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imeothanasis

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Daz 7401

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Hi Imeo the AFS looks great. You look like you are still in a lot of pain from your back (I can't sit still either). I have had problems with my back since I was 22 (opperation and 6 months of work) nearly 20 years. 18 months ago I got a Teeter Inversion Table and spend 10 minutes a day on it and it really helps. Google Inversion Table or Teeter and see what you think, it may help you. Daz
 

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thanks a lot guys, I did my best, there is no way for AFS to be better. Its very simple for everyone, you can wash every part of it, its totally sealed and you can change the o-rings extremely easy. Its also made for all atomizers (510 and 801 too) but I have to find a way to make them work with it. So when I will find the way then you dont have to buy a new AFS.

It also has liquid collector tank, it doesnt leak even if you smoke it, we can lock liquid and it has adjustable draw.

what else we need? I think nothing


ps........ Daz, thanks a lot for your help, I will check it buddy:)
 
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Mist_Of_Joye

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say it Mist!!

Well,

sometimes, the AFS needs the user to make empty draws (without pushing the button) due to the fact that the atomizer doesn't get enough liquid.

The reasons why the atomizer doesn't get enough liquid sometimes, are simple and obvious.

1- The hole on the atomizer could be a little clogged by the liquid after some use.
2- The liquid could be a little thick.
3- The hole on the atomizer could be smaller than what a certain user might need, especially that the force of the draw and its length, can vary from a user to another. But then again, we can't make a bigger hole for obvious reasons too.
4- Even if the atomizer is itself ventilated by different holes, the pressure inside the AFS can sometimes become too high for the liquid to get easily inside the hole. I noticed that each time that I opened the AFS from the top, it releases a little pressure and sometimes it is so strong that it is enough to pushe back some liquid in the atty, and I get a little leakage from the bottom of the atomizer. Then after that and when I close back the top of the AFS, it works smoothly until a slight pressure builds up again.

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Bottom line, there will always be casually a certain need to make empty draws to fill back the atomizer, no matter what. It is either this, or a bigger hole that will flood the atty.

That is perfectly natural and there is no magic in there. It's simple physics of fluids.
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My idea, is to assist the AFS with an integrated flush mechanical push button, that will be used when the atty is a little dry, instead of having to make a number of empty draws.

I find it quicker and more comfortable.

Besides, it might assist a lot when the user is vaping a heavy liquid or is having a little clogged hole after some time of vaping.

Since the AFS is completely sealed from the inside, it would need a really small and almost invisible little button, hidden somewhere, that would instantly force the equivalent of 2 or three drops inside the hole, no matter the liquid, and it will even open the hole if it's clogged.

Of course I have also in mind an old design for a full manual AFS with a system of valves involved but that's another story...:D
 
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I notice this same thing Mist. What I have been doing on my V1 model is to take the AFS off my device and palm it. Then pull on the mouthpiece with some pressure to force liquid inside the atty. I think this can be done by closing the adjustable draw mechanically. But I see your point about the pressure building up. I think there would need to be a tiny vent hole to allow some air to get behind the liquid inside the tank and let it flow again or until the pressure builds again. So having said that maybe a little unscrew of the top of the afs lid and a gentle puff or two will do the trick. I will try this theory the next time I get a clog happening. It's just like a straw, keep your finger on the top of it and you will never get the liquid out of that straw, take your finger off and it comes rushing out.
 

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I had a fantasy that I was a master machinist in my own little world. In my world I created a little miniature valve (like the a spit valve on a trumpet) that would allow me to release pressure and also serve as a little hole to access the AFS without removing the cap so I could top off my juice.

In my world I am also the FIRST sexiest man alive.
 

Mist_Of_Joye

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Yes that's exactly what I mean Vapn!

Exactly!

I also thought about the tiny vent hole, maybe even more than one, like on top of the AFS...it might eliminate the pressure from building up, but then again, I'm afraid that it won't be too much user friendly and even perhaps messy sometimes, not to mention that it won't have any effect on thicker VG juice for example.

Then I tried unscrewing the top of the AFS, and yes it helps, but sometimes I found myself almost screwing and unscrewing the top at the frequency of dripping...hehe

The only logical thing that I could think of for now, is a push button on top of the AFS, with a vent hole (with non reverse flow valve) in the middle of it.

This way, we get the benefit of the vent hole, and when necessary, you push the button by closing with your finger at the same time the vent hole on it, and the vent hole then allows the button to get to its initial position the moment you pull out your finger.

The inner size of the inside valve of the push button, could be calculated according to the diameter of the hole of the atomizer, in a way to move inside it the equivalent of 2 or 3 drops.

By the way, a big vent hole can also have an adverse effect since it can also prevent the suction effect needed to push the liquid inside the hole when one draws. It's tricky I guess...

Dunno...Just an idea...
 
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Mist_Of_Joye

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I had a fantasy that I was a master machinist in my own little world. In my world I created a little miniature valve (like the a spit valve on a trumpet) that would allow me to release pressure and also serve as a little hole to access the AFS without removing the cap so I could top off my juice.

In my world I am also the FIRST sexiest man alive.

Waffle,

I have a good and a bad new for you.

The good new is that your miniature valve is possible to realize...:D
 

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Sounds kinda like a pump on a Nike shoe. With a bladder and one way valve. I think we would have to get China involved to produce such a valve Mist. But another idea would be to put this adjustable draw atop the AFS so we could allow air into the tank. It would have to be smaller of course. I think this may be the reason why some have flooding issues also. They might not have the positive seal on the top of their AFS. Lisa for example has flooding issues with hers and I none and we use the same atties from the same batch. So it can't be the hole size being different. There must be a tiny bit of air allowed into hers through the threads. IDK... it's pretty much all theory but this hobby can consume your thoughts some times. I get really annoyed that it works very nicely until the moment when I step out the door and then I start having flow problems. I think the stress of the world causes me to puff harder or something. I seem to get better juice flow when I puff slower and easier. I don't think PG likes to be forced through the laser hole. It will flow through if you give it time. Then there is the difference between 3.7v vaping and 6v vaping. I take long slow drags with 3.7 and short hard ones at 6v and I get better flow on the 3.7v. So adjusting your puff strength plays a roll also.
 
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