New 510 woes

[sinewave]

Hi all,

I got my new 510 (manual button) kit 2 days ago, and I have to say I'm kind of disappointed. I've tried a handful of methods and 3 different brands of juice. I'll outline what I've tried and if anyone has any input or suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated.

Cartridge + atomizer: Barely produces any vapor, regardless of the juice used. I fill the cartridges by dripping from the bottles right into the poly material until the material is soaked through.

Drip tip + atomizer: This method produces good amounts of vapor - for 5 or 6 puffs. Then it needs more. I touch the dropper directly to the bridge of the atomizer and drip twice. Even with that much I can hear a gurgling/bubbling noise for the first few inhales, so I'm afraid any more than two drips would flood the atomizer/battery.

Cartomizer: The cartos usually produce pretty good vapor, but it depends on the juice used. The fruitier/lighter colored juices don't seem to like the cartos - they don't produce much vapor. The darker, stronger juices produce a more satisfactory amount of vapor. This seems to be the best method so far. I'm using Boge SR (standard resistance) cartos from Joogler Juice. I fill them by popping off the white rubber mouthpiece and dripping around the edges until the filler material is saturated.

Am I doing something wrong? Should I try a different kind of cartos? I hear a lot about low resistance cartos - would those produce thicker vapor?

Any input is appreciated, thank you all for listening!

 

[dotma]

Sorry, im a relative noob -- what kind of 510?

 

[mooreted]

If you have a standard, small-battery 510 then you can only use standard resistance (3.0 ohm) cartomizers. The LR cartomizers will kill your battery.

Juices with more VG produce more vapor with less throat hit. Juices with more PG give more throat hit while producing less vapor. Lower resistance cartos give more vapor and throat hit. Higher voltage mods give more throat hit and vapor.

It takes some practice to find the right combination for you. Most would suggest you forget the atty+cart setup and go with cartomizers. Probably the best would be a bottom-feeder mod like Reo, Darwin or Vmod. I haven't tried a mod yet, but people seem to really like them.

 

[tmcase]

Welcome sinewave. I don't see that you are doing anything wrong. The Boge SR is a good carto but on a 510 you might want to try a LR. You can't expect too much from any slim ecig like the 510 that's why most people upgrade right a way to a ego or Riva style ecig. The batts last a lot longer, flavor is better and you get more vapor. I have a 510 passthrough that produces a lot of vapor but that is 5v and yours is 3.2v with a load. If you really want to stay with the 510 then all I can suggest is LR cartos and higher VG for vapor.

 

[dormouse]

I like Boge SR's on 510. And slim ecigs should only use standard resistance.

Vapor is purely a factor of VG content for me between juices on the same PV and setup. If you use 100% PG you get weak vapor that mostly disappears before you exhale it. I used to use 70PG/30VG but when I started alternately filling one with 2 vanillas, one 70/30 and one 80/20 I noticed I could feel the drag degrade when I added the 30. So I started using only juices with 10-20% VG and a couple of Vapor4Life WOW juices I like which about as thin as 90/10 but may be thinned 80/20. You will never get a ton of vapor with a slim 510 (3.2-3.4v) and standard resistance and high PG juices. But if you use thicker juices then you have to fight with them and they may wick too slow and cause you to singe the carto. When I want more hit and a bigger drag/vapor I move the carto onto a 3.7v device like a box mod or my Riva 510 (from Liberty-Flights.com where the Riva 510 kits are 3.7v 0 under $30 for a kit if you first press the 20% off upper left front page) .

Re other slim ecigs - if you want more hit out of the same juice and bigger drags consider SmokelessImage Volt manuals (best sealed but 5 second cutoff), or Vapor4Life manuals (10-13 second cutoff, threaded end of manuals still have a hole but look like they are sealed inside). For either I recommend you try the cartos from SmokelessImage and Bloogplanet. They are different from the V4L cartos and seem to give more vapor more easily (bottom coil and slightly looser stuffing). These are all KR808D-1

Note - I also avoid juices that drop flavoring sediment in the stuffing - sediment gunks up attys and clogs cartos, ruining the drag and wicking and shortening the life of a carto. With thin clear juices I can get 10 days use out of a Boge.

 

[Maximillian]

Heyas Sinewave,

Unless you're willing to part with some more coin, I can't think of anything much different you can do. A few suggestions though.

First, as for only getting 5 or 6 good hits before having to add more liquid when dripping, that's just the nature of the beast. That's all you're ever likely to get when dripping. If you have a drip tip, you can put a couple drops directly into the drip tip without removing, for added convenience. Dripping tends to give better flavor than any other method, but you have to constantly "drip" more juice into the atty (or drip tip).

As far as getting more vapor, the way i look at it is that vapor is just for show. Taste is most important to me, followed by th. I don't know what kind of liquid you have, but 100%pg will give the best th and taste, as others have said. If you can do without the visual of large clouds of vapor, this may help.

Assuming that you're using 100% pg (no vg) juice, when filling a carto for the first time with the method you described, fill from the edge until the filler looks like it has a bit of slush on top. Then let it sit for at least 20 mins so the juice can wick completely through the filler. Then fill a few more times, waiting a few minutes in between, until the slushy look doesn't go away. Blow out the carto, from the large end, into a tissue to remove excess juice, and enjoy.

If you're using carts, after you fill it to a slushy level, take a bent paper clip or a pin, insert it between the edge of the cart and the filler material, and maybe wiggle it just a bit. That will get the juice to move down into the cart more. Repeat until slushy look doesn't go away. This is with 100%pg once again. Or, very low vg content. Personally I don't like carts, but if you get them to work well for you, more power to you!

That's all I can suggest with the gear you have described.

IF you're willing to part with more coin, then like Dormouse said, a fat batt will allow you to use LR cartos, which will show you improvement across the board. +1 to liberty flights for great prices on fat batt kits. There shipping is fantastic also. I've ordered from them twice, and both times they shipped the same day, and shipped usps priority mail, even though their shipping is only 3 bux.

If you check out the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals.html thread, there's some vendor that someone posted there that is currently running a buy one get one free deal on kits. So, 2 complete ego kits for $48 plus shipping, irrc. I haven't ordered from them before, but might be worth taking a look at.

Then of course, there's the expensive vv mods, like the infinity pro. Or the real expensive mods like the reo (as if you could ever find one in stock even if you wanted to buy one). And then there's the REALLY expensive vv mods like the darwin or provari, in the event that money is no issue at all to you


Happy hunting,
Maximillian the Vaguely Disreputable

 

[mooreted]

I don't let my cartos sit to absorb juice. I use the Taryn Spin; better/quicker saturation and I can get more juice in a carto that way.

 

[joemag]

With carts, be sure to pull the poly material nearly flush with the end of the cart, so that the atomizer bridge nestles in.

 

[BBell639]

You might also try the new JoyeTech 510 Tanks - it's like dripping, because it suspends your E-Juice in a tank instead of foam. But I am sorry to say that your vapor production wont increase much... Small atty, small vaper has been my (limited) experience. However, i will say I like the 510 the best out of all the small attys out there.

 

[thedevil]

I do a double hit and get adequate vapor. Using a Versus 510 w/vapor station cherry almond and blackberry juices. I remember reading that all VS juice was 60/40 pg/vg and I get plenty of vapor. Hope this helps!

 

[thedevil]

Also, I pull out the polyfill and drop 4 or 5 drops in and replace the poly and top off so it's completely saturated. I initially found that even pulling and poking when dropping directly on the poly it would only saturate about halfway into the filler. Hope this helps, too!

 

[swedishfish]

IMO, the SR carto is about the best vape your going to get with a mini. I actually prefer the 510 over the KR808's. So if you're not getting the vape you want with a 510 with SR cartos, you need to move up to a bigger battery pv.

You can get a Riva ego at Liberty Flights for $29.99. Get a box of low resistance cartomizers there or elsewhere. I love the 1.7 cartomizers from Crystal Clear Vaping.

Use your 510 when your on the go or want something small. That's what I do. The longer you vape and the longer you're off cigs, the 510 might work for you. But when you start to really get off cigs, a bigger battery pv helps.

 

[sinewave]

Thanks everyone for all the helpful replies.

After spending some more time with the 510 I'm learning how to get better performance out of it. Taking slower, longer inhales seems to produce more vapor. Also I got different juices from Liberty Flights that seems to produce more vapor than what I got from Joogler Juice.

Now my only problem is battery life. The 280mAh batteries I have don't last long enough - less than half a day. I think I'll be looking for a higher capacity battery soon.

 

[Boodle]

Glad it's working out sinewave. Hang in there. There are a few bumps in the road as you get familiar with your equipment but gosh, it's worth it. You should get a very nice, clean, pure hit with the atomizer/drip tip combo. If it's gurgling there's too much juice in your atomizer. Take it off, blow the juice into a tissue, re-attach and try a drop or two. You've already learned a long, slow pull produces a better hit than a fast one. Vaping indoors where it's still (no air/fans running) will heighten your experience as you exhale through your mouth and nose simultaneously. Vape happy