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1. Chantix has killed more than a few people. Why no outrage on the part of the doctor? With those who did not die from using the product, many did not successfully quit smoking.
2. A closed system like juul does not represent the entire industry.
3. Open systems allow the user to reduce their nicotine, as they so desire.
4. As each day progresses, it is becoming more and more clear that the vast number, if not all, of the hospitalizations and deaths are from people using adulterated THC, mostly from the black market, but some also from legal dispensaries. THC has nothing to do with nicotine e-cigarettes, whatsoever.
2. A closed system like juul does not represent the entire industry.
3. Open systems allow the user to reduce their nicotine, as they so desire.
4. As each day progresses, it is becoming more and more clear that the vast number, if not all, of the hospitalizations and deaths are from people using adulterated THC, mostly from the black market, but some also from legal dispensaries. THC has nothing to do with nicotine e-cigarettes, whatsoever.
+ 1 to @Horselady154 and @kates The host said "in my opinion" and that is all it is. We all know that he didn't do a deep or extensive amount of research. Only closed systems (nonrefillable) like the tobacco-owned JUUL uses the really high nic juice that the host spoke of. The refillable open system vapes like most brick and mortar vape shops sell use much lower concentrations of nicotine, and the concentration can be decreased over time to none and vape no-nic flavors or quit vaping entirely. For myself I have "switched" as the host implied, but that is my personal choice. I use the most minimal amount of nic, about the equivalent of a regular coffee drinker using caffeine. Chantix has been attributed to over 3000 serious health problems, 500 suicide attempts, and 50 deaths. Vaping is twice as successful as nic gum or the patch. No combustion (no smoke) means that vaping is 95 per cent safer than smoking. So no smoke reallying is quitting smoking. No one is saying vaping is 100 per cent safe. Statistically its way safer than Chantix when you factor in the bad side effects, suicide attempts, and successful suicides.
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Yup, helping people switch, to a far less harmful delivery method, where is the harm in that. to those that don't understand:
bang bang Maxwell's silver hammer...
bang bang Maxwell's silver hammer...
Hey "doctor"... would you prefer we be dead from lung cancer????!!!! Some of us tried your preferred methods and guess what? IT DIDN'T WORK!!
That's the one that really gets me - 'you havn't quit smoking'. It's like telling an alcoholic that they havn't quit drinking because they still drink orange juice. Pathetic and ignorant.
I found nothing of value on that page. (NBC)
The "Dr." is a shill.
Remember "doc", nicotine is less harmful than caffeine and addiction is not a bad word.
Cheers
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The "Dr." is a shill.
Remember "doc", nicotine is less harmful than caffeine and addiction is not a bad word.
Cheers
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Kombucha might be a better analogy. Technically has some alcohol in it (a minute amount - technicality). I drink kombucha from time to time. I dare them to say that I'm a drinker
Well, in my opinion, addiction ain't a good word, either. lol. But, it is what it is and vaping nicotine is one heck of a lot healthier for me than smoking the cigarettes that I used to.
You know what, I'd say TRUE, switching is not quitting. But it is the next best thing to quitting.
Exactly the definition of harm reduction!
Someone needs to educate NBC.
Switching from white to wholegrain bread is not quitting either!! Still good and healthy.
Exactly the definition of harm reduction!
Someone needs to educate NBC.
Switching from white to wholegrain bread is not quitting either!! Still good and healthy.
A better analogy is a person who uses illegal injectable opiates (can't say the real name, but you know) and switching them to medically assisted therapy with things like suboxone and methadone isn't quitting either. Except with switching they can lead normal lives without risk of multiple medical problems and overdoses associated with shooting up. More puritanical BS, and and insult for someone in the medical community to take that sort of stance.
There was no way for me to cut back(I'd just go back to where I was at, or smoke more) or quit smoking cold turkey.. if it weren't for vaping, I'd still be smoking.
Methadone isn't a trade its a medical assistance to quit by reducing dosage so there are less physical withdrawal symptoms that can be quite dangerous. Its a program for addiction, not the substance.
Not sure I follow. Why is it a program for addiction and not the substance? Also, many methadone users never lower their dose to wean off and remain on it indefinitely and that is acceptable, if not optimal, from a harm reduction perspective. The same is true with suboxone, The recidivism rate with weaning off is quite high, and so resuming treatment extremely common.
I'm just try to understand your differentiation of a program for addiction not from substance.
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It depends on the subject.
Nicotine? Nope, did not quit (but DID switch...).
Smoking, on the other hand...
You seem to know alot about it... Its use is different in each country. In the UK they also prescribe pharmaceutical H.
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