I have one Tabac I got years ago, a few months after I got it someone had a base for it to make it take Kanger T3s coils. So mine is rebuildable. I will see if I can figure out where I got the new base, but it was long ago.
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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Found it! Got it from Sun Vapors. On my phone so don't have a link and I don't know if they still carry them, but it's a start if you are interested. My Tabac gets regular use, along with other T3ses (?)
This one was a sleeper revelation. I wasn't expecting too much and it knocked my socks off. It's a little too sweet for me now but, I think you'll dig it.
Sorry to blow your ideas out... but...
NET's only have the flavors of the tobacco's extracted .... very little to none of the nicotine or other alkaloids are extracted... it's just the flavor
There are enough of the alkaloids to have an effect.
I've seen it several times when I let someone try mine.
An effect they don't get from artificial flavors and nicotine.
They don't know it's a NET or what that would mean.
There are certainly some. Relative to what most add, in terms of nic, it's a small amount. This is a very Inefficient way of pulling them. But there are some.
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According to what I've read about extracting WTA ( whole tobacco alkaloids ), the effective methods are an involved labor intensive chemical process in order to get any usable amounts out of the tobacco leaves. I wouldn't be surprised that trace amounts are found in the typical maceration methods being used, but they are going to be negligible at best. If you are interested in reading further, there is some info contained in these threads but it is limited since it is slightly off topic.... Most of the info that you can trust is/was posted by DVap and the others that worked with him... and are found in threads related to WTA instead.
For some people WTA's make quite a difference in satisfying their habit... but others found they didn't do anything for them. So, like many things vapor related... for each person it differs. Also it shouldn't take much to make a difference... in natural tobacco ( on average ) 95% of the alkaloids is nicotine leaving the other 5% to the other alkaloids. In one source ( that I can't recall now ), they mentioned they targeted that 5% of other alkaloids with their method and then added the nicotine ( this wasn't from DVap, but another source ).
I seriously doubt that there is enough WTA to make a difference in typical NET's. I believe the satisfaction most of us experience is the natural flavor we get ( along with the other factors in all e-liquids like vapor thickness, throat hit, warmth etc )
For some people WTA's make quite a difference in satisfying their habit... but others found they didn't do anything for them. So, like many things vapor related... for each person it differs. Also it shouldn't take much to make a difference... in natural tobacco ( on average ) 95% of the alkaloids is nicotine leaving the other 5% to the other alkaloids. In one source ( that I can't recall now ), they mentioned they targeted that 5% of other alkaloids with their method and then added the nicotine ( this wasn't from DVap, but another source ).
I seriously doubt that there is enough WTA to make a difference in typical NET's. I believe the satisfaction most of us experience is the natural flavor we get ( along with the other factors in all e-liquids like vapor thickness, throat hit, warmth etc )
I'm talking about effects like the buzz from the first cigarette of the day (or after a long flight).
Someone vaping only nicotine for days , then tries a NET and after 2 hits there's a buzz.
It's not placebo effect because they didn't know it was a NET or that it might do that.
Not everyone, but for sure many. My experiments showed it ~50% but many with no effect were dual users and had had a cigarette in the prior 3-4 hours.
Someone vaping only nicotine for days , then tries a NET and after 2 hits there's a buzz.
It's not placebo effect because they didn't know it was a NET or that it might do that.
Not everyone, but for sure many. My experiments showed it ~50% but many with no effect were dual users and had had a cigarette in the prior 3-4 hours.
That is almost the very definition of "placebo effect"... during testing, when the person doesn't know that something is or isn't the real thing.
Subjective results do not make that a valid experiment... only chemical analysis can say for certain.
Yep! It has really loose air/juice flow controls, which I actually like better than really tight, gotta fight to turn it type controls, but whatever, it is what it is. I always take it off the mod before refilling, so I can close off the juice flow and make sure it stays closed. When it's full I open them again and then screw it back on the mod holding it by the top, not bottom. The juice control won't move if you do it that way.
Hiya Anthony! I'm still vaping the usual - HHV, though I'm really keen on their Serendipity right now. Usually it's Gaia for me. Then I have the House of Liquid's El Toro Puros. Just noted that Georgio has introduced an El Toro Puros Dark. QED - I've noticed it ergo I must buy it. lol. Bought a whole wagon load of RBVS when they had the moster sale, but haven't gone too deeply into them as they are on the light side for me. Still a tootle puffer because I'm ham fisted, so it's still the Provari, Haven't been in here for a while so much of that may be ancient stuff by now! Have you found any goodies lately?
No, placebo effect is when you think you are getting something that will have some effect, and experience that effect, but you don't get what you thought.
Ie. This medicine will make you feel better, you take it and feel better, but there was no medicine in what you took.
You'd have to be expecting something to cause a certain effect for that, and be told you were getting that something.
If I say try this new juice, but don't mention it's a NET, nor anything about alkaloids, you have no expectations. So no placebo effect is possible.
But how much of which alkaloids are required for a given effect?
Does it vary from person to person? Any other confounding factors?
Clnire,
I am glad mine is not rebuildable. When these last two very stubborn and indestructible coils finally call it a day, I am going to lay them to rest lol
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Unless it's whole tobacco alkaloids, then it is not placebo anymore.
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Hmmm. My juice control moves a lot. It moves even when I unscrew the tank from my mod.
How open do you leave the air holes and do you
leave the airholes open when you stop Vaping for a while, like overnight for example?
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Hula,
Have you found that HHVs flavors have changed over the years? I used to love legend and pirates booty but they just don't taste the same anymore.
There is nothing wrong with the old gear. If it works and gives you the required amount of nicotine and stops you from smoking then it's still good. I never got over mouth to lung vaping. Straight lung hits are not something I want to do all day.
I still cycle through old Tanks and RBAs and enjoy them very much. Older devices are suitable for portability. I would never go to work or out with a reveleaux dna200 or snow wolf in my pocket.
As far as your question of what's good nowadays I am trying to recall how long you've been away. You do know about NET.com right ? They have some great new sweeter hybrid nets like a hot chocolate net, Choc ming and others. Blacknote is a new boutique well marketed NET that is more expensive than the norm but could be worth trying.
Ethervapes make some wonderful NETs including some sweeter ones like vanilla Skye but the vendor might be closing down soon.
To be honest, given that you prefer a sweeter NET I think some of the more significant developments have been in the synthetic Simulated NET genre. Alloy blends makes some good tobacco like flavors and so does Charlie Noble.
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I am going to put it out there, and I know most won't agree, but I too think some of the WTAs come through in NETs. While it is established that the quantity of WTA that comes through on the extraction is a small amount, no scientific data exists to show that it has a negligible effect.
The amount of WTA in the overall nicotine profile is a small percentage, maybe 5% and yet it can have a significant effect on the throat hit and how it makes you feel compared to a straight nicotine extraction. So we know that the effects of WTA is not necessarily tied in to its percentage of the nicotine profile but has a synergistic or pervasive effect along with the nicotine. In my loose theory of how WTA combines with nicotine to give a different kind of throat hit and psychological effect (MAIO inhibitor, relaxation, anti-depressant, etc), I liken it to the chemical effect of say dropping a lit match into an inflammable. You only need one match. I am not a chemist but I don't think the chemical effect of WTA is linear to its percentage make up in the nicotine.
I too notice NETs tend to have a more calming effect than synthetic liquids, including tobacco flavored synthetics. I am not convinced this is entirely attributable to the particles of WTA in the extraction but I am not ruling it out either.
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