Seriously it all depend on how the sales of this during this season, if it works out and who know it maybe NY Government will be eyeing on the Revenune out of it. but i guess it won't be selling like Iphone does unless the Kiosk machine can do Demostraion in front of those Smokers.
Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.
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Are you saying the Kiosk is an unattended machine? Are you sure about that?
That's what Jimho was questioning. It would seem to be a language thing. A mall kiosk isn't a vending machine, but it would seem that Zerol might have thought it was.
Sorry to All, at First i thought it was a Kiosk machine, so is not. erm... than this will be even great.
That means is the Same as Twisp Kiosk @ South Afirca. So that mean this is going to be turning out even great. People will get to know this even better. how i wish Singpaore can do this but the Law have already ban it too early. you know Singapore Government re-act by Banning this before all people get to really know it Benefits. Maybe my Government really care about the Health of Singaporean
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Currently We are able to use the Janty eGo design in Singapore as i can get it back even if my parcel get held up by the Government HSA. so Personal Comsumption is ok but Selling is a no go for now.
That means is the Same as Twisp Kiosk @ South Afirca. So that mean this is going to be turning out even great. People will get to know this even better. how i wish Singpaore can do this but the Law have already ban it too early. you know Singapore Government re-act by Banning this before all people get to really know it Benefits. Maybe my Government really care about the Health of Singaporean
blushJanty World - Twisp Kiosk! - Janty World | Janty World
Currently We are able to use the Janty eGo design in Singapore as i can get it back even if my parcel get held up by the Government HSA. so Personal Comsumption is ok but Selling is a no go for now.
Sorry to All, at First i thought it was a Kiosk machine, so is not. erm... than this will be even great.
That means is the Same as Twisp Kiosk @ South Afirca. So that mean this is going to be turning out even great. People will get to know this even better. how i wish Singpaore can do this but the Law have already ban it too early. you know Singapore Government re-act by Banning this before all people get to really know it Benefits. Maybe my Government really care about the Health of Singaporean
Janty World - Twisp Kiosk! - Janty World | Janty World
Currently We are able to use the Janty eGo design in Singapore as i can get it back even if my parcel get held up by the Government HSA. so Personal Comsumption is ok but Selling is a no go for now.
I think there are some cultural differences at play here- alot of the argument that "the opposition" is making is because these types of business exist as stands (kisosks) in shopping malls. This is not the first in the US or in NY in fact we have chains like smoking everywhere popping up in shopping malls. Their argument is that because so many kids hang out in these malls that the e-cigs are readily available to underaged teen agers and thus will end up in their hands. You could argue that the presence of a kisosk in Albany's biggest shopping mall (that's not saying much) will create a learning opportunity for our government officials, but I think it has an equal if not better chance of havinging a negative effect.
I suppose this post is useless without pictures too ... you could have just asked nicely.
He said he avoids that mall - but he'd try and check it out over the holiday weekend.
They are banning them because they are loosing too much money! A normal pack of smokes is 10 bucks in NY.. And most people are going to esmokes..thus NY isnt getting the revenue from tobacco.
Living in Ny the past 12 yrs or so I can say that they have np taxing us particuliarly when it somes to ecigs. The bottom line is Ny is in major debt. In serious trouble. They have stated since cigerettes are not a necessity it will be one of the first things they tax and tax heavily. And yea marb lights are right about $10 a pack atm. About 65% of that goes to the state. Ny is not afarid to treat you poorly if you live here and let you know about it. This wont go away. As ecigs grow they are going to want there cut and will say all sorts of reasons which really doesnt matter. In my eyes eventually they are going to succeed. Its just a matter of time. State is a mess.
NY will either find a way to tax esmoke or ban them..Likely ban them because they are loosing massive revenue from analogs. I have a x army buddy in upstate NY he says he cant afford smokes and he heads over to PA to buy them. Esmokes are extremely economical and NY hates this. NY is in very bad shape financially.. look for more 'sin taxes' on stuff that gives any pleasure..like sexual devices, booze, smokes, hookas, esmokes..porn,inflatable dolls..whatever..
I'm in NC and one of the largest malls in the area has a store in it called The Tinderbox. It has the best German Sausage Hoagies complete with grilled onions and bell peppers in addition to sauerkraut if you like it, and it's generally served with a bottle of high-end German beer in it or a glass to pour the German beer into but regardless, this is not exactly a store. It's not exactly a restaurant either. It has more import (and domestic but the import beer selection is amazing; I like that b/c I don't drink domestic beer) beers than any other place in tri-county area. Not only do they serve the best import/domestic beer and various meals of most any ethnic group albeit the sausage hoagies with German beer is one of the top sellers, they also sell fine cigars, fine wines (ie expensive wines), and other alcohol/tobacco options... I'd bet almost anything that nobody in the NC government is going to shut that place down because too many hot-shot defense attorneys, government officials, and congressional members go there to eat.
You can rest assured the states will never touch alcohol nor will they crucify it the way they have cigarettes and now attempting the coup that brought down the unsuccessful prohibition on the governments that occurred when they banned alcohol. All they did was ramp up a great business from the moonshiners who were distributing across the country and making a fine line for themselves in the process hence destroying the plans of the government.
This type of black market sell will begin if they ban analogs or e-cigs. They just haven't put their thinking caps on nor have they read anything related to the history of the major FUBAR outcome of prohibition in the banned alcohol days... It strikes me as weird that back in those days, anyone could buy Laudanum without any difficulty yet the drinking folks had to turn to juke joints and speak-easy underground bars to drink alcohol brought up from the south not to mention the stories of the hundreds of thousands who make what is now referenced as "bathtub gin." The rich and controlling won't allow the government to screw with their expensive & difficult to come by high-end booze yet they will take things to the farthest reaches they can to ban cigarettes.
You can rest assured the states will never touch alcohol nor will they crucify it the way they have cigarettes and now attempting the coup that brought down the unsuccessful prohibition on the governments that occurred when they banned alcohol. All they did was ramp up a great business from the moonshiners who were distributing across the country and making a fine line for themselves in the process hence destroying the plans of the government.
This type of black market sell will begin if they ban analogs or e-cigs. They just haven't put their thinking caps on nor have they read anything related to the history of the major FUBAR outcome of prohibition in the banned alcohol days... It strikes me as weird that back in those days, anyone could buy Laudanum without any difficulty yet the drinking folks had to turn to juke joints and speak-easy underground bars to drink alcohol brought up from the south not to mention the stories of the hundreds of thousands who make what is now referenced as "bathtub gin." The rich and controlling won't allow the government to screw with their expensive & difficult to come by high-end booze yet they will take things to the farthest reaches they can to ban cigarettes.
Unfortunately, until the voters get so tired of their elected officials going to Washington and forgetting their campaign promises, it will be very hard to reign them in.
Ask yourself WHY the elected representatives are able to pass their own raises and golden parachute retirement plans. They are representatives of their states and should be paid from state funds!!! Only then will we have some control over them!
Ask yourself WHY the elected representatives are able to pass their own raises and golden parachute retirement plans. They are representatives of their states and should be paid from state funds!!! Only then will we have some control over them!
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor Maggie Fox, Health And Science Editor – Tue.Dec.7, 8:49.pm.ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Food and Drug Administration can only regulate "e-cigarettes" as tobacco products and not as drugs, and thus cannot block their import, a U.S. appeals court ruled on Tuesday.
The ruling by three judges of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit infuriated tobacco activist groups and will allow e-cigarette maker Sottera Inc. to start importing its NJOY products.
"Electronic cigarettes are battery-powered products that allow users to inhale nicotine vapor without fire, smoke, ash, or carbon monoxide," the court said in its ruling.
"The liquid nicotine in each e-cigarette is derived from natural tobacco plants."
Congress gave the FDA authority to regulate tobacco products -- but not to ban them -- in 2009.
The ruling affirms a lower court decision from January. "The FDA's refusal to admit NJOY's products into the United States obviously destroyed the firm's ability in the United States to cover its costs for purchase or production of e-cigarettes," the appeals court said.
Sottera Inc. which markets NJOY products as an alternative to cigarettes, welcomed the ruling.
"The ultimate impact of this court decision will be to lift the current import restrictions on NJOY electronic cigarettes and provide a regulatory framework for NJOY to make progress on its mission to be the most responsible electronic cigarette manufacturer on the market," the company said in a statement.
Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said it would take time for the FDA to assert its jurisdiction over e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
"This decision will allow any manufacturer to put any level of nicotine in any product and sell it to anybody, including children, with no government regulation or oversight at the present time," Myers said in a statement.
"We urge the government to appeal this ruling."
In September, the FDA sent warnings to five makers of electronic cigarettes, saying they were marketing them illegally as stop-smoking aids, and said it intended to regulate the products as drugs.
In October e-cigarette maker Smoking Everywhere Inc settled a civil suit brought by California by agreeing not to target sales and advertising to minors or to claim that its products are safe alternatives to tobacco.
Sales of Smoking Everywhere products are banned outright to anyone under 18 years of age as part of the settlement.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101208/us_nm/us_fda_cigarettes
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Food and Drug Administration can only regulate "e-cigarettes" as tobacco products and not as drugs, and thus cannot block their import, a U.S. appeals court ruled on Tuesday.
The ruling by three judges of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit infuriated tobacco activist groups and will allow e-cigarette maker Sottera Inc. to start importing its NJOY products.
"Electronic cigarettes are battery-powered products that allow users to inhale nicotine vapor without fire, smoke, ash, or carbon monoxide," the court said in its ruling.
"The liquid nicotine in each e-cigarette is derived from natural tobacco plants."
Congress gave the FDA authority to regulate tobacco products -- but not to ban them -- in 2009.
The ruling affirms a lower court decision from January. "The FDA's refusal to admit NJOY's products into the United States obviously destroyed the firm's ability in the United States to cover its costs for purchase or production of e-cigarettes," the appeals court said.
Sottera Inc. which markets NJOY products as an alternative to cigarettes, welcomed the ruling.
"The ultimate impact of this court decision will be to lift the current import restrictions on NJOY electronic cigarettes and provide a regulatory framework for NJOY to make progress on its mission to be the most responsible electronic cigarette manufacturer on the market," the company said in a statement.
Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, said it would take time for the FDA to assert its jurisdiction over e-cigarettes as tobacco products.
"This decision will allow any manufacturer to put any level of nicotine in any product and sell it to anybody, including children, with no government regulation or oversight at the present time," Myers said in a statement.
"We urge the government to appeal this ruling."
In September, the FDA sent warnings to five makers of electronic cigarettes, saying they were marketing them illegally as stop-smoking aids, and said it intended to regulate the products as drugs.
In October e-cigarette maker Smoking Everywhere Inc settled a civil suit brought by California by agreeing not to target sales and advertising to minors or to claim that its products are safe alternatives to tobacco.
Sales of Smoking Everywhere products are banned outright to anyone under 18 years of age as part of the settlement.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101208/us_nm/us_fda_cigarettes
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What I suspect will happen if they try to ban them in certain states or tax them too heavily is that people will just buy the e-juice and make their own. PITA that that route is...
Not really a PITA at all- especially if you premix unflavored to the dilution you need.... plus its alot cheaper, easier to experiment with flavors, and fun and you know exactly what you're getting in your juice.
How is it not a pain if you have to spend time carefully boiling the cartridges, blowing water out of them, letting them dry for a day or more, then going through adding the liquid and hoping for the best? I got my stuff from tastyvapor and assuming the juice is right, it should have been easy and cheap, right? Here'sd what I started with:
1 x 4 Oz. Doublers - Mojito
- PG/VG mix: 20% VG
2 x Miscellaneous Products - 5 x 15ml dropper bottles
1 x E-Liquids - 1 oz. - Mojito
- PG/VG mix: 20% VG
- Strength: 48mg
I added the 1 oz of 48mg to the 4 oz of doubler which gave me 5oz of nothing. When I got to inhale from any of the 20 or so cartridges, I might get a faint puff of vapor. Yet when I buy them ready to go, they work fine.
OT- let's not hijack the thread, but I'll respond 1x:
what you do with cartriges you have to do regardless... I don't bother with them anymore- I use bottom feeds or drip- you might want to try it.
can't speak for your choice of flavors and I don't use doublers- I mix from scratch flavors (mostly PA, FA, LorrAnns..).
Get in on a flavor coop or just buy a bunch of 10ml or 20ml samlers directly- look in the DIy subforum for ideas on recipes.
buy a good quantity of 100mg nic juice and split into 30ml glass bottles diluted to 50mg- keep them in the freezer.
take one of those and pre-dilute it further into 30ml bottles at the right percentage (i use 15% and 50/50 vg/pg) leaving room for 10% flavor.
when I want to mix some up, i add 1ml flavor to 9ml juice... If I want it a bit stronger, add a few drops of flavor...less effort than a cup of coffee
Startup costs are a bit high but $100-150 will go a long way (like 6 months) if you buy smartly ..
more details on easy ways to measure and where to buy supplies/VG/PG and Nic at good prices as well as help on how to make it work for you in the DIy subforum.
what you do with cartriges you have to do regardless... I don't bother with them anymore- I use bottom feeds or drip- you might want to try it.
can't speak for your choice of flavors and I don't use doublers- I mix from scratch flavors (mostly PA, FA, LorrAnns..).
Get in on a flavor coop or just buy a bunch of 10ml or 20ml samlers directly- look in the DIy subforum for ideas on recipes.
buy a good quantity of 100mg nic juice and split into 30ml glass bottles diluted to 50mg- keep them in the freezer.
take one of those and pre-dilute it further into 30ml bottles at the right percentage (i use 15% and 50/50 vg/pg) leaving room for 10% flavor.
when I want to mix some up, i add 1ml flavor to 9ml juice... If I want it a bit stronger, add a few drops of flavor...less effort than a cup of coffee
Startup costs are a bit high but $100-150 will go a long way (like 6 months) if you buy smartly ..
more details on easy ways to measure and where to buy supplies/VG/PG and Nic at good prices as well as help on how to make it work for you in the DIy subforum.
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