New Globe and Mail Article

[MattB]

Here's another interesting article i found. It has a little bit of this and that ... some pros, some cons(somewhat ... nothing really oppressive). It's a very well written article as well.

Enjoy!

Is this cigarette really safe? - thestar.com

 

[Freaknugget]

Hey here is some fun let's do the math!

If we consider an average year as approx 365.242199 days over the reported 7 year period that equals out to $7,979,049.85 A DAY in taxes. That makes it so much clearer than saying 20.4 billion over 8 years.

Almost 8 MILLION A DAY in voluntary taxes that could get wiped off the books.

Suddenly seems much clearer as to why HC is so against ecigs 'eh?

 

[mopar]

I know Jesse Klein so does Zeroith he is a cool dude.
Rob Breakenridge Redux-AM 770: News. Talk. Sports.
Here is an inteview he did on 770am.

 

[MattB]

Here's another article from Calgary.

Electronic cigarettes: the wave of the future?

 

[Blaisun]

i like this quote, LOL

"Safe doesn't exist," says Sweanor. "But electronic cigarettes are low risk compared to regular cigarettes. It's the equivalent of having a four-wheel-drive Volvo compared to a high-powered motorcycle with bald tires in an ice storm."

 

[Mindfield]

Here's another article from Calgary.

Electronic cigarettes: the wave of the future?

Positive article about E-cigs, but unfortunately they're talking about SmokeNV and grossly misrepresenting cost savings by using their grossly exaggerated "cigarette equivalency" numbers. It basically comes across as a spam article for SmokeNV's crap 0-nic "equivalent to 12 cartons of cigarettes!" E-cigs. (Okay, I'm exaggerating, but no more over their numbers than they exaggerate over actual numbers.)

 

[MattB]

THe point is though that it's still a pro-vaping article. The more publicity we get, the better. No matter if it's regarding one or many companies, with under/over prices hardware.

The fact remains that the word is getting out. That's the good thing here.

 

[Motivaper]

I wrote to Jesse and he asked what other stories on e-cigs are worth covering - I'd like some input on a response?

My first inclination is to suggest he probe more deeply into the premise of his article which is the taxation issue and how "it" relates to Canadian e-cig (nicotine) ban.

Another thought is to suggest he look at the "community" that has been born from e-cigs.... meetups, conventions, reviews, vape TV and radio shows, all designed to support the user community. There's never been a support group like other vapers, and I don't think there are any Nicorette meetups this week!

Here's the email exchange (shortened)....

On 2012-01-04, at 1:59 PM, Kline, Jesse (National Post) wrote:

Re: Thank you for the e-cig article Jesse!
Thanks for your letter Gary. I agree with you completely and will do my best to stay on top of this story. Please let me know if you see any news relating to electronic cigarettes that you think is worth covering in the future.

Sincerely,

Jesse Kline



On 1/4/12 2:36 PM, "Gary Adelson" wrote:

Hi Jesse,

I also posted a couple of comments on the article online and hope you'll take time to read some of what was written.

I'd also like to respectfully request that you continue writing articles related to the plight of smokers who either enjoy smoking, get some benefits from it, and want to continue but in a safer way, or of smokers who want to quit or cut down, but for whom the "approved" methods don't work.

Smoking related deaths and health issues are too large a problem for e-cigs to be banned without proof they're more harmfull than the legal alternatives!

I'd be happy to chat with you, if you'd like and can provide a whole lot of information in support of this cause!

Cheers,

Gary Adelson
Vancouver BC

 

[JQside]

Jesse Kline, National Post

"To figure out why the government would try to prohibit the use of these products, one simply has to follow the money. Between 2001 and 2008, the federal government collected $20.4-billion worth of tobacco taxes. Rather than implementing policies that are in the best interests of Canadians, it is the government that has become addicted to the lucrative tobacco industry."

I don't buy this. (See my take in the other thread.)

I always appreciate seeing articles about e-cigs, though.

 

[OntariAuLait]

Lots of respect for the author! I appreciated how casually he made it sound that Health Canada is in it for the money. I always worry that people will tune me out if I start talking about gub'ment conspiracies but this guy made it feel less hippie and more matter-of-fact.

I know I think it's about money, and I'm usually the devil's advocate and give the government the benefit of the doubt because of the logistics it might take to do certain things. I might be selfish thinking this issue is any more valid a conspiracy than any other, but it makes me crazy mad that HC thinks they can just change some rules to make more money because something is popular.

I'd like to see the thread you're talking about though, JQside! I haven't seen many other opinions on it, maybe you can sway me.

 

[VIVAP2]

Money, money. So much money. « Between 2001 and 2008, the federal government collected $20.4-billion worth of tobacco taxes..».

The number you need is how much it costs on health care system from treating deseases from tobacco usage.

 

[OntariAuLait]

So are they going to pay back all these theoretical vaping taxes if we find out that vaping didn't need all that treatment money after all?

Maybe we can work out a bet with HC?

 

[JQside]

I'd like to see the thread you're talking about though, JQside! I haven't seen many other opinions on it, maybe you can sway me.

Just saying that they always make it sound as if corrupt officials in the government take this money and deposit it in their Swiss bank accounts.

Why not call a spade a spade and simplify the issue? Health Canada simply hasn't taken the time and money to study e-cigarettes in comprehensive detail. Either they're lazy or the number vapers demanding action is negligible. Three chemical components namely Glycerine, Glycol and Nicotine. The side effects of which are still a mystery. Until HC pours money into research to study their long-term effects, this issue will remain hanging. Nobody wants to be held accountable in case something happens

And this should be the main focus of these articles, not things like tobacco money filling government coffers and all that nonsense.

 

[OntariAuLait]

Well that's the hippie talk I don't like, either.

I would believe though, that in someone's career it's commendable to "find" a new and reliable source of money for an organization, whether it's the government or not. That's how you get promotions and that might be enough motive to lobby against it with your ears plugged.

That's how I think it comes down to money without any men in black coming along and actually saying "think about the money!"

 

[VIVAP2]

This article is my new date of birth. Tell me what statement is off?

It's:

1. abonimable
2. a shame
3. ridiculus
4. Deciders will do for their pocket no matter what