New e-liquid HORRIBLE - need steeping advice

[sparkky1]

I did, even tried to call for 2 hours before I had to go to work!

YOU ARE THE FRIKIN MAN !!
How about those fellow vapors at work ?

 

[The Eciginator]

YOU ARE THE FRIKIN MAN !!
How about those fellow vapors at work ?

Lol, hard core stinkie lovers, believe me I tried kind conversion!

 

[sparkky1]

Lol, hard core stinkie lovers, believe me I tried kind conversion!

Well it took em a while to figure out the wheel so I have faith ..............

 

[The Eciginator]

Just can't let them think anything about it comes out of an ...!

 

[Jdurand]

I found that the MBV RY4 never tasted good no matter how long it steeped. I threw out a full 240ML bottle of the stuff after 6 months of letting it steep. There was an anise flavor that would just overpower every other flavor in it. Never ordered from them again.

 

[chellie]

More like assganic !
If you enjoy the ability to buy e juice period !
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Support H.R. 2058

I did

 

[chellie]

Checked the link. The results don't say that it has low numbers. It says that it was non-detected (ND) to that level. So, if there's any in it, it's below that level and below the sensitivity of the test.

There are numbers there and they explain that is ND -a ccording to whatever governing body - I still have to research that but it is not zero.

 

[chellie]

Hey guys, I just stumbled on this thread and had never heard of diacetyl before (I'm a pretty big noob with anything vaping). Anyway, when I just googled it, this link came up:
http://blog.mtbakervapor.com/the-truth-about-diacetyl/

It's saying that study findings indicate that diacetyl in cigarettes has levels 110 times higher than diacetyl found in vape e-juice, and cigarettes (even with such a high level of diacetyl) have not been linked with diacetyl-related illness--what they're calling "popcorn lung," or bronchiolitis. It also says that the level of diacetyl in e-juice is lower than the "strict safety limits." So, if cigarettes have way higher levels, and people smoke 1, 2, 3+ packs of cigarettes a day without ever getting this lung disease, I think you're fine with a little bit in your e-juice. Hope this helps!

Thanks. It is true that regular cigs have it but there is a difference getting in your system through vapor and through analogs. Diacetyl is used in popcorn and there was something called popcorn lung where people that worked in popcorm factories and I think food service manufacturing where they make articial butter got very sick with a rare disease.
The US National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has suggested diacetyl, when used in artificial butter flavoring may be hazardous when heated and inhaled over a long period.
So for me personally since I am so thrilled that I have been off of analogs for a year and because I vape constantly - I would much rather avoid it and am willing to pay more for more pure less hazardous ingredients and preparation.

 

[chellie]

Why not just shop from "known tested" lists here?
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/the-diketone-free-tested-vendors-list.699023/

Well I was looking at the list and am going to look again but some of the lists I see list Johnson Creek as no using it and they do --- although they are in the process of getting all their stuff tested again.

So I have been asking for current recommendation and got a few good ones that I am going to try. I like vanilla so it is extra hard because a many do use it.

 

[chellie]

Actually, there are a number of other ejuice flavors that JC has Enthalpy Lab tests for.... you have to look thru the ejuices and click on each one to see if there is a certificateI

Thanks. I looked at many flavors and did not see it - only the baked apple and that was the only link they sent me as well. If by memory you recall any flavors - what were they? I will look again because I do like they juices but have not ordered from them since I have become more educated but perhaps they added some more so I will look through again.

 

[chellie]

Than

ks. Looks good - do they use diacetyl - I glanced at the FAQ's and don't see anything.

I loved their site and ordered a bottle to try than I should be getting Weds...Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[JavaJunkie]

There are numbers there and they explain that is ND -a ccording to whatever governing body - I still have to research that but it is not zero.

And you're not going to get zero. That's not how this kind of testing works. The places that say the word "free" don't understand how it works either (or they're trusting the flavor vendor who is providing the flavor ingredients and those places lie). Most companies who are using that lab are testing down to 5 ppm (parts per million). That's becoming in the industry standard. Not sure what level JC used. That means the test is reliable for results greater than 5 ppm. That means a company can say their e-liquid is "non detected" to whatever level. That doesn't mean it's "free" of it and the doesn't mean "zero". What if a more sensitive test comes along? What if a juice tests non-detected to 5ppm and then results show up on a 1 ppb (parts per billion) or 1 ppb (parts per trillion) test? Then your "zero" juice isn't zero. See the less than symbol on their lab sheet? That's there for a reason.

I've been using JC since I started vaping. I contacted them too. I was also told that they were waiting for 3rd party confirmation of their tests. That's the right thing to do and a lack of a lab sheet on another flavor doesn't mean it tests as detected.

This is why we need more science education.

 

[chellie]

And you're not going to get zero. That's not how this kind of testing works. The places that say the word "free" don't understand how it works either (or they're trusting the flavor vendor who is providing the flavor ingredients and those places lie). Most companies who are using that lab are testing down to 5 ppm (parts per million). That's becoming in the industry standard. Not sure what level JC used. That means the test is reliable for results greater than 5 ppm. That means a company can say their e-liquid is "non detected" to whatever level. That doesn't mean it's "free" of it and the doesn't mean "zero". What if a more sensitive test comes along? What if a juice tests non-detected to 5ppm and then results show up on a 1 ppb (parts per billion) or 1 ppb (parts per trillion) test? Then your "zero" juice isn't zero. See the less than symbol on their lab sheet? That's there for a reason.

I've been using JC since I started vaping. I contacted them too. I was also told that they were waiting for 3rd party confirmation of their tests. That's the right thing to do and a lack of a lab sheet on another flavor doesn't mean it tests as detected.

This is why we need more science education.

I understand the not getting to zero and the ND. I started with Johnson Creek and I am now turned off by Johnson Creek - they came out with new flavors and I see one lab test so far, other formulas have been reformulated with no explanation so it does lead to some speculation especially that they are being so ultra secretive about it. That is what gets me - the secrecy and it makes me distrustful of them - of course that is my opinion. And how long do lab tests take? Again speculation but if you are not posting and in my opinion stalling something seems amiss. I ordered from Mountain Oak from a recommendation I received on this forum mainly because they link you right to their lab results. That is something very important to me. I know some people do not care at all but I do. I vape like a fiend and want to avoid as much "bad stuff" as I can. I feel that if a company is not going to be forthcoming about these issues that are currently very much in the forefront in the vaping community right now then they are not the company for me. Again my opinion. I must say I have not found another company yet that matches their flavors - I really enjoyed them but other issues are more important to me.

Thanks for your viewpoint and very helpful info