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Need rec for good STRONG tobacco flavor for cutting...

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  1. lorraineg57

    lorraineg57 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2009
    Outside Pgh, PA
    I used the 555 from MVS and it was okay. When I ran out, I decided to try unflavored since I use menthol drops but now it's way too menthol and no tobacco. I've actually not used my e-cig for quite awhile but I need to get back on the thing, I'm back to analogs....

    I use between 9-12mg cut so I need a good tobacco flavor (preferably from MVS or JL) that will withstand cutting to that strength.

    TIA,
    Lorraine
     
  2. aseeryl

    aseeryl Full Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 15, 2009
    UK
    Best I've come across is flue-cured tobacco juice. It's a strong flavour that cuts 50% with VG OK - some loss but not as much as milder "brand" type juice. I get it from Ruyan but there are probably others.
     
  3. yknotagain

    yknotagain Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 16, 2009
    Kenosha, WI
  4. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Good question. Unless I'm missing something I havne't been able to find any place that sells 'tobacco' as a flavor in the same manner that lorann's sells concentrated flavors. liquidxpress has 'flavorings' and most are quite good but they come in a 10ml bottle much like regular juice. They work well as flavorings but again, aren't in the 'concentrated' form. I'd like to know what other DIYers use.... I'm not looking for somthing especially strong, just a tobacco flavoring. I have used other tobacco juices up to now but I wonder where they get their tobacco flavoring for those juices.
     
  5. MaxUT

    MaxUT Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2009
    Ogden, UT, US
    I agree, I received Double Flavor 24mg Dunhill, Virginia, Vanilla and RY4 yesterday, and all are strong. I could easily cut the Dunhill by 50% and still have enough taste.
     
  6. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    Anyone.....
     
  7. MaxUT

    MaxUT Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2009
    Ogden, UT, US
    Oh Kent, you're still waiting for an answer.... :oops:

    I ordered tobacoo absolute from Samara Botane, 5ml for $18.00:

    TOBACCO ABSOLUTE: Samara Botane Online

    I've tried it and it works-- I didn't dilute it, just used a tiny smear of it on a cartridge before I filled it with EcoPure. Need to dilute it in PGA for use; will do so this weekend (if my bottles get here...).

    Ethyl Maltol is also recommended for use with TA to smooth its taste:

    Ethyl Maltol - crystalline powder

    Kate51 helped me a lot with questions on creating tobacco flavors.

    Cheers!
     
  8. MaxUT

    MaxUT Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2009
    Ogden, UT, US
    Tobacco Absolute, diluted for mixing:

    6ml alcohol
    3 drops Tobacco Absolute
    Crushed Ethyl Maltol crystals, volume equivalent to 1 drop
     
  9. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    I'm assuming you've done your homework on this (or Kate51) and the fact that it's called an 'essential oil' that it doesn't mean it's an actual 'oil'. I looked over the extraction methods and while I don't fully understand it all, again assuming you've had no atomizer problems..

    Thanks for the links!
     
  10. MaxUT

    MaxUT Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 4, 2009
    Ogden, UT, US
    Kent C: I'm assuming you've done your homework on this (or Kate51) and the fact that it's called an 'essential oil' that it doesn't mean it's an actual 'oil'. I looked over the extraction methods and while I don't fully understand it all, again assuming you've had no atomizer problems..

    Here's my view:
    3 drops of TA in 6ml of PGA yields a 2.4% concentration.
    2 drops of diluted TA in 10ml of unflavored liquid yields a .024% concentration.

    [assumption: 20 drops = 1ml]

    Say the TA contained 10% residual solvent; its concentration in the finished juice would be something like .0024%.

    Pretty low. "The dose makes the poison" so I'm not going to worry about it.
     
  11. Kent C

    Kent C ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 12, 2009
    NW Ohio US
    I appreciate that, and I agree. I have some 'menthol/eucalytus' that is 'essential oil' that I'd like to try as well. I'll have to look up the extraction method to make sure but the 'absolute' looks like the safest to use here. I've seen the cautions and the 'spreadsheet' on the loranns stuff but haven't really read of anyone having tried an actual oil and what happened, etc.
     
  12. lorraineg57

    lorraineg57 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2009
    Outside Pgh, PA
    I'm on their website...does it say double strength somewhere that I'm not seeing?
     
  13. yknotagain

    yknotagain Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 16, 2009
    Kenosha, WI
    I just got the bad news last night lorrain - I'm not happy right now.


    From:
    "Chris Yelton" <chris@myfreedomsmokes.com>

    To:
    "Eric Oertle" <yknotagain@yahoo.com>
    No more double flavor...china will not guaranty it so I'm not comfortable offering it.


    Chris Yelton / MyFeedomSmokes.com
     
  14. doots

    doots Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 22, 2009
    Thats Really bad. I loved them so..
     
  15. Applejackson

    Applejackson Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 30, 2009
    Albany, NY

    OH NO! Crapcrapcrapcrapcrap.:(
     
  16. lorraineg57

    lorraineg57 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2009
    Outside Pgh, PA
    I ended up ordering from MVS....MFS didn't have any 901 cartridges and I didn't want to pay shipping from 2 places...I got the Virginia flavor so here's hoping....
     
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