Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mr.Mann]

Dagwood's Wife is Trippin' by River Bottom is an extraction of ACID Blondie cigars.

A Blondie is a Blondie right? I'm not so sure, I'd have to vape The Blond from W2V or H+ Yellow Mane from NETcom alongside this one to answer that. I had The Blond first, and when I later had H+ I was able to say with confidence; yep, same juice. I don't get that same reaction with DWiT.

I don't know, tastes change so easily depending on a million factors, I can't say with confidence this is different. Based purely on memory and how this is tasting now, it's different to me. Smoother, less intense on the incense notes and more cigar type feel coming through. To put plainly, I have a feeling this one is better, but I wouldn't swear to it.

I CAN say with confidence, I loved the first two Blondie cigar NETs I've had, and I also love DWiT. I also can say you will pay a lot more to get this one.

Jerms, I don't know if you remember what I said about DWiT, but do you detect -- how shall I say this? -- a more-than-simple-soak method of extraction? I mean, I am positively sure it is a soak, but not necessarily a simple one. It is clearly a Blondie, but not the same as the rest either (most of the other ACID NETs are almost indistinguishable IMO ). Brian confirmed that it is a standalone extraction (vs. his others, which are all approached the same -- I believe), but I knew that bit of info was as much as I was going to get (didn't even try to pry).

 

[Jerms]

Jerms, I don't know if you remember what I said about DWiT, but do you detect -- how shall I say this? -- a more-than-simple-soak method of extraction? I mean, I am positively sure it is a soak, but not necessarily a simple one. It is clearly a Blondie, but not the same as the rest either (most of the others are almost indistinguishable, type for type, IMO ). Brian confirmed that it is a standalone extraction (vs. his others, which are all approached the same -- I believe), but I knew that bit of info was as much as I was going to get (didn't even try to pry).

I've thought that about most of these RBFS that I don't get the typical simply soak feel from them. I've thought that about other macerated NETs, I'm certainly not an expert and can't even put my finger on what exactly it is that makes one juice feel like a soak to me and another not. But here, it just sticks out to me that these feel different, and in a good way.

Glad to read you also thought this Blondie tasted different. I thought it may be in my head, but this does feel like Blondie but different than those two juices. The others had a love or hate aspect that I happened to love. This one seems like it would have more broad appeal, because it doesn't seem so, well, odd. It's still a juice that for some it just won't work because of the unique flavors infused in ACID cigars, but if someone was on the fence before this one may work better.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've thought that about most of these RBFS that I don't get the typical simply soak feel from them. I've thought that about other macerated NETs, I'm certainly not an expert and can't even put my finger on what exactly it is that makes one juice feel like a soak to me and another not. But here, it just sticks out to me that these feel different, and in a good way.

Glad to read you also thought this Blondie tasted different. I thought it may be in my head, but this does feel like Blondie but different than those two juices. The others had a love or hate aspect that I happened to love. This one seems like it would have more broad appeal, because it doesn't seem so, well, odd. It's still a juice that for some it just won't work because of the unique flavors infused in ACID cigars, but if someone was on the fence before this one may work better.

I think the difference that I was wrestling with is that while DWiT and, say, The Blond are both quite vocal, The Blond is maybe a wee bit muddy in the cigar's notes while DWiT is more clear -- both in color and flavor. Not a descriptive phrase I would associate with The Blond, but I would say DWiT is remarkably bright. Hell, I would say it's even tasty (vaping it now). Tasty??? That is something I never would've thought I would call any ACID-cigar-based NET.

 

[MFToms59]

A straight maceration with low tech filtering would carry more impurities, adulterating/ muddying flavor notes. Just a guess but I'd bet some sort of distillation and additional extraction method is employed, this could explain the slightly higher cost per ml of juice, and why it is cleaner on coils.

 

[Jerms]

I think the difference that I was wrestling with is that while DWiT and, say, The Blond are both quite vocal, The Blond is maybe a wee bit muddy in the cigar's notes while DWiT is more clear -- both in color and flavor. Not a descriptive phrase I would associate with The Blond, but I would say DWiT is remarkably bright. Hell, I would say it's even tasty (vaping it now). Tasty??? That is something I never would've thought I would call any ACID-cigar-based NET.

Tasty- hell yeah! There's a bright note that's just delicious. And yes I agree the notes seem more clear in DWiT.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Tasty- hell yeah! There's a bright note that's just delicious. And yes I agree the notes seem more clear in DWiT.

It's still as herbaceous and fragrant as an ACID should be, but to me, not so heavy as to be crossing into the perfume/incense realm (which I don't mind with this type of NET, but totally get why others do).

I don't know, it could also be that Brian realized that he need not be so heavy-handed with the amount of extract he puts in the eliquid. I did a little experiment with w2v liquids and found not a huge loss of flavor, and much better burning on coils with cutting the liquids by a 1/3 with an unflavored base of the same nic (2/3 actually worked also, but the tobacco's signature became more ephemeral). That was what I had wanted to tell BJ about Paris (my little experiment). I got the idea from how much Pure Smoke still really worked, but knowing it incorporates such a tiny bit of the Paris extract (assuming that based purely on the color of Paris vs. Pure Smoke.)

 

[billherbst]

It's still as herbaceous and fragrant as an ACID should be, but to me, not so heavy as to be crossing into the perfume/incense realm (which I don't mind with this type of NET, but totally get why others do).

I don't know, it could also be that Brian realized that he need not be so heavy-handed with the amount of extract he puts in the eliquid. I did a little experiment with w2v liquids and found not a huge loss of flavor, and much better burning on coils with cutting the liquids by a 1/3 with an unflavored base of the same nic (2/3 actually worked also, but the tobacco's signature became more ephemeral). That was what I had wanted to tell BJ about Paris (my little experiment). I got the idea from how much Pure Smoke still really worked, but knowing it incorporates such a tiny bit of the Paris extract (assuming that based purely on the color of Paris vs. Pure Smoke.)

After much experimentation, I've settled on 13% as the ideal percentage of my home-brewed extracts in making DIY NET liquids. Such a relatively lean mix may not yield the most flavor intensity, but it produces the best flavor clarity while enhancing the subtlety of the juice. As an added bonus, 13% extract makes a lighter-colored liquid that's easier on coils/wicks.

 

[Mr.Mann]

After much experimentation, I've settled on 13% as the ideal percentage of my home-brewed extracts in making DIY NET liquids. Such a relatively lean mix may not yield the most flavor intensity, but it produces the best flavor clarity while enhancing the subtlety of the juice. As an added bonus, 13% extract makes a lighter-colored liquid that's easier on coils/wicks.

That's what I've found to be true. For w2v liquids to be black -- and that is not hyperbole; some of them are black -- I am thinking they're just far too extract-dense.

 

[Jerms]

After much experimentation, I've settled on 13% as the ideal percentage of my home-brewed extracts in making DIY NET liquids. Such a relatively lean mix may not yield the most flavor intensity, but it produces the best flavor clarity while enhancing the subtlety of the juice. As an added bonus, 13% extract makes a lighter-colored liquid that's easier on coils/wicks.

Bill, I don't think you voted in the last NETty Awards, but I hope you vote in this one. I know you've moved to vaping your own extracts a lot, but your valued opinion would be great to see. I even added an NET RY4 category to entice you

(Yes, I will be harassing people to vote for the next few weeks)

 

[Dustmight]

Looking for a recommendation from all of you NET gurus…really wanting to try more Latakia/Oriental forward juices. I've had most of the NET.com offerings that live in this realm and I'm wondering what else is out there worth trying. Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Jerms]

Looking for a recommendation from all of you NET gurus…really wanting to try more Latakia/Oriental forward juices. I've had most of the NET.com offerings that live in this realm and I'm wondering what else is out there worth trying. Any input would be appreciated.

There's an English pipe/Latakia blend category in the NETty Awards thread, I'd suggest keeping an eye on that. The ones I can think of are Apache (strong Latakia) and Southern Gentleman (subtle Latakia) from MountainOakVapors. Devil Dog (strongest Latakia) from Ahlusion. London (not one I'd personally recommend, but some love it) from Want2Vape. Porch Rocker (medium Latakia kick) from RiverBottom. Quicknicjuice has one that I haven't had.

 

[Dustmight]

There's an English pipe/Latakia blend category in the NETty Awards thread, I'd suggest keeping an eye on that. The ones I can think of are Apache (strong Latakia) and Southern Gentleman (subtle Latakia) from MountainOakVapors. Devil Dog (strongest Latakia) from Ahlusion. London (not one I'd personally recommend, but some love it) from Want2Vape. Porch Rocker (medium Latakia kick) from RiverBottom. Quicknicjuice has one that I haven't had.

Thanks Jerms, I've been eyeballing the thread. Totally forgot about Apache. Might have to plunk down for that one and re-up my FVF RY4 supply while I'm at it. How would you say the overall flavor strength of the RiverBottom stuff is?

 

[Jerms]

Thanks Jerms, I've been eyeballing the thread. Totally forgot about Apache. Might have to plunk down for that one and re-up my FVF RY4 supply while I'm at it. How would you say the overall flavor strength of the RiverBottom stuff is?

While I love almost all of those Latakia blends, Apache is the top but not by any large margin. It's well balanced being strong but has a really nice, subtle sweetness that enhances it for me..

So far I find RiverBottom to be very flavorful. Porch Rocker eases up on the smokey Latakia, but it's well blended and offers some unique flavors. The flavors are clean too as Mann noted, none of them have been muddy (which can be good too). Not sure how to describe it, but it's like the different flavor notes in the NETs have a clear separation. Fabulous & Burley is more on the mild side but is still flavorful.

 

[vjc0628]

Sorry, vjc -- I haven't tried QuickNic's RY4. But I did find that GJ4 had a natural tobacco feel to it and I love their juices' impact level. Still wasn't a fan of it overall, unfortunately. I can't describe it accurately; it's like I taste every component of GJ4 separately and I'm pretty sure I dislike the vanilla used in that and in Vita Bella.

I love Goodejuice, just not most of their juices.

That said, I'll still try that Grasshopper juice sometime.

Ya want to know something strange

I had ordered a and bottle of vita and GJ4 soon after I ordered the first just because I love the Vita
and they were running a sale (yea I know Im a sucker for a sale)

soon after I was sorry I had ordered the 2nd bottle of GJ4 because it just didn't have the tobacco impact the Vita did

any way today I just thought I would taste the newer bottle before I gave it away

and wow there was the tobacco impact
I even took the older bottle and dripped in to 2nd atty

I'm vaping side by side and the newer bottle def has the same tobacco impact as vita wile the older does not
and its not that the older bottle lost it
it just didn't have it from the beginning

 

[vjc0628]

Ya want to know something strange

I had ordered a and bottle of vita and GJ4 soon after I ordered the first just because I love the Vita
and they were running a sale (yea I know Im a sucker for a sale)

soon after I was sorry I had ordered the 2nd bottle of GJ4 because it just didn't have the tobacco impact the Vita did

any way today I just thought I would taste the newer bottle before I gave it away

and wow there was the tobacco impact
I even took the older bottle and dripped in to 2nd atty

I'm vaping side by side and the newer bottle def has the same tobacco impact as vita wile the older does not
and its not that the older bottle lost it
it just didn't have it from the beginning

In fact the whole flavor profile is much better

the new bottle is over a month steeped and the old almost 2 month but never tasted like this

 

[Kataphraktos]

Ya'll got me looking for NETs now. I hate you.

 

[Evil Speakers]

Oh my. This Patriot NET stuff is.. is... it's just wonderful. Open the windows folks.

Ya'll are a big help with this stuff.

Glad to hear you are enjoying it.

The Mrs. have any issues with the smell?

 

[rdsok]

In fact the whole fav profile is much better

the new bottle is over a month steeped and the old almost 2 month but never tasted like this

While mixing mistakes must happen just because we aren't perfect. Just remember we are talking about products that come directly from natural products which do vary... just as the produce you find at the store varies.

 

[vjc0628]

While mixing mistakes must happen just because we aren't perfect. Just remember we are talking about products that come directly from natural products which do vary... just as the produce you find at the store varies.

finding this to be true more and more

Im glad because I heard so many good things I didn't understand why I didn't like it

I would have wrote it off if I hadn't been impulsive a got a 2nd bottle due a sale coupled with loving vita
at the time I assumed my bottle of gj4 was going to come around

but this is really goo and Im glad it wasn't wrote off my list

 

[jefsview]

Just a couple of notes:

Draco Vapors: Tobacco Flavor Vape Juice, E Liquid, E Vapor, E Cigarette

A rich, all natural, sweet and smoky tobacco flavor with aroma reminiscent of fine pipe tobacco. This Vape Juice uses natural tobacco extracts from real tobacco leaves to provide you a real tobacco taste.

Also, Killer Ejuice's RY4 was mentioned: RY4 - Tobacco

In the Killer Ejuice Forum Supplier Sub-forum thread, hangingdude asked Walt (owner/mixologist) if he used NET, and he stated that he uses natural flavorings, but not necessarily full on NET. This up and coming elquid vendor has been getting some great reviews, and Walt apparently works in the flavoring industry, so he could be one to watch as he grows his line.