Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Midniteoyl]

Dripping with a kayfun?

 

[BaccyFiend]

Damn, this thread moves fast sometimes. I step away for a couple of days and have a ton to catch up on. First things first. Recent July 4th sales emails, if anyone's interested:

TPR is offering 20% off all orders, a free TPR Wristband with all orders, and free shipping on all orders over $60. Code: "JULYFOURTH". 24 hours only on July 4th. I won't be partaking, as I'm fullly stocked on Honey Fig and Candied Cavendish and don't see myself rocking the TPR wristband. But it does remind me that I need to revisit the M-Type I've had steeping forever. I recall it being Vermillion Rivery and seeming like it needed a long steep. Hopefully, it got better with a lot of age.

Prime vaping is having a sale from July 4th through July 7th. Use coupon code "Fireworks" to receive 30% off all e-liquids and 10% off all e-liquid sample packs. Passing on this one too. I should probably revisit them as well though. I remember one being a little less flat than the others (Virginia maybe?).

Sweet Vapes is offering 10% off e-liquids & hardware (whoopdeedoo). Use Code: "HAPPY4TH". Expires Sunday July 6th @ 11:59pm CST. Negative for me on this one too. I barely touched an order I got from them months ago. Out of the mail, they were, as you might imagine, just as the name implies. I recall one being intriguing (Spanish Gold or Special Reserve Flue Cured maybe?).

CravinVapes is having a 4th of July weekend sale, no coupon required. 15% off everything sitewide except eliquid (mmmkay?), but $10 30ml bottles of eliquid all weekend. I'm not biting. Contrary to others, I kind of liked the original B.O.M.B. Blue Organic and a few other of the flavored tobaccos (chocolate, honey), but a later order was completely different and reformulated - cleaner, but a lot sweeter, much like the above mentioned vendor. I liked the heavier tobacco presence of the old versions.

 

[jefsview]

I'm looking for a recommendation for a new NET brand to try. I'm moving to dripping with a Kayfun coming in the mail. And all the staff at my local vape shop have told me to cut my nic level in half when I go to dripping because you get so much more nicotine when you're doing that. It took me awhile to get down to 6mg and I don't want to go all the way back up to the equivalent of 12mg just because I want to drip. So ai'm really hoping for a NET brand that will let me do a custom nic level at 3mg.

My old favorite NET brand was MOV. Why I want to move away from them is their juices only come in 0, 9, 18mg, and above levels of nic. I've already talked to the owner of that store via email and they pre-mix all their stuff and won't do custom nic levels. I was willing to go above 6mg for them a little to 9mg in tanks. But I can't go down to 0. And no way I want to go up to the equivalent of 18mg in a dripper.

What I loved about MOV was how "dry" their NET juices taste. I hope you guys know what I mean by dry. I'm hoping you do because on another smaller board I told someone to try MOV. And he did and came back and said how much he loved their dry flavor. I thought that was weird because that was exactly the word I'd used to describe their flavors in the past, just never on that board before. So I guess that's what I'm looking for initially, a NET brand that produces dry flavors that would be a direct replacement for MOV for me.

What I'm doing with MOV NETs is VapeRite is actually my favorite overall brand. But all their flavors have a noticeably sweet bias to them. So occasionally I vape a MOV NET to give my taste buds a break from all that sweetness.

I saw a page or two back where jerms said RBFS was very similar to MOV. But I checked the site they sell that juice on, vapingwatch,com, and I didn't see any samples. Having to buy a bunch of full bottles just to try a flavor is a real turn off. But unfortunately necessary occasionally.

I've tried HHV, VapeRite, and MOV NETs. VapeRite's are good. But I'm not crazy about sweetness mixed in with my tobacco flavors (RY4 being an exception). HHV didn't nearly live up to all the hype for me and has that same sweet bias to their flavors that VapeRite has. And MOV like I said was my favorite.

My favorite MOV NET was easily Pendragon, later followed by Hey Jack and their RY4 variant. I didn't like their Apache at all. It tasted dirty and muddy to me.

I tried BWB too and didn't like their tobaccos. It was like they had a bunch of high notes and not a lot of low notes which didn't sit well with my taste buds for tobacco flavors. And their famed Turkish tobacco flavor, Casablanca I think it's called, tasted like it had notes of urine in it to me. But their banana flavor was the best banana I've ever had, and I've tried several bananas looking for a good one, all the rest were disappointments, but really liked BWB banana.

When moving to dripping, or to a Kayfun (which is a rebuildable tank atomizer, not a dripping atomizer) you can use what you're used to on nic level. Afterward trying it, you'll know what you'll be comfortable dropping down to -- everyone is different. Dropping your nicotine level by half is a broad statement and not accurate, unless you're planning on super sub-ohming. Since you don't seem to have done it before, I don't think you're going to build your coils that low.

As far as equivalent liquids to MOV, Goodejuice liquids are on the dry side. When you sampled HHV, did you try Huntsman and Legend? They have a newer liquid, Maple, Eh that might fill in for Hey Jack since it uses a dry base as well. Ahlusion also has cherry and maple NETs, though I have not tried them.

Best of luck with your new Kayfun.

 

[farisjc]

I'm looking for a recommendation for a new NET brand to try. I'm moving to dripping with a Kayfun coming in the mail. And all the staff at my local vape shop have told me to cut my nic level in half when I go to dripping because you get so much more nicotine when you're doing that. It took me awhile to get down to 6mg and I don't want to go all the way back up to the equivalent of 12mg just because I want to drip. So ai'm really hoping for a NET brand that will let me do a custom nic level at 3mg.

MyVapeJuice lets you customize your nic levels in 1mg increments. Something I truly appreciate since 6mg is often too much for me, and 0mg means I have to keep nicotine base in my vape pantry. As for "dry" I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Maybe a high PG liquid? Either way MVJ lets you customize your PG/VG ratios and they have a dizzying array of NETs to choose from. Good Luck!

 

[BaccyFiend]

What I loved about MOV was how "dry" their NET juices taste. I hope you guys know what I mean by dry. I'm hoping you do because on another smaller board I told someone to try MOV. And he did and came back and said how much he loved their dry flavor. I thought that was weird because that was exactly the word I'd used to describe their flavors in the past, just never on that board before. So I guess that's what I'm looking for initially, a NET brand that produces dry flavors that would be a direct replacement for MOV for me.

What I'm doing with MOV NETs is VapeRite is actually my favorite overall brand. But all their flavors have a noticeably sweet bias to them. So occasionally I vape a MOV NET to give my taste buds a break from all that sweetness.

I saw a page or two back where jerms said RBFS was very similar to MOV. But I checked the site they sell that juice on, vapingwatch,com, and I didn't see any samples. Having to buy a bunch of full bottles just to try a flavor is a real turn off. But unfortunately necessary occasionally.

I've tried HHV, VapeRite, and MOV NETs. VapeRite's are good. But I'm not crazy about sweetness mixed in with my tobacco flavors (RY4 being an exception). HHV didn't nearly live up to all the hype for me and has that same sweet bias to their flavors that VapeRite has. And MOV like I said was my favorite.

My favorite MOV NET was easily Pendragon, later followed by Hey Jack and their RY4 variant. I didn't like their Apache at all. It tasted dirty and muddy to me.

I tried BWB too and didn't like their tobaccos. It was like they had a bunch of high notes and not a lot of low notes which didn't sit well with my taste buds for tobacco flavors.

VapeRite definitely has some non-sweet tobacco options. House Extracted Organic and Natural Tobaccos and Perique come to mind. For just an ever-so-slight touch of sweetness that blends well with a strong tobacco taste, APV is good.

RBFS is worth the price IMO for a full-size bottle of St. James Parrish if you want a straight-up, dry, non-sweet tobacco.

BWB had some super-dry options, if I recall (Adirondack, Hunters Blend, Maple Tobacco, etc.), very similar to HHV's super-drys (Gaia, Huntsman, Dark Horse, etc.).

Try GeJ too. Acadian Gold and Wild Turkey aren't sweet at all to me.

I've never asked any of these vendors since I'm still at a pretty high nic level, but one of them might be able to do a custom 3mg if you call them.

 

[levander]

When moving to dripping, or to a Kayfun (which is a rebuildable tank atomizer, not a dripping atomizer) you can use what you're used to on nic level.

Now this I did not know... Thanks for the insight.

i know a lot of drippers produce way more vapor than just vaping out of a tank does. From the conversations with the, that's where they were getting the more nicotine thing. Yeah, the vapor itself has the same amount of nicotine in it, but more vapor also means more of that nicotine that's in the all the extra vapor...

But since the Kayfun isn't a dripper, does it produce a lot more vapor than just like a regular Aerotank would?

Afterward trying it, you'll know what you'll be comfortable dropping down to -- everyone is different.

Yeah, I'm aware I'm jumping ahead a little bit. But I'm wanting to try other NET brands anyway, with an eye toward the plans I'm intending to follow through with. But I'm jumping ahead because I'd like to order some samples first, which you can't usually customize the nic levels in anyway..

As far as equivalent liquids to MOV, Goodejuice liquids are on the dry side. When you sampled HHV, did you try Huntsman and Legend? They have a newer liquid, Maple, Eh that might fill in for Hey Jack since it uses a dry base as well. Ahlusion also has cherry and maple NETs, though I have not tried them.

Okay thanks, that moves GoodEjuice higher on my list. Made a $70 order of samples from HHV earlier and was impressed with very few of the flavors. Might be worth trying the Maple though...

 

[levander]

VapeRite definitely has some non-sweet tobacco options. House Extracted Organic and Natural Tobaccos and Perique come to mind. For just an ever-so-slight touch of sweetness that blends well with a strong tobacco taste, APV is good.

I hear it said a lot that everyone experiences these flavors differently. And me and you my friend, are experiencing these flavors way differently. I'm vaping on some VapeRite Perique right now and I just took a couple of more puffs. I can definitely taste the sweetness.

To me VapeRite tastes like they have a base that they use for most all their juices. Then they add flavorings to their base to make specific flavors they market and sell to the public. To me, it's like VapeRite's base itself is sweet because it's a consistent amount of a sweet undertone bias throughout almost their entire product line. The way I experience it anyway...

I really wonder if we're just using different baselines to talk about sweetness though. Like if someone compared MOV Pendragon to VapeRite Perique, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't consider Perique sweeter. But maybe some people would? I don't know.

To me a better comparison would be VapeRite's VR4 (an RY4 variant) against MOV's RY4. Yes, both are sweet, but MOV's is noticeably "drier".

 

[levander]

MyVapeJuice lets you customize your nic levels in 1mg increments. Something I truly appreciate since 6mg is often too much for me, and 0mg means I have to keep nicotine base in my vape pantry. As for "dry" I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Maybe a high PG liquid? Either way MVJ lets you customize your PG/VG ratios and they have a dizzying array of NETs to choose from. Good Luck!

Thanks farisjc. I would try to explain what I mean by dry more, but it's so subjective it's hard to explain. It might have something to do with high PG because I've noticed MOV NET juices I've vaped don't produce as much vapor as some of my other juices. (VG produces more vapor, so less vapor out of the same setup but just a different juice would mean high PG). But I know it's not entirely try because I've tried VapeRite in higher PG ratios, and they still taste a little sweeter to me, although probably not quite as sweet. (VapeRite's headquarters in Woodstock, GA is a ten minute drive from me, I buy there ALL the time).

I've got to have good flavor though. I'm too picky about that stuff. I'm actually emotionally happier when my vape is working like it should (eg not leaking) and tasting really good. So it would be nice to switch to MyVapeJuice for the practicality of being able to customize the nic levels so highly, they got to have great flavor. I'll look at them and see if there's anything that looks worth trying over there. Thanks man.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Try some EtherVapes... you can do nic in 3mg increments...

As for the Kayfun producing more vapor - no, not really. I mean, it might, but not much more. Flavor is more its thing.

 

[regal55]

Try some EtherVapes... you can do nic in 3mg increments...

As for the Kayfun producing more vapor - no, not really. I mean, it might, but not much more. Flavor is more its thing.

I think going from vaperite to myvaporjuice.com might be culture shocl. But ether vapes is a possibility. Another is to buy 2 bottles one low nic and one your normal (high) nic and slightly mix them, you might not even notice. Gradually increase the mix.

When its on the KLF has amazing flavor and good amount of flavor, but when its off which is most of the time there's very little flavor or vapor.


Dry is not enough PG, but its a catch 22 because if you raise VG you lower PG and then you don't wick as fast. I find 50 to 70 PG about right. They say you can get the best of both worlds by adding a little water and it will make a high PG mix wick well but I haven't tried that.

 

[regal55]

To me a better comparison would be VapeRite's VR4 (an RY4 variant) against MOV's RY4. Yes, both are sweet, but MOV's is noticeably "drier".

The best vaping experience I ever had was Vaperites organic VR4 in a KLF that was setup right, it was seet, tobacco flavored, and full of vapor, I was never able to repeat it because the KLF has so much variability. But it was so good I just want to keep searching that flavor.

 

[regal55]

wrong thread

 

[Midniteoyl]

wrong thread

Had me going 'huh??'

 

[jefsview]

Now this I did not know... Thanks for the insight.

i know a lot of drippers produce way more vapor than just vaping out of a tank does. From the conversations with the, that's where they were getting the more nicotine thing. Yeah, the vapor itself has the same amount of nicotine in it, but more vapor also means more of that nicotine that's in the all the extra vapor...

But since the Kayfun isn't a dripper, does it produce a lot more vapor than just like a regular Aerotank would?




Yeah, I'm aware I'm jumping ahead a little bit. But I'm wanting to try other NET brands anyway, with an eye toward the plans I'm intending to follow through with. But I'm jumping ahead because I'd like to order some samples first, which you can't usually customize the nic levels in anyway..



Okay thanks, that moves GoodEjuice higher on my list. Made a $70 order of samples from HHV earlier and was impressed with very few of the flavors. Might be worth trying the Maple though...

For me, I still dripped at my full 24mg level for quite a while. Same with when I started with the Kayfun. Eventually, the 24mg became too much and I had to drop. But it coincided with my 1 year vaperversary, so I guess it was time I only dropped down to 18mg.

Will the Kayfun produce more vapor [clouds] than an Aerotank? Depends on how far the air control is open. I do get more vapor out of my 50/50 liquids with opening up the air flow and building the coils around 1 ohm. I haven't used the Aerotank, just the original Protanks [and the PT's were not good for me].

 

[Jerms]

I agree with what's been said, switching from disposable devices to rebuildables doesn't mean a drop in nic levels is necessary, unless someone is going straight to sub-ohm and large airholes. Rebuildables do make it easier to go lower on nic if someone wants that, since it's possible to adjust the throat hit and vapor.

I kept my 18mg going for a while when switching to rebuildable drippers from disposable dripping atties. Eventually I did go down to 15mg and now the 12mg I normally vape now. In my Kayfun I'm less picky on the nic levels as I just use it on the go. At home I like 12mg so because I can vape that level constantly without niccing out. Out and about I just vape when I want some nic, so higher nic is fine. I have some old 24mg nic juice in my KFL right now, twice as high as my normal juice. Provides a big thump, but I adjust to it quickly.

Saying someone will NEED to cut their nic in half when going ro rbas is just bad advice.

With the dry talk, I've always used dry when describing a vape the same way it's used with wine and drinks, to mean the opposite of sweet. So a very dry juice would mean very not sweet, just easier to say. There's also the physical meaning, like a juice that gives a dry blast gives the feeling of physically dry, but when talking about taste it's just refering to the sweetness level. I've read people saying a juice has a dry taste, but that they don't mean the level of sweet. In that case, I have no idea what they mean.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I hear it said a lot that everyone experiences these flavors differently. And me and you my friend, are experiencing these flavors way differently. I'm vaping on some VapeRite Perique right now and I just took a couple of more puffs. I can definitely taste the sweetness.

To me VapeRite tastes like they have a base that they use for most all their juices. Then they add flavorings to their base to make specific flavors they market and sell to the public. To me, it's like VapeRite's base itself is sweet because it's a consistent amount of a sweet undertone bias throughout almost their entire product line. The way I experience it anyway...

I really wonder if we're just using different baselines to talk about sweetness though. Like if someone compared MOV Pendragon to VapeRite Perique, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't consider Perique sweeter. But maybe some people would? I don't know.

To me a better comparison would be VapeRite's VR4 (an RY4 variant) against MOV's RY4. Yes, both are sweet, but MOV's is noticeably "drier".

Hmm, that is strange. I wonder if it's their VG or PG giving you the impression of sweetness. I have a friend who, no matter what I let her try vaping that was no-nonsense dry tobacco to me, tasted extremely sweet to her. I started thinking it might be the VG or something tricking her taste buds into sensing sweetness every time. Having you tried going no VG or trying different PG/VG ratios to determine if that might be the culprit?

I can definitely taste a difference between VapeRite's straight tobaccos, but they very well might use one of them as a common base for their flavored ones (VR4, Rou's, etc.).

Sadly, one of the only NETs I never got around to trying was MOV (I need to rectify that at some point), so I don't have a frame of comparison to suggest something comparable. GeJ would be my first suggestion for something dryer, but I have a feeling that if you're getting sweetness from VapeRite's straight tobaccos, GeJ might result in the same.

 

[johni]

Fired up an old Phoenix v5 atty with dual coils, 1 Ω, KGD cotton wicks. Threw in some well aged MOV Southern Gentleman (18 mg nic) and am trying not to vape myself into a nic coma! The v5 with adjustable airflow is the best large chamber atty I've tried for flavor. Southern Gentleman remains a favorite and it's rokin' my boat today!

Happy 4th to everyone! My body is enjoying the day off as work has been hectic lately. Ribs and roasting ears on the smoker. Doesn't get much better than that.

 

[Warpigs]

Roasted ears, ewwww Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs or the TV sitcom Hannibal! hehe

 

[SleeZy]

I agree with what's been said, switching from disposable devices to rebuildables doesn't mean a drop in nic levels is necessary, unless someone is going straight to sub-ohm and large airholes. Rebuildables do make it easier to go lower on nic if someone wants that, since it's possible to adjust the throat hit and vapor.

I kept my 18mg going for a while when switching to rebuildable drippers from disposable dripping atties. Eventually I did go down to 15mg and now the 12mg I normally vape now. In my Kayfun I'm less picky on the nic levels as I just use it on the go. At home I like 12mg so because I can vape that level constantly without niccing out. Out and about I just vape when I want some nic, so higher nic is fine. I have some old 24mg nic juice in my KFL right now, twice as high as my normal juice. Provides a big thump, but I adjust to it quickly.

Saying someone will NEED to cut their nic in half when going ro rbas is just bad advice.

With the dry talk, I've always used dry when describing a vape the same way it's used with wine and drinks, to mean the opposite of sweet. So a very dry juice would mean very not sweet, just easier to say. There's also the physical meaning, like a juice that gives a dry blast gives the feeling of physically dry, but when talking about taste it's just refering to the sweetness level. I've read people saying a juice has a dry taste, but that they don't mean the level of sweet. In that case, I have no idea what they mean.

Only one thing to add, the TH increases alot in a kfl compared to clearos.
That was the main reason i had to go down in nic when using kayfun.

 

[y cherry y]

I know several don't like Ahl's aros, and even some former fans have had a falling out, but I still love 'em. Probably helps that I've never indulged on them heavily, not vaping more than two bottles of any of them and going long periods of not having any in my stash.

Sweet Georgia Peach tastes like I remember, and grabs me with the same powerful grip. At first I only get a potent peach flavor. Not just peach, but the best damn peach I've experienced in vape form, miles ahead of any others. After a bit the tobacco emerges. It doesn't become a fully independant flavor, I can't taste the line where the peach ends and the tobacco begins. Like an otherworldy, fictional plant that grows peachbacco leaves.. just the one peachbacco flavor. It brings forward a childlike wonder that vapeflavor can have magical properties.

I must note that this juice, like the rest of the aros, is experienced in vastly different ways based on the reports I've read from others. Some experience the tobacco strongly, too strong. I read a person report that they can't even find the peach under the overly potent tobacco! Total opposite to how it tastes to me. Some also get a medicinal, synthetic, or otherwise unpleasant taste from all the aros, while they are purely natural tasting to my senses. Why this line has such opposing reactions from people I have no idea. I just know that it works for me, amazingly well.

I've seen that medicinal taste comment a couple times lately. I can only chalk it up to people experiencing something 180 degrees apart from what they're used to.

I find that to some extent each of the flavored aros pulls off that marriage of the tobacco to the paired flavor. Curious what you think of Cocoa Blend, which I'm very fond of.