Natural Tobaccos

[billherbst]

Yes, it's illegal to not like Smooth Criminal (LOL) in the same screwy, fascist way that it's illegal not to revere Gandalf/Legend/Serendipity.

Either way, one of two different mobs will show up with lit torches and rope, drag you from your vaping couch, and lynch you from the nearest tree. Or just tar and feather you. Or, at the very least, challenge everything you say.

 

[gthompson]

I don't belong to any mob, nor do I worship any juice vendor. I don't revere Gandalf/Legend/Serendipity. As a matter of fact, I despise Serendipity. What is this, more fanboy accusations?

 

[billherbst]

Hey gt, I wasn't accusing you of anything. Don't go all paranoid on me.

I was simply using an exaggerated image of a tendency among some people on ECF to aggressively defend whatever they like against anyone with a differing opinion. I wasn't implying that you do that, I was just adding the other side to what you posted.

 

[gthompson]

I was simply using an exaggerated image of a tendency among some people on ECF to aggressively defend whatever they like against anyone with a differing opinion.

That's kinda what I was referring to with my earlier comment about the tone of the forum changing. I find myself scared to say what I think about most any juice anymore.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Look, anyone who can read my signature knows how I feel about Ahlusion, but the purpose of the non-aromatics, as stated on the site, is not meant to "focus" on the tobacco "but [the] blend or flavors in [the] recipe;" and even if the intent was to focus on the tobacco, the particular tobacco used, Cavendish, is too mild with its "fairly neutral base" to do much more than play atmospherics. Shoot, a few of those juices are really meant to be Wlad's take, in a natural way, on some pre-existing artificial tobacco juices, so it wouldn't make any sense for them to be big and bold tobacco vapes. With a line as intense and legit as the aromatics, I think the subcategory of SFT or TINO is what it is: calling a spade a spade. We are not talking likes and dislikes. I don't like all or even most of W2V's Premium line, but I know what it is, and it ain't anything other than tobacco/pipe/cigar/chew (regardless of the ingredients -- a select few may know what I am getting at). I think most of us may go back and forth about what our favorites are, or even what tastes better; but, I will balk or laugh at, ridicule and even objectively call BS if anyone says that Ahlusion's aromatics and W2V's Premium line are not two of THE standard bearers of what a straight-up tobacco vape is (we can debate who else is on this list, and we probably will, but these two are non-debatable). Now, what constitutes an NET is pretty easy, no? Add some tobacco extract and there you go. I can put some tobacco in any juice no matter the other ingredients, and sure it may have a tobacco taste, but that does not constitute that which I am speaking of. I love, love some of Ahlusion's non-aromatics and would gladly take some those to a deserted island before many of W2V's Premium line, but I know what I would be travelling with: some fantastic tasting eliquid with tobacco notes and a well crafted assortment of other flavors.

It's okay to admit that your favorite NET is an SFT, though I can understand if some can't admit to status TINO!

 

[gthompson]

So just being a NET isn't enough to qualify a juice for mention in this thread now. It has to be a particular formulation of a NET, inspected and passed by..... oh bother, never mind, it's enough.

 

[erawk]

GT I think you need to relax.. The tone of this thread has been very positive.. No point to take offense to a difference in opinion.. No point in being confrontational about it and pulling the thread off topic..

I moved my coil wraps really close together, put 8wraps and probably could've done 9. They're pretty much touching. I made sure the coil wasn't restricting the wick at all. I am applying less heat to the Acadian gold... No burning now, only problem is its very bland.. Time to steep I guess.

I have a couple genesis clones that I can run with Nets, so I guess that's next.. But I'd really like to see a pic of a SS wick inside a dripping RBA (as previously mentioned) for a better idea on how to do it. I have 500 and 600 mesh. I'm hoping the AS might make it possible to turn the heat up..

*EDIT* I'm Sorry if this RBA talk might be off topic *

 

[VaporMizer]

...If anyone reading this wants unadulterated tobacco experience in its entirety (as a juice), not as an accent or just minimally there, there are really only 4 vendors for this as far as I can see: Ahlusion (aromatics), Want2Vape (premium), GoodeJuice (house brewed) and House of Liquid (el toro) and maybe, as an honorable mention, Vaperite.

I would add Mountain Oak Vapors (Pendragon, Sunday Morning) and My Vape Juice (My Hero and Savage) to this list as well.

Do any of these stand out as a price/performance bargain? (Edit for clarity: by this I mean where do you get the most quantity of good juice for the least money....best juice for the lowest price....cheap....I am cheap...I want the cheapest bestest NET juice sampler from a commercial vendor)

I want to make a small order to check out NETs even though I think DIY NET is going to be my mainstay.

My cigars have all been in the humidor for at least eight years and have picked up this great cedar note. Some of them are nearing 20 years old! Most tasty!

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

GT I think you need to relax.. The tone of this thread has been very positive.. No point to take offense to a difference in opinion.. No point in being confrontational about it and pulling the thread off topic..

I moved my coil wraps really close together, put 8wraps and probably could've done 9. They're pretty much touching. I made sure the coil wasn't restricting the wick at all. I am applying less heat to the Acadian gold... No burning now, only problem is its very bland.. Time to steep I guess.

I have a couple genesis clones that I can run with Nets, so I guess that's next.. But I'd really like to see a pic of a SS wick inside a dripping RBA (as previously mentioned) for a better idea on how to do it. I have 500 and 600 mesh. I'm hoping the AS might make it possible to turn the heat up..

*EDIT* I'm Sorry if this RBA talk might be off topic *

Sent from my Minds Eye

 

[Mr.Mann]

GT I think you need to relax.. The tone of this thread has been very positive.. No point to take offense to a difference in opinion.. No point in being confrontational about it and pulling the thread off topic..

I moved my coil wraps really close together, put 8wraps and probably could've done 9. They're pretty much touching. I made sure the coil wasn't restricting the wick at all. I am applying less heat to the Acadian gold... No burning now, only problem is its very bland.. Time to steep I guess.

I have a couple genesis clones that I can run with Nets, so I guess that's next.. But I'd really like to see a pic of a SS wick inside a dripping RBA (as previously mentioned) for a better idea on how to do it. I have 500 and 600 mesh. I'm hoping the AS might make it possible to turn the heat up..

*EDIT* I'm Sorry if this RBA talk might be off topic *

Well, the truth of the matter is that coils/wicks and such are to NETs as the amp is to the electric guitar: it's gotta be right, and it's very much in-line with the topic! Coils/wicks, except for the fortunate billherbst (damn you! LOL) are an integral part to successfully vaping a plethora of NETs without hassle. Especially if one wants to vape what's available and not just stick to ones that are faint, light, or "clean" juices-- some of the most noteworthy juices are also some of the most problematic...damn shame!

 

[Bronze]

I say if it tastes good...VAPE IT!. Beyond that, give it any name or acronym you want. If it makes others feel better that they can place me in a tidy category then I'm fine with it. It doesn't change the taste of the juice I am vaping so define away! Perhaps if I were an alien (e.g., fruit vaper), I wouldn't feel as passive about this as I do. God help me if I were a fruit vaper on this thread!!!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Do any of these stand out as a price/performance bargain? (Edit for clarity: by this I mean where do you get the most quantity of good juice for the least money....best juice for the lowest price....cheap....I am cheap...I want the cheapest bestest NET juice sampler from a commercial vendor)

I want to make a small order to check out NETs even though I think DIY NET is going to be my mainstay.

My cigars have all been in the humidor for at least eight years and have picked up this great cedar note. Some of them are nearing 20 years old! Most tasty!

Outside of GeJ, and maybe not even that if you are considering DIY, I wouldn't necessarily say "bargain." Now, if your idea of bargain takes into consideration the particular extraction processes and what it would take to do it on your own, then maybe. However, since GeJ uses a maceration (PG only), then maybe you would be, if not better suited, at least encouraged to try it on your own without lab equipment. Scarf-ace did a bang-up job out of her home. Hey, you could add a little bit of that TE you got and really jazz up a perfect juice for yourself!

 

[CarbonThief]

Lol, fruit...I like a little fruit with my tobacco, not the other way around as well.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Lol, fruit...I like a little fruit with my tobacco, not the other way around as well.

I got your back! I know that category well. I don't have an acronym for it, but I do have several juices that shoe fits.

 

[luceblueboy]

Do any of these stand out as a price/performance bargain? (Edit for clarity: by this I mean where do you get the most quantity of good juice for the least money....best juice for the lowest price....cheap....I am cheap...I want the cheapest bestest NET juice sampler from a commercial vendor)

I want to make a small order to check out NETs even though I think DIY NET is going to be my mainstay.

My cigars have all been in the humidor for at least eight years and have picked up this great cedar note. Some of them are nearing 20 years old! Most tasty!

Mountain Oak Vapors has a 3x15ml for 24.99 and 3x30ml 39.99. I know it's not exactly samples but not bad for price

 

[VaporMizer]

Outside of GeJ, and maybe not even that if you are considering DIY, I wouldn't necessarily say "bargain." Now, if your idea of bargain takes into consideration the particular extraction processes and what it would take to do it on your own, then maybe. However, since GeJ uses a maceration (PG only), then maybe you would be, if not better suited, at least encouraged to try it on your own without lab equipment. Scarf-ace did a bang-up job out of her home. Hey, you could add a little bit of that TE you got and really jazz up a perfect juice for yourself!

Thanks! I was leaning toward GeJ from all the other advice and posts I've read here...it already seemed like the best fit for me but I thought I'd ask about prices. I'll probably order next week sometime.

I've already been trying some DIY Frankenjuice...right now I'm vaping this RY4 concotion with my own 20+ year old Cuban cigar extract plus a tiny bit of commercial TE...even a small percentage of real tobacco extract adds a huge amount of extra satisfaction to the "feel" of the vaping experience. Plus the cedar note from the humidor makes every mixture into a great natural aromatic. Essence of humidor...

Mountain Oak Vapors has a 3x15ml for 24.99 and 3x30ml 39.99. I know it's not exactly samples but not bad for price

Thanks! I'll check them out too!

 

[SkinniePost]

Totally agree with what Mr.Herbst is saying... The defensive tone of the General E-Liquid Discussion Forum is becoming commonplace. I think it relates to having too many fan threads that really belong in the Lounge section, IMO. The more of these fan threads that are kept on the front page, the more likely the topics these threads are about will be trolled, knowing that a reaction will be easy to provoke.

Also take what Mr.Mann said, and then clarified... Not to be an attack on certain juices or a declaration that they do not deserve status in the Natural Tobacco thread. I think the point he is trying to make is one that will be helpful to new visitors of this thread in their search for a NET that fits their taste profile. Basically it is an attempt to classify and categorize the universe of NETs. Like music for instance... Genres of music are blurry, but if you like smooth jazz... You are more likely to find new music you like in that category, than the more general category of jazz. As it relates to NETs... There is a range from A-Z of the strength of tobacco flavor in the product... "A" being only strong, in your face tobacco, and "Z" being flavored tobacco where the scale it tipped heavily in the favor of the other flavors. For example, you could try to breakdown the NETs reviewed here into four categories... Straight Tobacco, Big Font Tobacco (Flavored), Small Font Tobacco (Flavored), and Tobacco Flavored. Straight Tobacco would be exactly that, nothing but tobacco. Big Font Tobacco for be something like 50/50 tobacco to flavor or higher, while Small Font Tobacco would be juice with higher than 50% flavoring. Tobacco Flavored would be the other end of the range, being some flavor with hints of tobacco. Of the juices I have tried, and this is not saying anything about whether or not they are good juice... Some of Ahlusion (BGB/DD), GeJ House Brewed (Patriot/Fire Cured/Etc.) and W2V Premiun/Vapenstein (Managua/Alcazar/Etc.) juices are Straight Tobacco. Some of Ahlusion Aromatics (Caribbean Blend/Honey Cured/Etc.), GeJ (Wrangler Lite) and Want2Vape (Cold Infusion/Tabak Especial/Etc.) are Big Font Tobacco. Some of Ahlusion Non-Aromatics, GeJ (GJ4/Apple Cured/Etc.), HHV (Gandalf/Dipity/ShadowFax/Etc.) could be considered Small Font Tobacco. And I am struggling to think of a Tobacco Flavored NET juice, but there certainly are some out there. Obviously there are juices that sit really close to the 50/50 line and could swing either way... So you could creatively say when describing them that they are Medium Font Tobacco... But the idea still works. I also think you could take Straight Tobacco and break it down by strength of extract... From heavy to mild, and in between... This sort of takes care of itself in the other two main categories, since a mild tobacco flavor is probably going to come through as less than 50% of the flavor in the mix.

The problem that is surfacing in this thread, IMO... Is one of feeling like you need to like Straight Tobacco or Big Font Tobacco to belong, which is silly. There is nothing wrong with preferring Small Font Tobacco, or liking stuff from multiple different categories. I personally tend to prefer stuff that is at least 75% tobacco flavored... And would love to know other juices that fit that profile. I like trying to pick out different flavors that come from a blend of tobacco versus picking picking the tobacco out of chocolate/vanilla/cherry flavors ... But I also like Small Font Tobaccos from time to time as well.

Hopefully this doesn't offend anyway... Since that is in no way the intention. Can't we all just get along and try to help people find a NET that fits their taste profile?

 

[SkinniePost]

This is an attempt to lighten things up around here, hehe... This video is the antithesis of what should being going on in here, IMO.

 

[PapawBrett]

I hope not to offend but to make peace with the following thread :

Why would one compare H.Upman to Macanudo to Fuentes y Fuentes ? Personal Preference. In his original posting (that's page 1 of this thread) luceblueboy stated, and I quote : "I want to start a thread for those looking for real tobacco flavors rather than anything artificial/ imitation. I am not bashing any vendor that uses artificial flavorings as some are very good. However, there's a few of us who still crave that quality tobacco taste (pipe, cigars, other non-cigarette tobaccos)" End Quote. I've noticed recent posts that seem to devide certain e-liquids into this phrase or that acronim. Regardless, we have one thing in common;
Real Tobacco was slowly killing you
I know, for over forty years it was killing me. We have all been liberated from a slow, miserable and quite possibly painful death at the hands of Lord Tobacco. For the record, I mostly smoked cigarettes while occaisionally enjoying Cavendish Pipe Tobacco and a Fuentes y Fuentes on holidays and special occaisions. These were my preferences, please feel free to disagree. In earlier postings along this thread I've used the terms "Stout" and "strong". These are terms I learned from the old JR Cigars Mail Order Catalogs years before there was ever a 'www.' anything. If my antiquated terms offended in any way, then I apologize for the offense, not what I've learned or how I've learned it. I've learned an immeasurable amount from this thread and the wonderful people here. A perticular shout out to Mr.Mann- back when I was still a green- newb (not that long ago) I was terrified of anything remotely tobacco, sticking with strictly sweet vapes. It was Mr. Mann who took the time to convince me to examine this thread. For that I thank you, sir. And, as always, a very special thanks to Luce, who started this wonderful thread. I close with another passage from Luce's original post :
"I call it objectional subjectivism; honesty without any ranting.

 

[Mr.Mann]

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