New here and need updated advice

[colajane]

Hi my name is Nichola. I'm a 59 yr old, 40 year, pack a day smoker and I need to quit. Or at least cut back on my nicotine consumption. I have "smokers corns" on the bottom of my feet that are extremely painful and are hindering my ability to work. Or do much of anything really.
I'm told they'll go away if I can quit or cut back on my smoking.
Kool Blue has been my best buddy for all these years and they'll be hard to replace.
So I'm needing some recommendations for something as close to Kool blue as I can get. I have some kind of device sold over the counter, it's black and semi oval shaped. Idk think this is considered disposable because I replace the nicotine pod in the device when it's empty. I charge the device like I do my phone. The menthol is good but it seems very light and I get no satisfaction from it. Also, the first few puffs I take from him cause me to cough. After 5 or 6 puffs I'm good. The last time I tried a truly disposable pen I came away with a hacking cough.
I've checked the library for info but it's all so outdated, like from 2010.
Searched the entire site for "Kool blue" and found a few threads but all too old to be helpful to me.
So... Any advice or suggestions are very much appreciated.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Welcome to ECF, Nichola.

 

[Daniel Forsyth]

Welcome to ECF

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Hi my name is Nichola. I'm a 59 yr old, 40 year, pack a day smoker and I need to quit. Or at least cut back on my nicotine consumption. I have "smokers corns" on the bottom of my feet that are extremely painful and are hindering my ability to work. Or do much of anything really.
I'm told they'll go away if I can quit or cut back on my smoking.
Kool Blue has been my best buddy for all these years and they'll be hard to replace.
So I'm needing some recommendations for something as close to Kool blue as I can get. I have some kind of device sold over the counter, it's black and semi oval shaped. Idk think this is considered disposable because I replace the nicotine pod in the device when it's empty. I charge the device like I do my phone. The menthol is good but it seems very light and I get no satisfaction from it. Also, the first few puffs I take from him cause me to cough. After 5 or 6 puffs I'm good. The last time I tried a truly disposable pen I came away with a hacking cough.
I've checked the library for info but it's all so outdated, like from 2010.
Searched the entire site for "Kool blue" and found a few threads but all too old to be helpful to me.
So... Any advice or suggestions are very much appreciated.

Hello and welcome, Nichola.

I believe that once you have successfully quit cigarettes, the coughing will stop. Many in this forum who stopped smoking by vaping, have reported there is a sort of "purge" time after quittng cigs, when all the old tobacco junk makes its exit.

I wish I could tell you what to vape for menthol satisfaction, since I don't use menthol. There are flavors called "extreme ice" and things like that, and there are flavor additives that are touted as adding a cooling effect. I think I'm remembering something called "koolada".

Whatever you find that works, get a lifetime supply of it. Our entrenched unelected government nannies are trying to get rid of menthol.

I wish you success in your vaping journey.

 

[TARTARA]

Welcome on ECF, have a good one !

I think the coughing is happening just because you are new on it and you haven't used to it yet, isn't anything wrong eventually will go away after a while, especially when you use on vaping and stop the smoking completely !

I think it's better to try a "nice - proper" kit with a quite good atomizer with interchangeable coil heads and a mod... probably something like this ...

Aspire Zelos X - Aspire® Official Site

or something similar !


Yeah it might be a little bigger, complycated and pricy... but i think that it's worthy... !

About the e-liquids...
There are many flavors out there that they are close to tobacco flavors... if you try a few of them you will find something similar to cigarettes... !

Just my opinion !

 

[BrotherBob]

Hi my name is Nichola.

Welcome and glad you joined.

 

[Toots]

I also was a decades menthol smoker who thought that I needed menthol flavored vape to quit. I found out the opposite from trial and error. Menthol did not float my boat, but flavors that I liked did. Blueberry, Pineapple, Cola for starts for me. Now I love all flavors, fruits candies pastry drinks ... anything but menthol or mint or iced. I hate them and toss them even if they are gifted.
Good luck and don't give up. Vaping is much more fun and statisfying than smoking ever was. And it is easier to quit. Nicotine is neither addictive nor harmful, but the poison chemicals in the cigarettes are.
Try to enjoy the journey.

 

[Territoo]

Nicotine is neither addictive

I have to disagree with this statement. Nicotine is very addictive and that's most of the reason it's so difficult to quit smoking.

 

[Toots]

It has been documented that the addiction was the intended result of specific chemicals added to the tobacco. (Plus the poisons added) I will look them up and post the details. We do get pleasant benefits from the nicotine that we are reluctant to forego. There are also health benefits from nicotine use.

 

[Toots]

I have to disagree with this statement. Nicotine is very addictive and that's most of the reason it's so difficult to quit smoking.

The FDA allows 600 chemicals to be added to cigarettes. The FDA lists 79 to be known cancer causing.
The tobacco companies were known to add pyrazines to cigarettes to make them super addictive around the 1970's or 1980's (perhaps even earlier).

In 2015 Harvard published a paper that the cigarette manufacturers added pyrazines to make the product super addictive because it was not addictive enough for them.

I can attest that I would have walked miles to get a cigarette and could have ravaged anything in my path. It was a panic to think I would run out. Not so with vaping. If I am busy, I don't even think about it. It is mostly pleasure now and for the nicotine benefits.

So they poisoned and ramped up the addiction of smoking, then blamed and villainized us for it.
When we have a safe alternative (never proven harmful and may be beneficial), it is been attempted to shut it down from the beginning.

There are research papers out there. A search on cigarettes pyrazines may start the trail.

 

[Territoo]

I'm not saying that BT didn't alter their cigarettes to make them MORE addictive. That doesn't get away from the fact that nicotine is addictive. Google nicotine and addiction. There are people that can get off of cigarettes using the gum, but can't stop their gum use. Gum doesn't have all the additives that cigarettes do, but it does have nicotine.

 

[Toots]

I'm not saying that BT didn't alter their cigarettes to make them MORE addictive. That doesn't get away from the fact that nicotine is addictive. Google nicotine and addiction. There are people that can get off of cigarettes using the gum, but can't stop their gum use. Gum doesn't have all the additives that cigarettes do, but it does have nicotine.

Google is not known for providing the most truthful and accurate information up front. Sometimes it just displays the most common blather.
Nicotine has some very nice mood and brain enhancements that we are reluctant to forego once we experience them. It also has health benefits.
God gave us nicotine receptors throughout our brain and body. They were most likely meant for nicotine. I don't believe that God makes mistakes. I plan to keep my nic receptors pumped up to the max, just in case! Thank you, God, for those nic receptors.

 

[Territoo]

Use Duck Duck Go if you don't like Google. God gave us nicotinic acetylcholine receptors for acetylcholine, which God provided in the brain as a neural hormone. It just happens that nicotine and acetylcholine have similar molecular shape, thus nicotine can displace acetylcholine on the receptor. The brain compensates by creating more receptors. This why we crave nicotine and go into withdrawals without it. By BT altering the nicotine in cigarettes, they created nicotine salts which can cross the blood brain barrier easier. This is why nic salts are even more addictive than free base nicotine.

 

[MLEJ]

I have "smokers corns" on the bottom of my feet

 

[ShowMeTwice]

God gave us nicotine receptors throughout our brain and body. They were most likely meant for nicotine. I don't believe that God makes mistakes.

I've seen many imbecilic posts on ECF - - - but THAT takes the cake.

Thank you, God, for those nic receptors.

As does that.


Ummm, newflash, and one that has been stated by ECF Administrators too many times to count, you folks should take your religious BS to the Outside.


IT IS NOT WELCOME HERE!!!

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Google is not known for providing the most truthful and accurate information up front.

Prove it.

I'll save you time and effort - - - You Can Not.

 

[r77r7r]

I've seen many imbecilic posts on ECF - - - but THAT takes the cake.



As does that.


Ummm, newflash, and one that has been stated by ECF Administrators too many times to count, you folks should take your religious BS to the Outside.


IT IS NOT WELCOME HERE!!!

Dude.

 

[smacuser]

 

[Toots]

Use Duck Duck Go if you don't like Google. God gave us nicotinic acetylcholine receptors for acetylcholine, which God provided in the brain as a neural hormone. It just happens that nicotine and acetylcholine have similar molecular shape, thus nicotine can displace acetylcholine on the receptor. The brain compensates by creating more receptors. This why we crave nicotine and go into withdrawals without it. By BT altering the nicotine in cigarettes, they created nicotine salts which can cross the blood brain barrier easier. This is why nic salts are even more addictive than free base nicotine.

Harvard tried to prove that nicotine was addictive with animal studies. They could not find any significant addictive properties with the nicotine as it is. They did find the addictive properties of the carefully chosen pyrazines that were added.
Has any company or government perhaps ever told any teeny tiny fib for power or profit? Hmmm..could be.
Nicotine displaces whatever acetylcholine, toxins or venoms that are absorbed into the receptors.
I suspect that is for some reason. It could be for a good result rather than a bad one.
Tobacco has been used to remove toxins, venoms and parasites for hundreds if not thousands of years.
Maybe our bodies were made this way for a reason. I am just a curious person that is not afraid to dig into some further information under the covers, and not afraid to challenge my own beliefs and change them. Sometimes I even change them back along the journey.
The nature and evolution of the nicotine and tobacco attack has made me suspicious and curious through the years.
I now think it was not for the reasons we are being told. I no longer fear or refrain from tobacco or nicotine. And I find many benefits for me as I do from caffeine. Smoking cigarettes not so much.
And I do not name call and insult others who have a different opinion. I respect everyone's opinion.
I do not respect tricksters, liars and deceivers.

 

[ShowMeTwice]

Harvard tried to prove that nicotine was addictive with animal studies. They could not find any significant addictive properties with the nicotine as it is.

Do you have any links for the Harvard studies you are referring to???

Animal studies ≠ human studies, or actual proven human experiences, with nicotine.

"Nicotine hits the brain's reward center by triggering the release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that is also involved in drug addiction and pain processing." --- From a Newsweek article.

They did find the addictive properties of the carefully chosen pyrazines that were added.

Do you have any links to support your claim?

Pyrazines are used to "enhance" the flavor of light cigarettes.

Pyrazines are a flavoring agent. They are not addictive.

Safety and efficacy of pyrazine derivatives including saturated ones belonging to chemical group 24 when used as flavourings for all animal species

Following a request from the European Commission, the EFSA Panel on Additives and Products or Substances used in Animal Feed (FEEDAP) was asked to deliver a scientific opinion on the safety and efficacy of 22 compounds belonging to chemical group 24 (pyrazine derivatives). They are currently...

www.efsa.europa.eu

Also, "Nicotine is known as the drug that is responsible for the addicted behaviour of tobacco users, [...]."

A study of pyrazines in cigarettes and how additives might be used to enhance tobacco addiction | Tobacco Control

Nicotine is neither addictive [...]

100% False. Do you have any supportive links to backup your claim???

It has been very well documented that nicotine is the known addictive substance in tobacco.

Harvard very clearly states "Nicotine is so addictive that smoking, or using tobacco in other forms, may be the toughest unhealthy habit to break."

New strategies help smokers quit when nicotine replacement alone doesn’t work - Harvard Health

Breaking a smoking habit can be hard. Nicotine is so addictive that smoking, or using tobacco in other forms, may be the toughest unhealthy habit to break. But it’s possible to quit. Nicotine...

www.health.harvard.edu

Also from Harvard "Nicotine is one of the most addictive of all drugs. The addiction develops quickly and lasts a long time. Drug addicts say it is easier to give up co-caine and he-roin than to stop smoking."

Substance addiction - Harvard Health

Substance abuse can cause health issues and serious problems with family, friends, money, and the law. Support groups such as 12-step programs are considered a mainstay for treating many forms of s...

www.health.harvard.edu

And this from Harvard "Cigarettes contain nicotine, a highly addictive substance found naturally in tobacco. When inhaled, nicotine travels quickly to the brain, causing a variety of pleasurable sensations. Many report an adrenaline “kick.” Others report a feeling of relaxation and improved mood. Some say it makes them more alert and improves their ability to concentrate.

The downside is that nicotine is highly addictive, and once you start smoking it becomes increasingly hard to stop. People who do try to quit can experience profound withdrawal symptoms including cravings, anxiety, depression, irritability, and inattention."

Lowering nicotine in cigarettes - Harvard Health

...

www.health.harvard.edu

The Mayo Clinic has also noted that nicotine is addictive.

Nicotine dependence - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

There are many sources one can research proving nicotine is addictive. I would suggest digging deeper.