Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

Interesting, so BWB doesn't necessarily use NETs? I tried Adirondack and Virginia and they didn't seem to have anything in common flavor or texture with the NETs I have had from GeJ. Since those are the only two NET vendors I have tried and I'm pretty newt to NETs... I didn't think too much of it, just figured the process each used was different, but the BWB stuff does seem to be more like the synthetic liquids I have had.

Their RY4 and eJoker tasted like straight up real tobacco when fresh, but even still, if a vendor keeps everything underwraps, they clearly don't want to be on this kind of list anyway. I imagine he wants it to only be about the flavor and not about the ingredients, but we operate under different criteria. I may try a whole line of NETs to find the one I like, but I will not try a whole line of juices trying to find what I think to be NET. I have had many of BWB's juices, but I do not think of them in the context of NETs. BWB clealry usues some natural ingredients, but as far as tobacco, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[rdsok]

The problem I have with HB is that if a vendor uses one supposed extract in all of his tobacco juices, are we judging one juice, or a bunch or remixes? Does one extract (NET or TE/TA) make for a whole line? Does one NET make for an NET vendor?

The sarcasm was meant to be played with... not addressed seriously... though you do it well.

For what it's worth... I know of at least 3 distinct and different blends used by HBV... The Exotic ( also used in Menthol ), French Pipe and the Perique are all different... I haven't tried the Cigar but suspect is also a different blend as well. I'd guess that his RY4 also uses the Exotic blend but I can't say for certain since the tobacco is so in the background.

 

[Mr.Mann]

The sarcasm was meant to be played with... not addressed seriously... though you do it well.

Oh now worries. I know it was sarcastic, but it is worth considering.

I just want to go on record as saying that I think HighBrow is a really good vendor with a lot to offer. I personally like Bryan and how he operates. He has never been a jerk to me and he treats his customers well. That said, I don't consider his tobacco line to be NETs for the simple fact that they all have the same base--that like calling a restaurant with one steak and different sauces a steak house. One base with a bunch of different secondary ingredients does not make for the kind of vendor that I am talking about. However, I make no rules about anyone's list but my own.

For what it's worth... I know of at least 3 distinct and different blends used by HBV... The Exotic (also used in Menthol), French Pipe and the Perique are all different... I haven't tried the Cigar but suspect is also a different blend as well. I'd guess that his RY4 also uses the Exotic blend but I can't say for certain since the tobacco is so in the background.

I base all my comments about his tobaccos on what he said to me:

This is from a snippet from a conversation between Bryan and me: "...we do use a single base for all of our tobacco flavors..... Where each one differs is the components added secondary"

He does not disclose this on the website, but he does not hide it either. Bryan will tell anyone asking this because he is an honest guy from what I can tell.

 

[Bronze]

Someone asked straight out in their Vendor forum, heck it was probably you now that I think about it, and received an incredibly vague answer.

Vague describes their juices as well. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.

 

[Bronze]

The problem I have with HB is that if a vendor uses one supposed extract in all of his tobacco juices, are we judging one juice, or a bunch or remixes? Does one extract (NET or TE/TA) make for a whole line? Does one NET make for an NET vendor?

Nightmare on Elm Street 13 is still Nightmare on Elm Street.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Nightmare on Elm Street 13 is still Nightmare on Elm Street.

If you only had all 13 Nightmare on Elm Street movies, but no other ones, would you be a horror movie collector, or just a collector of Nightmare on Elm Street movies?

Well, speaking of Nightmare on Elm Street, I guess we should include VV, too? Not me. What about Catskill? Not on my list.

 

[gthompson]

Vague describes their juices as well. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it.

All the Kentucky Premium line tasted like the exact same juice with different flavors added.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Bronze, maybe your right, not that I am wrong, but I see your point for the purposes of a list. I'll include Highbrow and Vermillion but with an asterisk. LOL.

 

[Mr.Mann]

All the Kentucky Premium line tasted like the exact same juice with different flavors added.

You'd be correct, good sir. The only difference between them and HB is that Vermillion River's Poker Blend Line is different.

 

[rdsok]

All the Kentucky Premium line tasted like the exact same juice with different flavors added.

I had thought that was the point... taking a tobacco extract they liked and combining it with a variety of other flavors they thought others would like.

... of course, come to think of it... that may have just been some of the typical GT dry humor and here I'm the one now guilty of taking it seriously

 

[gthompson]

No humor, I was serious.

 

[RPadTV]

Bronze, maybe your right, not that I am wrong, but I see your point for the purposes of a list. I'll include Highbrow and Vermillion but with an asterisk. LOL.

An asterisk?!? After all that Roger Maris went through having an asterisk attached to his homerun record?!?

 

[billherbst]

Bill, I may have to try your frankenjuice method as the one thing I wouldn't mind is having a bit more coffee flavor in SM. What amount do you add to how many mLs of the juice, if you don't mind sharing trade secrets?!

CT,

No secrets here. The only problem is that I'm not sure. I started with a mostly full 15ml bottle of Sunday Morning and added five drops of FA Coffee Espresso (which is hands-down my favorite coffee flavoring concentrate out of the 28 in the flavoring drawers of my stash). Then I tried it. I kept adding a couple drops and test vaping until the coffee element became apparent (although not yet as strong as I wanted). I stopped at that point, however, since DIY has taught me that most flavorings tend to bloom later and be stronger after a couple days of steeping. Another technique would be to experiment with a 3ml sample, get that right, then either vape that before fixing up another 3ml or keep track of how many drops were used for 3ml and multiply that five times for 15ml or ten times for 30ml. I wasn't that careful, though, because I've developed a good feel for Frankenjuicing and wasn't worried about ruining that particular juice.

One of the reasons I'm not as big on HHV NETs is because I like to Frankenjuice. Metaphorically, I just want a couple scoops of really great vanilla ice cream, then I like making the sundae myself. HHV juices tend to be finished creations. Heather is a heck of a soda jerk. She's already chosen the ice cream, added the caramel or chocolate syrup, the nuts, the whipped cream, banana, and even the cherry on top. That's great for some people. I'm just more of a mad scientist/tinkerer/do-it-yourself kind of guy.

For instance, Ahlusion Vurley is an astonishing juice, as far as I'm concerned. But I wanted something a little less unique, so I mixed it 2:1 with Vecchio Blend. Sacrilege? Nah, just maximizing my own enjoyment.

 

[Bronze]

I had thought that was the point... taking a tobacco extract they liked and combining it with a variety of other flavors they thought others would like.

... of course, come to think of it... that may have just been some of the typical GT dry humor and here I'm the one now guilty of taking it seriously

To be honest with you, I suggested that to Rich at Quicknic. I love the flue-cured base they use in Proudest Monkey so much that I thought it could work for a variety of top notes beyond banana. I sure would like to try. Hell, I'd like it with no top notes added.

 

[Bronze]

CT,

No secrets here. The only problem is that I'm not sure. I started with a mostly full 15ml bottle of Sunday Morning and added five drops of FA Coffee Espresso (which is hands-down my favorite coffee flavoring concentrate out of the 28 in the flavoring drawers of my stash). Then I tried it. I kept adding a couple drops and test vaping until the coffee element became apparent (although not yet as strong as I wanted). I stopped at that point, however, since DIY has taught me that most flavorings tend to bloom later and be stronger after a couple days of steeping. Another technique would be to experiment with a 3ml sample, get that right, then either vape that before fixing up another 3ml or keep track of how many drops were used for 3ml and multiply that five times for 15ml or ten times for 30ml. I wasn't that careful, though, because I've developed a good feel for Frankenjuicing and wasn't worried about ruining that particular juice.

One of the reasons I'm not as big on HHV NETs is because I like to Frankenjuice. Metaphorically, I just want a couple scoops of really great vanilla ice cream, then I like making the sundae myself. HHV juices tend to be finished creations. Heather is a heck of a soda jerk. She's already chosen the ice cream, added the caramel or chocolate syrup, the nuts, the whipped cream, banana, and even the cherry on top. That's great for some people. I'm just more of a mad scientist/tinkerer/do-it-yourself kind of guy.

For instance, Ahlusion Vurley is an astonishing juice, as far as I'm concerned. But I wanted something a little less unique, so I mixed it 2:1 with Vecchio Blend. Sacrilege? Nah, just maximizing my own enjoyment.

Ha! I mix Tuscan Cocoa to Heavenly Army and Shadow to make it less sweet. Did you hear that? Add chocolate to make it less sweet!

 

[Mr.Mann]

An asterisk?!? After all that Roger Maris went through having an asterisk attached to his homerun record?!?

I think this is an interesting conversation, though. Who should be on the roll call? After some thought (Bronze coaxing), I can get down with HB and VRiver as well, but I think without an explanation for new vapers, there could be some confusion when tasting. I remember when we were talking about disclosing the tobacco used--but when its the same tobacco extract for every juice, I think that is should be known. Imagine someone who hates the base but they go though every juice trying to find a new tobacco. That would suck to get to the last one and be right back where you started. What if the vapers that dislike Latakia had no idea that every juice offered was a Latakia extract with different toppings.

 

[Bronze]

I think this is an interesting conversation, though. Who should be on the roll call? After some thought (Bronze coaxing), I can get down with HB and VRiver as well, but I think without an explanation for new vapers, there could be some confusion when tasting. I remember when we were talking about disclosing the tobacco used--but when its the same tobacco extract for every juice, I think that is should be known. Imagine someone who hates the base but they go though every juice trying to find a new tobacco. That would suck to get to the last one and be right back where you started. What if the vapers that dislike Latakia had no idea that every juice offered was a Latakia extract with different toppings.

I agree completely. I did not care for the VR tobacco base and their line is replete with that same base and I got the same result with every one of them. Turned out to be a major disappointment. Asterisks away!

 

[Mr.Mann]

I agree completely. I did not care for the VR tobacco base and their line is replete with that same base and I got the same result with every one of them. Turned out to be a major disappointment. Asterisks away!

Yeah, the same thing happened to me. I got more and more then realized that I hadn't left home base. LOL

 

[gthompson]

It isn't just NETs that vendors use the same base with different juices. I've run across a bunch. Heck, I'm convinced Boba's Bounty and Gorilla Juice are the same base. I think the high popularity of vendors that don't do that, an Ahlusion or an HHV for instance, is because while you might not like all their juices, there's a better chance you'll like at least some of them, because they aren't all the same. I liked VR okay, but had I not liked one of them, I wouldn't have liked any of them.

 

[Jerms]

Well, speaking of Nightmare on Elm Street, I guess we should include VV, too? Not me. What about Catskill? Not on my list.

Lol, the only list those deserve to be on is "NETs" that should be avoided at all costs, with Catskill being a vendor as a whole to stay far away from.

I think Alice in Vapeland shouldn't be on the list. They have had a few NETs released but not a single tobacco of any kind is on their regular menu.

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