Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

An hour later vaping Kuba, I don't know, something about it isn't working for me. There's an odd note to it that isn't in CI and Blond. I like it for a couple vapes, and then don't like it for a couple vapes.. and on and on. Maybe just my mood, maybe just not my thang.

 

[papabogart]

Jerms, did you try Brown Bomber?

 

[billherbst]

An hour later vaping Kuba, I don't know, something about it isn't working for me. There's an odd note to it that isn't in CI and Blond. I like it for a couple vapes, and then don't like it for a couple vapes.. and on and on. Maybe just my mood, maybe just not my thang.

Neither of the two Kuba Kuba NETs I've had (w2v and QnJ) passed muster for me. In fact, I didn't like any of the ACID cigar extracts I've had (the two Kubas, w2v Blondie, and w2v CI Cigar). Wrong flavor profiles for my palate.

 

[KC33]

Hey gang, anyone here know anything about Velvet Cloud's tobacco juices?

I haven't put DD down in a week now, I cannot believe how much I love the Dog!

 

[jefsview]

Hey gang, anyone here know anything about Velvet Cloud's tobacco juices?

I haven't put DD down in a week now, I cannot believe how much I love the Dog!

Of their homemade TA NETs, I've only had Bluebeard... and it's pretty tasty once you get use to the TA twang. It's a lighter tobacco with sweet berries, a touch of tart to balance it out. Smooth and flavorful. I have read on the forum that they have a new company/line with won't be 100% VG coming soon; not certain if there shall be NETs included.

Shatner has had more experience with their liquids.

 

[Jerms]

Jerms, did you try Brown Bomber?

Yep. I loves me some NEMP.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Neither of the two Kuba Kuba NETs I've had (w2v and QnJ) passed muster for me. In fact, I didn't like any of the ACID cigar extracts I've had (the two Kubas, w2v Blondie, and w2v CI Cigar). Wrong flavor profiles for my palate.

I was one that actually really enjoyed Kuba Kuba, but I am completely clear on why others are not.

One thing I'd like to ask you, bill, is how do you feel QnJ's is vs. w2v? I think the two were incredibly similar, so much so that I thought there's really only a difference in price between the two liquids.

 

[Jerms]

I was one that actually really enjoyed Kuba Kuba, but I am completely clear on why others are not.

One thing I'd like to ask you, bill, is how do you feel QnJ's is vs. w2v? I think the two were incredibly similar, so much so that I thought there's really only a difference in price between the two liquids.

What was your take on Blond and Cold Infusion? I think if someone likes one of the 3, there's a good chance they'll like all 3 but maybe at different levels, and same if they dislike one. Unique vapes of a similar profile. I like in this order CI the most, Blond, Kuba.

 

[Mr.Mann]

What was your take on Blond and Cold Infusion? I think if someone likes one of the 3, there's a good chance they'll like all 3 but maybe at different levels, and same if they dislike one. Unique vapes of a similar profile. I like in this order CI the most, Blond, Kuba.

From what I can remember (becasue I barely do), my order of preferences was about reversed. I didn't care for Blond all that much, but Kuba Kuba kind of just does it for me (CI is okay to me, but nothing I too much find interesting). I think Kuba is one of those floral-like vapes that, along with the tobacco, makes for a rather lively vape. I wouldn't particulary call KK tasty (not really at all), but it's one that I would keep above the other two---though, a 3 mL would likely last me forever.

 

[billherbst]

I was one that actually really enjoyed Kuba Kuba, but I am completely clear on why others are not.

One thing I'd like to ask you, bill, is how do you feel QnJ's is vs. w2v? I think the two were incredibly similar, so much so that I thought there's really only a difference in price between the two liquids.

Mr.M,

Yes, I found W2V's and QnJ's Kubas to be eerily similar, which was definitely not a good thing in this case. I'm left to conclude that each is probably a high-quality extraction that I hope never to vape again. I was immediately put off by both of them, though I did my best to give each fair trial. Odds of my having succeeded in that equanimity, however, are slim and none.

In general, I've had better luck with QnJ's recent NETs than I ever did with W2V's. Alcazar was OK, Tabak Especial (now called Coffee-Infused Cigar) was good, and Louisville is a standout straight tobacco NET, but London, Paris, Blondie, and Cold-infused Cigar all left me with that scrunched-up face reaction of disapproval. By contrast, QnJ's Grandpa's Night Cap and Habana Daydream are both pleasing to me, and ouR whY Qu4tro is far and away the best of the NET-based RY4s, although only for about the first two weeks (it's an extreme reverse-steeper).

I'm not a fan of either vendor's synthetic tobaccos. I'll take Dekang/Hangsen or especially Liqua arti-baccos over QnJ or W2V any day. All of QnJ's early synthetics had an alcohol twang I didn't like, and W2V's synthetics are all flavor profiles for brains other than mine. Throw VapeRite's grassy, straw-like NETs into that mix, and it's a wonder I persevered with NETs at all. I guess I knew that VapeRite and Want2Vape were onto something good, even though I had to wait for the next generation of NETs to really enjoy them.

Proof positive that I don't judge vendors on the basis of personal preference, since I hold both QnJ and W2V in high esteem.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Mr.M,

Yes, I found W2V's and QnJ's Kubas to be eerily similar, which was definitely not a good thing in this case. I'm left to conclude that each is probably a high-quality extraction that I hope never to vape again. I was immediately put off by both of them, though I did my best to give each fair trial. Odds of my having succeeded in that equanimity, however, are slim and none.

In general, I've had better luck with QnJ's recent NETs than I ever did with W2V's. Alcazar was OK, Tabak Especial (now called Coffee-Infused Cigar) was good, and Louisville is a standout straight tobacco NET, but London, Paris, Blondie, and Cold-infused Cigar all left me with that scrunched-up face reaction of disapproval. I'm not a fan of either vendor's synthetic tobaccos. I'll take Dekang/Hangsen or especially Liqua arti-baccos over QnJ or W2V any day. All of QnJ's early synthetics had an alcohol twang I didn't like, and W2V's synthetics are all flavor profiles for brains other than mine. Throw VapeRite into that mix, and it's a wonder I persevered with NETs at all. I guess I knew that VapeRite and Want2Vape were onto something good, even though I had to wait for the next generation of NETs to really enjoy them.

Proof positive that I don't judge vendors on the basis of personal preference, since I hold both QnJ and W2V in high esteem.

Not even on my second line of your post and I am cracking up! Back to reading.

 

[MFToms59]

I had both QnJ & W2V Kuba Kuba, which I enjoyed very much due to the Herbal/ Green Tea notes, QnJ edges out W2V for Gunking... Barely. If you liked the Habana Daydream try the Managua, a bit punchier on the TH with equal Nic levels, both are very good but not quite Louisville level.

I still enjoy a few VapeRite juices; Rou's Hazelnut Tobacco, Organic Peach Tobacco & the Madasgar Vanilla Tobacco in particular.

I haven't had the QnJ or VapeRite Synthetics and the only W2V 555+, which is the best 555 type, and I've tried ~15-17 different 555 Brands.

 

[clnire]

billherbst: "left me with that scrunched-up face reaction of disapproval."

I can relate to that one!

 

[Jerms]

Has anyone ordered H1N1 from Nico since the recipe change? From what I understand, the only difference is a different source for TA, but I guess that was enough to alter the flavor. H1 is up there as one of my favroite NETs released that year, though it took several sessions for that to happen. Curious if the altered flavor is up to par.

Also wanna mention here about Ahlusion releasing an alternate take on Smooth Criminal called Just Criminal. Chocolate notes are added to this re-mix, but I'm sure the flavor is altered in other ways too. Def going to be included in my next Ahl order.

 

[yellowsnow]

Ewwww! I just ordered 30ml of SC I hope I'm not extremely disappointed.

 

[bustabo]

How did u guys feel about apple cure from gej, it taste like an apple jolly rancher to me fresh from the mail, does this change with steeping?

 

[billherbst]

If you liked the Habana Daydream try the Managua, a bit punchier on the TH with equal Nic levels, both are very good but not quite Louisville level.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Managua. I bought my first of three 30ml bottles of Managua in May, 2011, along with my first 30mls of Tabak Especial in the same order. Both were good stuff, especially for back then, when macerated NETs were few and far between. Those two NETs helped set the bar for me early on, although that bar has been raised substantially since then---not only by the proliferation of retail NET liquids, but also by Sasha's ("Scarfy's") initial home-brewed NET extracts and DIY juices, which were a revelatory game-changer in my vaping. Now my own homemade NETs have made the pursuit and purchase of new retail NET juices a thing of the past for me.

I still have 20mls of straight Managua, plus about 15mls of a Frankenjuice 2:1 mix---Managua with w2v Crème Brûlée. Both those are part of my legion of aging juices (about six liters). Half my juice stash is now in Assisted Living. LOL. Every month I euthanize another 100mls of those old dinosaurs, although the Managua is still pretty tasty. It's lost some vibrancy and is mostly bass notes now, but the fundamental flavor profile is still intact, even at two years old. I wonder what a little Managua might do for some of the new ultra-clean but "lite" NET cigar extracts from MyVapeJuice. Since I've got a bunch of those, I think I'll find out...

 

[Jerms]

Bill, what's your opinion on the new MJV cigar NETs? I understand they are pretty light, but that's ok by me if the flavor is good. Especially since they sound very clean burning, be good for Kayfun use.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Bill, what's your opinion on the new MJV cigar NETs? I understand they are pretty light, but that's ok by me if the flavor is good. Especially since they sound very clean burning, be good for Kayfun use.

I’ve been waiting to post about three of the six new cigar NETs from MyVapeJuice. Now is a good time.

5 Vegas Cask Strength Cigar
Garo Double Habana Cigar
La Gloria Cubana Cigar

I got all three of these in extract form and mixed them at 20% strength at 16mg nic in a 50/50 PG/VG base. I’ve been vaping them a in Bauway CE4 clearo on a Kicked mechanical (at 10 watts) and in 3.7 volt bottom-feeders (a Phidias Woody and a REO Mini 2.1) outfitted with YK1 Mini (Cyclone) RBAs with 1.2 ohm coils and cotton wicks.

Initially, all three juices surprised me with their sweetness, but ten days of steeping has dissipated that, leaving behind---how shall I say?---something very interesting. The word that comes to mind is “clean.”

Taken together, these three cigar juices comprise a sharp departure from anything I’ve experienced previously with NETs, and I’m far from a novice. I’ve been vaping NETs for almost three years, and I’ve had about 130 different retail NET juices, along with six of my own home-brewed NETs. These new cigar extracts from MVJ break the NET mold.

First, they’re transparent. I don’t mean merely that you can see through them---many juices have that kind of transparency. No, I mean that these extracts and the juices made from them are almost clear. The darkest (La Cubana Gloria) has a yellow tint, while the other two (5 Vegas Cask Strength and Garo Double Habana) have a very pale gold hue. Juices made from the extracts are even closer to colorless, since the extract is only 20% of the liquid. The three I ordered were made with PG, so the extracts aren’t particularly thick, but they can be ordered in all-VG, which would be thicker, of course.

Second, the flavor is different than in many NETs. I started out with VapeRite and Want2Vape NETs. W2V NETs are about as intensely flavored as any out there, especially W2V's cigar and pipe tobacco NETs. These new MVJ extracts are completely different. While each of the three carries the distinct tone of the particular cigar from which it was extracted, the flavor is subtle rather than intense.

My immediate reaction when I vaped the juices freshly made was, “Wait, where’s the flavor?” I almost stopped vaping them for that reason. But I kept all three loaded and ready in their respective PVs, and on each successive day found myself picking them up again and vaping a little more, in part out of curiosity, but also because their flavor improved with every additional day of steeping/aging. The flavors continue to improve after ten days. I wonder how they’ll taste after a month?

Some NET vapers could conceivably dismiss these extracts as weak. I’d urge against settling on that conclusion too quickly, however. I’ve grown quite fond of all three after only a ten-day steep. Oh, I still notice that they’re not in-your-face potent, but I no longer care. The accuracy and clarity of the flavors augments their subtlety, which also helps keep my palate from tiring of them. These are authentic, clean-tasting tobacco vapes.

Plus, they offer the significant benefit of being extremely kind to coils. Even after ten days of vaping, I haven’t had to change wicks or dry-burn the coils. Sure, the wicks and coils show signs of use, but at the ten-day mark they are as close to pristine as if I’d been vaping just unflavored nic juice. That’s amazing.

I don’t know what extraction methods or filtering techniques Diane is using at MVJ to produce these NETs. It sure isn’t simple soaks and coffee filters. Whatever it is, however, I hope she continues and expands this new line to eventually include pipe tobacco blends and cigarette tobaccos. For instance, I would love to experience what a Nat Sherman MCD or Gallois juice would be like extracted with these methods. For now, though, I’ll content myself with the three cigar extracts I have and look forward to ordering the remaining three in the line: Nicarao Havana Sun Grown, 5 Vegas Gold, and 5 Vegas Gold Maduro, this time in VG.

One final note: These are nothing like MyVapeJuice’s previous NETs, which, all in all, proved less than we'd all hoped. Those were sometimes muddy tasting, one-dimensional, and the flavor profiles of the blends often just didn’t click for me. But Diane paid attention, did her homework, and has now broken new ground in the marketplace with these cigar NETs.

Two thumbs up.

Jerms, I think this is the post you were asking about.

 

[billherbst]

Bill, what's your opinion on the new MJV cigar NETs? I understand they are pretty light, but that's ok by me if the flavor is good. Especially since they sound very clean burning, be good for Kayfun use.

Yes, Jerms, they are the squeaky-clean ultra-lights of NETs. Very light in color, with no coil-gunking to speak of. They're also all midrange and treble, with hardly any bass notes at all. After my last post, I added some Managua to not-quite-full 6ml bottles of diy juice I had on hand made from La Gloria Cubana Cigar extract and 5 Vegas Cask Strength Cigar extract. Four parts of the MVJs to one part w2v Managua. The small percentage of Managua turned both juices from very pale gold to amber, but still transparent. Unlike Managua, which is an opaque liquid and a notorious coil-gunker, I'm guessing that these ad hoc Frankenjuices will retain much of their clean-vaporizing quality, not as good as the MVJ extracts/juices alone, but better than a typical macerated NET.

I like all the MVJ clean cigar extracts I have---six in all, with 5 Vegas Cask Strength eking out a win as my favorite---mixed alone as single-extract juices, but I can say without hesitation that the addition of a little Managua winter-weight motor oil to the two I mentioned above is making for a satisfying change in their flavor profile. Suddenly I've got a juice/music system with a subwoofer!

I still haven't set up my Rocket (cheap Kayfun clone) and my Russian91 clone, which has been on a raft from China for six weeks now, hasn't arrived. From what I've read about all the Kayfun versions, however, I'll bet the MVJ cigar extracts/juices would be darned good in that JDS, especially with cotton wicks.