Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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Its definitely a gunker , more so then any of the hhv nets I vape and it's a non net. Must be the sweetners

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If I remember right, BB used to be 100% VG. And I remember when I tried it you needed a jackhammer to get it out of the bottle.
 
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Ahh, I see now. I get it. You are just going for the other components of the tobacco.

I am not a chemist or anything like that, but all you get is the flavor of the tobacco. Tobacco is suspended in PG for three months, then the tobacco is filtered out. The tobacco merely flavors the PG. In a way, you could say it's the PG that's being extracted after being flavored by the tobacco, because that's all that is left behind.
 
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If I remember right, BB used to be 100% VG. And I remember when I tried it you needed a jackhammer to get it out of the bottle.
I know the original was 100vg, so most likely the new recipe is also, but it really has never been really thick imo. Although I usually dont like mixes over 70vg, I have tried a couple juices that were higher then 70 and those seemed thicker then bobas ever was....but I live in a very warm climate, so that probably thins out most of my juices

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This is an interesting tobacco, on sale at P&C:

This week’s Tobacco of the Week is another fan favorite that came out of nowhere. CAO had four successful aromatic blends that became really popular and they hadn’t introduced anything new for a while. Then, about five years ago they came out with CAO Black, a Burley and black Cavendish blend with a crisp note of raspberry with a subtle note of cocoa and vanilla. It quickly became the #1-selling blend in the CAO lineup and never looked back. For the next week we’re shaving 15% off the price of this popular aromatic that’s already affordable. Grab some now and save!
 

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I am happy to see somebody else mention the Real Tobacco Extracts when talking about perfume and gunk. The chemistry is very different with RTE juice. Virtually all typical juices are composed of synthetic chemicals. It is primarily perfume chemistry applied to food flavors. That is why there is such strong penetrating notes with most juices - it even penetrates the plastic bottles and stinks up the room. I can't stand the odor...
I only vape NET with no synthetic additives for this reason. RTE is the best I have found and yes they are very clean. Even the tobacco extracts with added fruit and nut flavors are clean and don't have obnoxious perfume odor. Apparently, even the fruits are extracted using a very different chemistry than the rest. I love RTE extracts as they are unique as far as I can tell (Very different from the rest).
I'm especially fond of RTE's fruits (Italian Plum, Banana, Cherry, Coffee, Maple, though these aren't all fruits LOL) and the Rum.
 

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I always found it interesting how people react differently to the same things. I have no doubt DF is perfumey to you. I got the same affect from a couple vendors. Ahlusion is one of them. I literally sampled every single NET they made back in the day. Had to be more than 20 of them. And every one of them was perfume to me. Couldn't deal with it. The odd thing is Ahlusion was very popular back then. I was very much an outlier when it came to Ahlusion NETs. No one understood me on this thread how I came to the conclusion I did. :)
Absolutely. Which is why I began my remarks by saying "it's just me".
And this one of many which struck me the same way. I wasn't meaning to single out DF as the only one. Our receptors recept individually in different ways to the same chemical composition.
And this changes over time, IMHO. The couple of juices I loved, for which I'm grateful, which let me abandon cigs, I can't stand now.
 

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This is an interesting tobacco, on sale at P&C:

This week’s Tobacco of the Week is another fan favorite that came out of nowhere. CAO had four successful aromatic blends that became really popular and they hadn’t introduced anything new for a while. Then, about five years ago they came out with CAO Black, a Burley and black Cavendish blend with a crisp note of raspberry with a subtle note of cocoa and vanilla. It quickly became the #1-selling blend in the CAO lineup and never looked back. For the next week we’re shaving 15% off the price of this popular aromatic that’s already affordable. Grab some now and save!
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Absolutely. Which is why I began my remarks by saying "it's just me".
And this one of many which struck me the same way. I wasn't meaning to single out DF as the only one. Our receptors recept individually in different ways to the same chemical composition.
And this changes over time, IMHO. The couple of juices I loved, for which I'm grateful, which let me abandon cigs, I can't stand now.
My first EDV was Johnson Creek's Tennessee Cured/Silverthorn blend. Found something else. Few years later tried JC again and thought it was the most disgusting thing. :)
 

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My first EDV was Johnson Creek's Tennessee Cured/Silverthorn blend. Found something else. Few years later tried JC again and thought it was the most disgusting thing. :)

No doubt tastes change, as mine have. But I'm wondering if the second bottle you got was after they reformulated their entire line. The new recipes were pretty bad and no doubt led to their inability to stay in business.

At one time I had a lot of their juice. As you say, tastes changed and I moved on to other things I liked better. A few months back, I found a few bottles of the original recipes hidden deep inside a storage box. I've been vaping all of them in the last couple of weeks and really enjoying them. They still have unique tastes that, for me, sets them apart from any tobacco juice before or after.

Which brings me to an opinion I've recently developed which may or may not be true: NETs seem to not only avoid deterioration over time but actually seem to get a fuller depth of flavor. MVJ is another brand I've experienced this with. I didn't find that company until just before the shutdown. In that short period of time I stocked up just as much as I could afford. Though I'm just about out, they are all still great juices IMO, and it's been a long while since they were mixed.

And yeah, though I sadly ran out a couple of months back, RBFS continued to be great stuff.
 

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No doubt tastes change, as mine have. But I'm wondering if the second bottle you got was after they reformulated their entire line. The new recipes were pretty bad and no doubt led to their inability to stay in business.

At one time I had a lot of their juice. As you say, tastes changed and I moved on to other things I liked better. A few months back, I found a few bottles of the original recipes hidden deep inside a storage box. I've been vaping all of them in the last couple of weeks and really enjoying them. They still have unique tastes that, for me, sets them apart from any tobacco juice before or after.

Which brings me to an opinion I've recently developed which may or may not be true: NETs seem to not only avoid deterioration over time but actually seem to get a fuller depth of flavor. MVJ is another brand I've experienced this with. I didn't find that company until just before the shutdown. In that short period of time I stocked up just as much as I could afford. Though I'm just about out, they are all still great juices IMO, and it's been a long while since they were mixed.

And yeah, though I sadly ran out a couple of months back, RBFS continued to be great stuff.
I have no idea if I got a reformulation. Was big on JC in 2012. Probably retried it in 2014ish. So if there was a reformulation between then I'm not aware of it.
 

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I am happy to see somebody else mention the Real Tobacco Extracts when talking about perfume and gunk. The chemistry is very different with RTE juice. Virtually all typical juices are composed of synthetic chemicals. It is primarily perfume chemistry applied to food flavors. That is why there is such strong penetrating notes with most juices - it even penetrates the plastic bottles and stinks up the room. I can't stand the odor...
I only vape NET with no synthetic additives for this reason. RTE is the best I have found and yes they are very clean. Even the tobacco extracts with added fruit and nut flavors are clean and don't have obnoxious perfume odor. Apparently, even the fruits are extracted using a very different chemistry than the rest. I love RTE extracts as they are unique as far as I can tell (Very different from the rest).

I agree wholeheartedly on RTE being one of the best NETs out there composed of real tobacco and synthetically added flavours to hybrid tobacco juices which taste natural and organic.

I would also put NET.com and Goodejuice in the same category.


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I have no idea if I got a reformulation. Was big on JC in 2012. Probably retried it in 2014ish. So if there was a reformulation between then I'm not aware of it.

I realize it doesn't matter much now, and my memory can't put a date on the diacetyl panic, which Johnson Creek said was the reason for reformulation. But looking at Snopes, in their coverage of the public mania they list an AOL piece about a Harvard study where both were published in 12/15. So it looks like your second bottle maybe was the original recipe.
 
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I realize it doesn't matter much now, and my memory can't put a date on the diacetyl panic, which Johnson Creek said was the reason for reformulation. But looking at Snopes, in their coverage of the public mania they list an AOL piece about a Harvard study where both were published in 12/15. So it looks like your second bottle maybe was the original recipe.
Sure did like it when I was first vaping. Liked both TN Cured and Silverthorn, but blended together I liked it even more. But then those were the very early days and I hadn't tried other vendors/flavors much. Maybe I didn't know what I was missing. JC wasn't cheap either. Kinda sad to see them go belly up. I know they supplied Blu with their flavors. Not sure what happened.
 

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I always found it interesting how people react differently to the same things. I have no doubt DF is perfumey to you. I got the same affect from a couple vendors. Ahlusion is one of them. I literally sampled every single NET they made back in the day. Had to be more than 20 of them. And every one of them was perfume to me. Couldn't deal with it. The odd thing is Ahlusion was very popular back then. I was very much an outlier when it came to Ahlusion NETs. No one understood me on this thread how I came to the conclusion I did. :)

I guess I should consider myself lucky that I love perfume then. I am wearing Lavender by Ferrari right now as a matter of fact.

Speaking of Ahlusion, I really miss it. Ahlusion never delivered to Australia do any Ahlusion I got came by the help of friends on this thread years ago who would act as an intermediary for me.

The original Bluegrass Burley, Vurley, Smooth Criminal and that strong Latakia based NET they had who’s name escapes me, were some of my favorites.

The Bluegrass burley was like a revelation to me. That strong freshly mowed grass flavour was delightful to my taste buds.


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