which if true for me could be a pretty big positive if it lets me vape gunkers longer.

The flavor is very good with zero off notes like KGD. The first three juices I vaped with the rayon was Southern Classic from Halo, Sahara from Ahl, and Heartland RY4. All three were great, and the RY4 had the benefit of muting a somewhat odd note that one has.

Switching to MVJ's Triple Maduro brought up issues though. The rayon seems to amplify sweetness, which was very noticable here as this juice is just not meant to have much sweetness. Worse still, I wasn't getting that oily, dark tobacco flavor, all I was tasting was sweet. So that had me try my first side-by-side. From the first vape the answer was obvious, KGD cotton dominates the rayon with Triple Maduro. The rayon amps the sweet and mutes the tobacco, not a good thing for a subtle tobacco NET.

So my early experience is rayon mutes some notes and enhances others. Well, that's certainly nothing new, all wicking material does that. Will the rayon enhance notes in some juice that the KGD mutes? I'm almost certain I'll run into that too. Each wicking medium seems to have it's own equalizer setting with certain notes cranked up and others lowered. Obviously, the sweetness nob is turned up with rayon, which will benefit some juices and be a detriment to others. Certain tobacco notes 'may' be muted with rayon, it's the case with one so far, but the range of tobacco complexities is vast and I may find some that the rayon enhances.

So long story short (well, actually long story even longer lol) is I'm impressed with CelluCotton's capabilities, but will take much more experimenting before deciding if it's my main wicking medium. It's another great option for wicking that many will either like or dislike based on it's preset equalizer settings with flavor, but performance-wise it absolutely shines.