Natural Tobaccos

[PapawBrett]

Wassup, Papaw?

Nuthin' much. Truckin' 5- 6 days a week, although did get a good break Christmas Time. House full of In-laws, outlaws, babies crying, dogs barking- typical family holiday ! Quiet now, gonna take down the trees and decorations today.
Anyways, HHV finally (!) processed my order from the 22nd. I hope they keep up somehow. Shadowfax ( which I love) and Oompa (Which I haven't tried yet) are included. CravinVapes took my order in about 2 min., Three 'NET's in that one. Looks like we'll be vapin for awhile

P.S. Did y'all have a White Christmas in Michigan this year ? I miss those since we moved south 12 years ago.

 

[billherbst]

I have that many, just of stuff I don't even use anymore. And that is after I went on a juice purge of the REALLY bad stuff.

I have you both beat by a mile, which is a dubious distinction of shameful profligacy. Over my two years of vaping, I've bought retail juices and hardware like a drunken sailor. Luckily, I had sufficient disposable income to do it, so my insanely conspicuous consumerism in this one arena hasn't produced any serious harm, other than causing me a certain embarrassment when admitting to it.

My current stash of retail liquids (not to mention flavorings and DIY juices) contains 829 bottles representing about 700 different juices with over 10 liters of juice currently remaining in them. Of that ridiculous, over-the-top total, I vape about 150 of the juices and will eventually consume probably 3 liters or so (roughly two years' worth of vaping).

For instance, I have 4.4 liters of straight tobacco or tobacco blend juices made with synthetic lab-based flavorings. Once upon a time, I might have considered some of it halfway decent and at least marginally worth vaping. Now---after being seduced and spoiled by NETs (of which I have 2 liters)---synthetics hold precious little interest for me. In my defense, however, more than 2 liters of the synthetic tobaccos are RY4s, since I'm The Really Big RY4 Roundup guy and have reviewed about 120 RY4s. (Only a very small percentage of RY4s are currently made with NET, although happily that's changing.)

The remaining liter-and-a-half of synthetic tobaccos, along with equal amount of criminally bad non-tobacco juices, have been sentenced to Death Row with no possibility of parole. I wouldn't even be willing to take the time to look for people who would take them off my hands, unless you show up at my apartment, in which case you can leave with suitcases full of bad juice, if you like. Every so often I kill a few of the worst (by pouring them down the drain). Mostly, however, I'll just let old age and Juice Alzheimer's eventually put them six feet under.

I know all this for sure because I've maintained extensive juice and hardware databases of every vaping purchase since Day One, with all the relevant details. In the juice database, that means type (juice or flavoring), category (tobacco, bakery, fruit, etc.), name, vendor, date purchased, amount, nic strength, base blend, whether I still have it or it's gone, cost shipped, comments, and grade (A thru F). However OCD that may be, I like knowing, and the info comes in handy for posts like this.

I'll bet, though, that compared to at least some other ECF members, my juice stash and hardware collection look small.

My New Year's Resolution for 2013 is: Buy Less Vaping Stuff. LOL.

 

[EleanorR]

I have you both beat by a mile, which is a dubious distinction of shameful profligacy. Over my two years of vaping, I've bought retail juices and hardware like a drunken sailor. Luckily, I had sufficient disposable income to do it, so my insanely conspicuous consumerism in this one arena hasn't produced any serious harm, other than causing me a certain embarrassment when admitting to it.

My current stash of retail liquids (not to mention flavorings and DIY juices) contains 829 bottles representing about 700 different juices with over 10 liters of juice currently remaining in them. Of that ridiculous, over-the-top total, I vape about 150 of the juices and will eventually consume probably 3 liters or so (roughly two years' worth of vaping).

For instance, I have 4.4 liters of straight tobacco or tobacco blend juices made with synthetic lab-based flavorings. Once upon a time, I might have considered some of it halfway decent and at least marginally worth vaping. Now---after being seduced and spoiled by NETs (of which I have 2 liters)---synthetics hold precious little interest for me. In my defense, however, more than 2 liters of the synthetic tobaccos are RY4s, since I'm The Really Big RY4 Roundup guy and have reviewed about 120 RY4s. (Only a very small percentage of RY4s are currently made with NET, although happily that's changing.)

The remaining liter-and-a-half of synthetic tobaccos, along with equal amount of criminally bad non-tobacco juices, have been sentenced to Death Row with no possibility of parole. I wouldn't even be willing to take the time to look for people who would take them off my hands, unless you show up at my apartment, in which case you can leave with suitcases full of bad juice, if you like. Every so often I kill a few of the worst (by pouring them down the drain). Mostly, however, I'll just let old age and Juice Alzheimer's eventually put them six feet under.

I know all this for sure because I've maintained extensive juice and hardware databases of every vaping purchase since Day One, with all the relevant details. In the juice database, that means type (juice or flavoring), category (tobacco, bakery, fruit, etc.), name, vendor, date purchased, amount, nic strength, base blend, whether I still have it or it's gone, cost shipped, comments, and grade (A thru F). However OCD that may be, I like knowing, and the info comes in handy for posts like this.

I'll bet, though, that compared to at least some other ECF members, my juice stash and hardware collection look small.

My New Year's Resolution for 2013 is: Buy Less Vaping Stuff. LOL.

You win.

 

[PapawBrett]

I have you both beat by a mile, which is a dubious distinction of shameful profligacy. Over my two years of vaping, I've bought retail juices and hardware like a drunken sailor. Luckily, I had sufficient disposable income to do it, so my insanely conspicuous consumerism in this one arena hasn't produced any serious harm, other than causing me a certain embarrassment when admitting to it.

My current stash of retail liquids (not to mention flavorings and DIY juices) contains 829 bottles representing about 700 different juices with over 10 liters of juice currently remaining in them. Of that ridiculous, over-the-top total, I vape about 150 of the juices and will eventually consume probably 3 liters or so (roughly two years' worth of vaping).

Mamaw would be a self-induced widow long before then, 'cause she would kill me !

 

[gthompson]

I don't know if you order original Gandalf now that it's really the same as original Gandalf from June (Eleanor said it's pretty close), but the original Gandalf I'm vaping right now is pretty good.

 

[billherbst]

Mamaw would be a self-induced widow long before then, 'cause she would kill me !

Papaw,

Yes, that's one of the inevitable factors of being married. I don't know if your situation (having a main squeeze who is also a de facto jailer) is a liability or a boon for you (or, most likely, both), LOL. I'm single and live alone, so there's no one here to hold me back.

Generally speaking, what 63 years has shown me is that this looney-tunes American Dream of "no limits" that TV commercials either hawk as implicit subtext or overtly scream from the rafters ("Have whatever you want---everything you want---and have it now! NO LIMITS!!!) infects many people who find themselves in that privileged position, and they end up doing a lot of stuff that's crazy as hell or just plain silly. However over-the-top my vaping purchases seem to me, they can't hold a candle to excesses like CEOs who outfit their 17 palatial homes with 24k gold-plated toilets. I mean, if some is good, is more always better? And how much is enough? Well, where desire is concerned, the answer for human beings is apparently that no amount is ever enough.

Seems to me that there's much to be said for externally-imposed limits to unfettered "self-expression," however frustrating those limits may seem. I'm not lobbying for poverty or ascetic rejection of life's pleasures, but the Tao is finally about balance, right?

 

[PapawBrett]

I am married to the one person in this world who can put up with my crap and still love me, it's been that way for 28 years and I wouldn't have it any other way ! I'm not worried with CEO's or palacial estates 'cause I got something money can't buy. Just give me her warm smile at the door and some of her good cookin' (and yes she can really cook), a roof that don't leak and a paycheck that covers the mortgage, and I've got it good !

 

[Mr.Mann]

I am married to the one person in this world who can put up with my crap and still love me, it's been that way for 28 years and I wouldn't have it any other way ! I'm not worried with CEO's or palacial estates 'cause I got something money can't buy. Just give me her warm smile at the door and some of her good cookin' (and yes she can really cook), a roof that don't leak and a paycheck that covers the mortgage, and I've got it good !

I, Mr.Mann, present this award to PapwBrett for
ECF's
Post Of The Day!
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[TheCatsPajamas]

Whoohoo! The Caribbean and Honey Cured look like the same tobacco base, with Burley and light Virginia, just cured with a different flavor. I'm extremely stoked about the Honey, gonna pass on the Caribbean as rum flavors don't work for me being in recovery. I'll give it a week to order in hopes the Cherry becomes available.

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Im in recovery as well but consider my self recovered these days (contingent upon maintenance). I didn't find the Caribbean blend to be that close to a real beverage although the rum flavor is definitely present. Either way I didn't find the flavor to my liking. I wouldn't be too worried about the "alcoholic" Vapes ever though Mr. Mann has stated if you are trying to stay on the wagon you should be careful with these due to their authenticity. Key word "trying". Alcohol is no longer an issue I have been placed in a position of neutrality. Hope this doesn't come off the wrong way man, just my experience.

As far as blue fairy, I have some on the way with citrus added because I did try pluid and I feel it's intentions are good but execution lacks. I'm hoping this will be everything pluid should be. I let you know. :tounge:


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[TheCatsPajamas]

This far the MOV RY4 net has not wowed me and left something to be desired which is more tobacco flavor. However today I gave it another chance and although the tobacco is still more subtle than I would like, I've been finding it to be quite enjoyable. Seems to be a well balanced not overly sweet tobacco that would probably appeal to a wide range of vapers. Hmmmm interested to hear what Luce has to say about those testers on the way


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[Mr.Mann]

Im in recovery as well but consider my self recovered these days (contingent upon maintenance). I didn't find the Caribbean blend to be that close to a real beverage although the rum flavor is definitely present. Either way I didn't find the flavor to my liking. I wouldn't be too worried about the "alcoholic" Vapes ever though Mr. Mann has stated if you are trying to stay on the wagon you should be careful with these due to their authenticity. Key word "trying". Alcohol is no longer an issue I have been placed in a position of neutrality. Hope this doesn't come off the wrong way man, just my experience.

As far as blue fairy, I have some on the way with citrus added because I did try pluid and I feel it's intentions are good but execution lacks. I'm hoping this will be everything pluid should be. I let you know. :tounge:


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Totally! Caribbean Blend is not all that in your face with rum; although, the presence of that authentic tobacco could be just as enticing, at least with me, to the thought of drinking alcohol. I am not in recovery, but I am officially out of the life. Once I gave up tobacco in the form of cigarettes, all other vices relinquished their grip. Sometimes I sit with Devil Dog and go a little easy cause that is a juice that could hold up to a night of sloshyness!

 

[scarf-ace]

This is an interesting discussion. I am not an alcoholic, recovering or otherwise. I am however, a recovering cigarette smoker.

And yet here I am on a thread to find the tastiest and most authentic tobacco flavors (to the extent of brewing my own).

As a result of doing so, I have not had anyone say to me, Whoa, don't try vaping Devil Dog/Managua/whatever, it's so realistic-tasting it might send you right back to the cigarettes.

How is it different to recovering drinkers vis-a-vis liquor flavors?

I am genuinely asking out of curiosity and interest. I hope this isn't offensive.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

This is an interesting discussion. I am not an alcoholic, recovering or otherwise. I am however, a recovering cigarette smoker.

And yet here I am on a thread to find the tastiest and most authentic tobacco flavors (to the extent of brewing my own).

As a result of doing so, I have not had anyone say to me, Whoa, don't try vaping Devil Dog/Managua/whatever, it's so realistic-tasting it might send you right back to the cigarettes.

How is it different to recovering drinkers vis-a-vis liquor flavors?

I am genuinely asking out of curiosity and interest. I hope this isn't offensive.

Great point Scarf. The biggest difference I can see is that cigarettes don't ruin your life (just help end it quicker, lol) so the possibility of going back to them has less immediate consequences. Most alcoholics or addicts (same thing) engage in many very addictive activities after getting sober. Such as coffee, cigarettes, sex, spending money ect. (Myself included) for different reasons. Just go to an AA meeting and you will see everyone outside smoking and there is sure to be several pots or one very large pot of fresh brewed coffee, without fail. Sometimes they do these things in an attempt to fill the same void which was filled by drugs and alcohol or as continued vehicle for past behavior with less consequences. Many gain control of these things enough to moderate them or even stop after ample work has been done on ones self. And some continue to live very similar lives to their previous with these less consequential vices still out of hand and generally creating some kind of havoc on a much smaller scale but stunting growth none the less.

So it's matter of risk over reward or more so risk over consequence. One thing I have learned in recovery is that if you do the things suggested to the best of your ability alcohol and drugs should cease to be a temptation. I am around alcohol all the time and it doesn't bother me in the least. My close friend is a bartender and has been in recovery for 4 yrs. I have also know sober people who have small amounts of wine or beer in the house for guests. However I would never take a person who is newly sober to a bar or give them an alcohol flavored vape that is very realistic due to the fact they may not be properly armed yet with the adequate defenses to resist drinking. If I had to live my life in fear of alcohol then alcohol would still have control over me and that would be pretty miserable.

Wow that was way off the topic of nets and quite a bit of info. Cheers


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[Kable]

Great point Scarf. The biggest difference I can see is that cigarettes don't ruin your life (just help end it quicker, lol) so the possibility of going back to them has less immediate consequences. Most alcoholics or addicts (same thing) engage in many very addictive activities after getting sober. Such as coffee, cigarettes, sex, spending money ect. (Myself included) for different reasons. Just go to an AA meeting and you will see everyone outside smoking and there is sure to be several pots or one very large pot of fresh brewed coffee, without fail. Sometimes they do these things in an attempt to fill the same void which was filled by drugs and alcohol or as continued vehicle for past behavior with less consequences. Many gain control of these things enough to moderate them or even stop after ample work has been done on ones self. And some continue to live very similar lives to their previous with these less consequential vices still out of hand and generally creating some kind of havoc on a much smaller scale but stunting growth none the less.

So it's matter of risk over reward or more so risk over consequence. One thing I have learned in recovery is that if you do the things suggested to the best of your ability alcohol and drugs should cease to be a temptation. I am around alcohol all the time and it doesn't bother me in the least. My close friend is a bartender and has been in recovery for 4 yrs. I have also know sober people who have small amounts of wine or beer in the house for guests. However I would never take a person who is newly sober to a bar or give them an alcohol flavored vape that is very realistic due to the fact they may not be properly armed yet with the adequate defenses to resist drinking. If I had to live my life in fear of alcohol then alcohol would still have control over me and that would be pretty miserable.

Wow that was way off the topic of nets and quite a bit of info. Cheers


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I think it also helps that with tobacco flavored liquids, you're getting the same active ingredient that you would get from the real thing, and the activity is a closer approximation, so it's a more effective replacement. Congrats on your recovery, and best of luck in your continued success.

 

[aliens]

Hello everyone!

I have a little question for you. I consider trying DIY and I wonder if a NET base for it exist?

Thank you!

 

[Jerms]

NET NET NET NET NET

K got that out of the way lol. Some really cool posts to read tonight. First off Bill, holy crap. I'm holding off buying because I have around 500ml, enough for several months, but here your counting in LITERS and YEARS. I feel much better so thank you lol.

Cats, I really enjoyed reading your posts and am impressed by your candidness. I relate to about everything you said. Alcohol hasn't achieved the point of neutrality for me yet, but it's closer than it's ever been. The desire is gone, temptation virtually non-existant. The fear of going back is still there, but at a level that for now is probably healthy. My issue with not vaping alcohol drink flavored vapes isn't fear of temptation or relapse. It has to do with not being able to enjoy them yet because the reality and destruction of my actions is still fairly recent (8 months since last drink, tho years working in a recovery program) and I can't vape them passively without thinking of that. It's easy to avoid those flavors tho because I never drank for taste (one exception being absinthe) and don't even care that much for the flavors of rum, whiskey, ect. Take care all.

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[scarf-ace]

Thanks all, for helping me understand. I really appreciate it.

 

[Jerms]

Hello everyone!

I have a little question for you. I consider trying DIY and I wonder if a NET base for it exist?

Thank you!

The only ingredients I'm aware of would be Tobacco Absolute (TA) and Tobacco Extract (TE). TA is extracted from tobacco but is really a concentrate. Very small amounts are used. Many NETs and artificial tobacco juices contain it to provide an ashyness many relate to from cigs. I believe TE is the same but I am far from an expert so someone correct me if I'm wrong.



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[Jerms]

Thanks all, for helping me understand. I really appreciate it.

To add a little to your question Scarf, like Cats mentioned, it's about consequences. Smoking issues are mainly about health and secondhand smoke. They aren't related so much to our addiction to nicotine, but a result to the method we get our nicotine. Find a safer way to get the addictive drug in a manner smokers are willing to do and you solve almost all consequences, including many smaller ones like smelling like smoke and yellowing of teeth. To do that comparitively with alcohol I would have to find a way to get the effects of the alcohol without damaging health effects to the brain, liver, etc. Even if that was possible, I would still have all the other non-health related consequences which are as bad and worse than the health ones.

The only similarity the drugs nicotine and alcohol had to me was, at the end, both were consumed from wake to sleep. To be freed from active alcohol addiction is the greatest blessing an alcoholic can experience. To indulge in my nicotine addiction in a safer way is also a blessing to me.

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[PapawBrett]

This is an interesting discussion. I am not an alcoholic, recovering or otherwise. I am however, a recovering cigarette smoker.

And yet here I am on a thread to find the tastiest and most authentic tobacco flavors (to the extent of brewing my own).

As a result of doing so, I have not had anyone say to me, Whoa, don't try vaping Devil Dog/Managua/whatever, it's so realistic-tasting it might send you right back to the cigarettes.

How is it different to recovering drinkers vis-a-vis liquor flavors?

I am genuinely asking out of curiosity and interest. I hope this isn't offensive.

Lord willing, and I don't pick up before then, Jan 18th will mark 20 years of sobriety for me. Tobacco doesn't affect your judgement. or tell you "It's OK, no one will notice" or It's OK, she didn't understand me anyways" or It's OK, jail ain't that bad".....
For me personally, the toughest part of getting sober was changing the way I think. There is an obsesive, compulsive behavior most alchoholics develop over the years. Stinking Thinking, as some call it, can be a tough character trait to overcome. And, it only take 1 or 2 fluid ounces of ethyl alchohol to regenerate what Dr. Silkwood once described as " The Phenomenon of Craving"
Tobacco, on the other hand, is more of a slow poisoning of the physical body (not that alchohol isn't). The stinking weed never effected my moods or thinking process, unless I ran out, of course. Niether vice is any good. They just attack you in different ways.