• Need help from former MFS (MyFreedomSmokes) customers

    Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?

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Sigh. My last post was a culmination of the frustrations I've had so far between the great days with this pv - which there have been several even to the point where I was waxing lyrical about it to everyone I met and getting every smoker I know to try it - and the bad days which would mostly be the past week.

I wont give up on it and hoping my new attys I'll get tomorow plus a little extra care and attention to wetness of attys and how she's wicking will set me right again.

Sorry if I came accross condescending - I have no right to dampen anyone;s enthusiasm for a device that gets them of cigarettes which are killers in anything less than moderation.

Am vaping this morning and now is not so bad again with my new tobacco lavour with coffee undertones. Still preferable to smoking (when sober - which thankfuly is most of the time lol.) neven though the f;lavour really is diminished.

New day, new attempt and time to try dwelling on the positive and not expect perfection.

New attys tomorow, onwards and upwards I go.
 

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Sigh. My last post was a culmination of the frustrations I've had so far between the great days with this pv - which there have been several even to the point where I was waxing lyrical about it to everyone I met and getting every smoker I know to try it - and the bad days which would mostly be the past week.

I wont give up on it and hoping my new attys I'll get tomorow plus a little extra care and attention to wetness of attys and how she's wicking will set me right again.

Sorry if I came accross condescending - I have no right to dampen anyone;s enthusiasm for a device that gets them of cigarettes which are killers in anything less than moderation.

Am vaping this morning and now is not so bad again with my new tobacco lavour with coffee undertones. Still preferable to smoking (when sober - which thankfuly is most of the time lol.) neven though the f;lavour really is diminished.

New day, new attempt and time to try dwelling on the positive and not expect perfection.

New attys tomorow, onwards and upwards I go.

I think you are being too hard on yourself. You haven't had the best of experiences and I think everyone in this discussion supports you in that- and appreciates your input.

I'm hoping the new atties work for you.
 

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Sigh. My last post was a culmination of the frustrations I've had so far between the great days with this pv - which there have been several even to the point where I was waxing lyrical about it to everyone I met and getting every smoker I know to try it - and the bad days which would mostly be the past week.

I wont give up on it and hoping my new attys I'll get tomorow plus a little extra care and attention to wetness of attys and how she's wicking will set me right again.

Sorry if I came accross condescending - I have no right to dampen anyone;s enthusiasm for a device that gets them of cigarettes which are killers in anything less than moderation.

Am vaping this morning and now is not so bad again with my new tobacco lavour with coffee undertones. Still preferable to smoking (when sober - which thankfuly is most of the time lol.) neven though the f;lavour really is diminished.

New day, new attempt and time to try dwelling on the positive and not expect perfection.

New attys tomorow, onwards and upwards I go.

I just figured you were having one of those days like I had in the beginning. You know the ones where no matter how much you wanted vaping to work it felt like a total loss so you would just say to heck with it and grab a analog and then once you smoked it you would be even more pi**ed at yourself for smoking it LOL. Maybe it was just me that had those days but your post reminded me soooooooooooooo much of it that (don't get mad) it made me giggle a little as I thought to myself THANK GOD that I'm not the only one that one day thinks vaping is just the best and I will never smoke again and then the next wanna flush the dang thing down the toilet.
 

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Just read this on Janty twitter:

"Janty eGo Tank System available in all Jantyworld shops mid February at unbeatable prices! Stay tuned to our Tweets :)"

curious to see if it will be their own design or an ego-t rebrand...

It will be the same as Totally Wicked, they are both Joye OEM's. Meaning that Joye makes it for them with their labels on it.
 
Close to two weeks of use and I'm less happy with the performance. It's becoming harder to draw, I end up holding down the button longer yet it's producing less vapor and flavor. Will try the isopropyl soak this weekend and see if performance can be restored. My TAWA model is less prone to drying out and giving me the dreaded burnt taste than the higher priced model.

Odd observation: I've been using 70/30 very light-colored juices and as the tank goes down to half-full I note the juice turns very dark and thick. I'm just speculating but this would seem to indicate that the stem is getting hot inside the tank and alters the liquid. Could be I'm overheating the atty as I'm straining to suck vapor out of it. Today, instead of topping off a tank, I emptied the gunk by shaking it out, refilled and it worked better for a while. I can't stop wondering what is under the plate in the atty: Is it filling up with jellied juice? Is this the reason it's getting progressively harder to draw? I mean, where is all the juice going? I'm using at least twice as much as I consumed with my 510 atty and I'm not vaping more than I did. I'm imagining a sludge build up slowly reducing the air capacity inside the atty. The urge to take one apart is becoming almost irresistible...

Also, if you hold down the button on the batt for longer than 10 seconds it starts blinking. Is that a warning signal?

The past couple of days I've gone back to my 510 atty and standard carts just to get an easy draw and taste the flavor of my higher VG juices. I'm thinking about getting a Mega Cone atty & carts; with the Mega Cone I could see what's going on, right? With this Tank atty, how can you ever know if you've completely cleaned the possible sludge out of it?

It might be a better design if the stem and plate could be unscrewed or gently removed with needle-nose pliers... if the wick could be cleaned and/or replaced... or something, I dunno.
 

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Close to two weeks of use and I'm less happy with the performance. It's becoming harder to draw, I end up holding down the button longer yet it's producing less vapor and flavor. Will try the isopropyl soak this weekend and see if performance can be restored. My TAWA model is less prone to drying out and giving me the dreaded burnt taste than the higher priced model.

Odd observation: I've been using 70/30 very light-colored juices and as the tank goes down to half-full I note the juice turns very dark and thick. I'm just speculating but this would seem to indicate that the stem is getting hot inside the tank and alters the liquid. Could be I'm overheating the atty as I'm straining to suck vapor out of it. Today, instead of topping off a tank, I emptied the gunk by shaking it out, refilled and it worked better for a while. I can't stop wondering what is under the plate in the atty: Is it filling up with jellied juice? Is this the reason it's getting progressively harder to draw? I mean, where is all the juice going? I'm using at least twice as much as I consumed with my 510 atty and I'm not vaping more than I did. I'm imagining a sludge build up slowly reducing the air capacity inside the atty. The urge to take one apart is becoming almost irresistible...

Also, if you hold down the button on the batt for longer than 10 seconds it starts blinking. Is that a warning signal?

The past couple of days I've gone back to my 510 atty and standard carts just to get an easy draw and taste the flavor of my higher VG juices. I'm thinking about getting a Mega Cone atty & carts; with the Mega Cone I could see what's going on, right? With this Tank atty, how can you ever know if you've completely cleaned the possible sludge out of it?

It might be a better design if the stem and plate could be unscrewed or gently removed with needle-nose pliers... if the wick could be cleaned and/or replaced... or something, I dunno.

i agree, lets shop for a mega atty and cart..got your eye on any of them?
 

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Sure thing. Happy to give input.

The only 100% VG juice I have run through it is EcoPure. It should be noted that Ecopure, while being a VG base, is diluted (probably with water), and relatively thin. PURE VG Juice, like you can order from some vendors, is so thick I would not even try it. And this is not a test I would be willing to do myself because I am certain I would gunk up the wicking. I've found that 50/50 works ok and 70/30 seems ideal for my vaping preferences (On the eGo-T).

I have pretty much given up on using the 100% VG juice I have. It was one someone sent us because they weren't going to use it, and I really don't like 100% VG juices anyway. So I'll just be using that juice to mix with others that have PG.

Regarding cleaning:

I didn't blow out the atty at all during the two weeks. Additionally, when I did clean the atty with isopropyl alcohol the residue that came out in the alcohol was the same color as my juice.

It might be important to note however, that I do not vape dark juices. It's a personal taste preference. I've found, that for me, that dark juice almost universally tastes "stifling". It is a taste preference and not a value judgement. Also, there is anecdotal evidence that some dark juices leave a caramelized coating on the atomizer.

The juices I have tested with are:

FSUSA (all 50/50 PG/VG):

Freedom Smoke

New/Port

Green Tea

Ecopure (VG):

Regular

DIY:

70/30 PG/VG Max/Boro (Flavourart Vape Heaven)

All my juices are very light in color, with the exception of one that is kind of a medium reddish color. None of my juices are dark in color, but the gunk I've been blowing out of the atty is *very* dark, almost black, but very thin. The juices I use are Ry4, Chocolate Mint, Nuport, Black Raspberry Champagne and a few home-mixes of those. They are all either 70/30 or 80/20.

I have also noticed at times the pull is very hard, but when that happens it's usually because I've screwed the battery on too hard. If I unscrew the atty just a hair, it goes back to a lighter pull (more air flow).

Like others here, I do go through juice slightly faster, but I've also been puffing the H*** out of this thing ever since I got it, LOL. The nice thing is though, that even as hard as I've been hitting it, my batteries are lasting me about 24 hrs per charge. After using nothing but 510's, I'm real happy about that.
 

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i agree, lets shop for a mega atty and cart..got your eye on any of them?

I'm thinking same if next 2 weeks reflect past 2 weeks. Dripping on Mega / XL attys looks pretty good.

I think there is a reservoir under the atty plate which holds in the juice. Because when I blow them out, as I have mentioned before (and others have) I can get up to 5 or 6 drops out sometimes and then when I leave it to drain, a good sized pool forms around the bottom of the cone as well. Also, obviously the wicking needle / tube can store a few drops... Okay enoigh from me, I'm trying not to post too much until I've tried out new T attys... (I'll be at the casino at the weekend so no internet there ha ha.)
 

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I plan on using my normal atty cleaning. If anything is boilable it gets boiled prior to use because I can't tolerate the smallest amount of solder flux or primer; that includes cartos and attys. If it's not boilable then it gets shaken in hot water then dried, as much as possible, and then soaked in PGA (pure grain alcohol). Then, for attys only a careful dry burning session. Someone on this thread posted a video or referred to one showing that you can see the coil glow dry burning.

When I use LR 306 with my bottom feeders, Reo and Phidias, and with my very thick juices I can only get about 24 hours use before the atty starts getting gunked up. A little longer with LR 510. Nothing better than a boil and dry burn for clearing out the gunk from all parts of the atty including air holes. On the 306 I'll give them a very careful dry burn then a flash from hand held torch to totally clean the exposed wick going up to the bridge. The same can be done for the small part of wick, that touches the ceramic cup on E2s and E2 mods.

I have 510 attys that I've been using for over five months now that are working even better than when new by boiling and dry burning.

Alice
 

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A small review on my atty and tanks from TW.

Before i got this system i used E2 R4 cartos and they had problem wicking unles i would cut a bigger slits for the wick. Also refilling was a huge head ache due to i had to use syringe or remove a plug. If i would remove a plug more than twice it would rip in two pieces. Well that just wasnt a good expirience.

Last night i recieved my Atty and 5 tanks from TW. Surprazingly it took about 3 days to procces and deliver it to me. The first impression on the atty it looks slick if not look at the TW logo. tanks looked smaller than i expected but i liked it more due to i dont like to have a huge PV ( personal preferance). My next step was filling a tank. Removing cup of the tank was somewhat easy and once i filled it with my new VV pecha 70/30 PG/VG 12mg with some extra throat hit (shouldnt got that, too much of the TH). I put it in the atty and screw it on my RIVA( it was half charged or about that) and took a hit first hit was flavorless. After second hit my mouth got full with clouds of tasty vapor. By the end of the night i went trough two refills because i could not put it down.

To refill it i did not removed the tank cap because i was wondering if removing cup for reffilling all the time could be a reason for leacking so i use the method that ScottyBee sugested ( thank so much for your knollege and testing), all you have to do is to press dropper end on your bottle or syrrenge and press it against atty end of the tank ( pierced hall) and just squize you bottle/syringe. Then just watch on how its filling. Dont fill it all the way to the cup since its could affect wicking or a draw.

Just to make sure that removing cup too oftet could cause licking issue over time i looked how much juice i have in the tank and plased it standing up on a paper towel. This morning when i inspected it i unscrew the atty to check if it licked through the atty. There was no juice on the battery end and when i checked thank i found that liquid level droped probably due atty abserved it.

Thanks for reading it just was my first look at the tank system.

I want to thank everyone who put their reviews on this page.

Special thanks for testing and twicking with this systems going to ScottyBee, cozzicone and ournature.

Best regards Sib.

P.S i Apologies for not mentioning other members who put their testing reviews And sorry for poor grammar im still learning.
 

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So, much to my surprise, tank 7 vaped through without a problem. The draw actually got easier as the tank went on and is now pretty much back to normal. On to tank 8 I go. This tank brings me past the point at which my E2 would have required cleaning with this particular flavor.

In my expririence CE2 would requare a clean after 10 ml of juice its if im gonna make it to work. (15/20 cartos went to trash after first refill due to not wicking properly or licking)
 

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How frequently the E2's need to be cleaned is going to vary from juice to juice and user to user. There's just so many different variables that impact that. I have some juices that I can run 20+ml with no issues and I've tried others that will clog the coil in less than 2ml. I've started vaping clearer juices for that reason. The one I'm vaping now is the darkest and sweetest juice that I have that I have left. If It can run for a while in the tanks it may just keeps it's place in the rotation, if it's high maintenance in the tanks as well it will be replaced with a clearer juice.

Edit: Really I just wanted to run what I know to be a hard juice through these to see how well they held up against the E2.
 
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How frequently the E2's need to be cleaned is going to vary from juice to juice and user to user. There's just so many different variables that impact that. I have some juices that I can run 20+ml with no issues and I've tried others that will clog the coil in less than 2ml. I've started vaping clearer juices for that reason. The one I'm vaping now is the darkest and sweetest juice that I have that I have left. If It can run for a while in the tanks it may just keeps it's place in the rotation, if it's high maintenance in the tanks as well it will be replaced with a clearer juice.

Edit: Really I just wanted to run what I know to be a hard juice through these to see how well they held up against the E2.

I am really interested to know what you think the comparison is... I have been reading these reviews and considering giving these a shot. I use almost all E2s right now, and I would not mind something that I could just fill a tank and be on my way/ have a couple tanks for different flavors to switch out.

Also, how do you clean your E2's coils out? I notice that I get ash and what looks like soot around the coil and cup after a while, and I would love to be able to get that stuff out and use them again. For now I just put those cartos aside and fill up a new one.

I appreciate the feedback in comparing this to an E2
 

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I am really interested to know what you think the comparison is... I have been reading these reviews and considering giving these a shot. I use almost all E2s right now, and I would not mind something that I could just fill a tank and be on my way/ have a couple tanks for different flavors to switch out.

Also, how do you clean your E2's coils out? I notice that I get ash and what looks like soot around the coil and cup after a while, and I would love to be able to get that stuff out and use them again. For now I just put those cartos aside and fill up a new one.

I appreciate the feedback in comparing this to an E2

I can comfortably say 3 things:
1. I would recommend this as a first system for someone looking to get off analogs.
2. They are much easier to fill than the E2's, and a lot less hassle than the standard the 510 atty/carts I started on.
3. These have been far more forgiving of my wifes mishandling than the E2's.

Beyond that, I'm only 9 tanks in myself on a fairly tough juice, I don't have enough time on these to form a solid opinion. It's held up to it better than my E2's but I'd like to try it on a cleaner juice as well.

As far as cleaning on the E2's goes I do a Vodka soak followed by a dry burn. For coils that are really crusted I'll let them soak for a couple of days. After the dry burn there's usually ash around the coi that brushes off easily with a little dental brush, the kind used to clean braces. To avoid hijacking Cozzicon's thread I would recommend spending some time on the Bad's CE2 thread (very long but a ton of great information) or on Storminytes Thread.
 
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I can comfortably say 3 things:
1. I would recommend this as a first system for someone looking to get off analogs.
2. They are much easier to fill than the E2's, and a lot less hassle than the standard the 510 atty/carts I started on.
3. These have been far more forgiving of my wifes mishandling than the E2's.

Beyond that, I'm only 9 tanks in myself on a fairly tough juice, I don't have enough time on these to form a solid opinion. It's held up to it better than my E2's but I'd like to try it on a cleaner juice as well.

As far as cleaning on the E2's goes I do a Vodka soak followed by a dry burn. For coils that are really crusted I'll let them soak for a couple of days. After the dry burn there's usually ash around the coi that brushes off easily with a little dental brush, the kind used to clean braces. To avoid hijacking Cozzicon's thread I would recommend spending some time on the Bad's CE2 thread (very long but a ton of great information) or on Storminytes Thread.

This is everyone's thread :)

But ournature is responsible for getting it going.
 

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But ournature is responsible for getting it going.

Oops my bad, lost track of that. I see videos and my mind automatically equates that with the thread starter :)

I just didn't want to be the one to go off topic on CE2 how-to's that can be found elsewhere done by people far better at doing them than me.
 
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Got the attys and tanks from TW yesterday and 1 full day in. Pretty much what I expected based on what I've read. Here are my general observations so far, for what it's worth:

1) no leaking regardless of orientation; purposely rotated 2 tanks to stress puncture tab and entry hole; left vertical overnight
2) flavor and vapor slightly better, although comparable, to mega attys...minus the dull filler taste
3) flavor not as good as CE2s (although these are more consistent in wicking, performance, etc...so far)
4) very easy to fill and transport; caps easier to remove than what I've read
5) consumes volume heavily (compared to CE2s or 510 cart mod) but much more efficient than mega carts
6) wicking is just fine at 50/50 VG/PG...and I also ran a few dark juices through with no problems (yet)

In general, very impressed with the concept but slightly less impressed with performance (mainly flavor). Don't be discouraged from trying it based on the bad experiences you're reading though. It's worth trying as a comparitor to other attys and cartos...especially with the TW 20% discount to make it $13.59 per atty. And besides, experience is wisdom, right?

I'll be sure to add updates as I get some real time and volume into these.
 
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