New here looking for direction on what to use

[Opinionated]

Yep, except don't use the bag, 5) supersedes 1) in my opinion
"Never put any charger in a LiPo battery charging bag!
Those bags are made to only hold the battery pack. Putting the charger and batteries in the bag traps all the heat from the charger inside and the temperatures can rise high enough to cause failure of the charger and/or accelerated aging of your batteries."

Hello. The guy has a tube mod with an integrated LiPo battery. I am recommending he puts his Lipo battery into a fireproof charging bag for LiPo batteries (Not a storage bag, but a bag designed for charging)

LiPo and Liion are different batteries... I am recommending for LiPo safety - and there is nothing unsafe about using a fireproof Lipo charging for charging Lipo batteries. It's what it's designed for.

People use them every day for good reason - safety.

I am just going to assume your a bit lost on what the exact issue of the thread happens to be.

 

[medleypat]

a friend of mine uses the smok sticks with no problem some people just don't want to mess with adjusting wattages. I would just do what others have said just charge were you can keep an eye on it and should be fine and I don't see were 2 out of the 1000's smok has sold as being significent

 

[untar]

It's what it's designed for

The bags are not designed to hold the battery plus the charger. They are designed to hold just the battery.
They are meant for batteries like this
Lipo Battery Shootout 4- 2S 5800 mah Edition

Since the charger is built into that mod the bag also isn't designed to hold the mod while charging.
Reasons are in the mooch quote in my last post.

 

[Opinionated]

The bags are not designed to hold the battery plus the charger. They are designed to hold just the battery.
They are meant for batteries like this
Lipo Battery Shootout 4- 2S 5800 mah Edition

Since the charger is built into that mod the bag also isn't designed to hold the mod while charging.
Reasons are in the mooch quote in my last post.

Hello... the charger is a USB CABLE - the same thing you charge your phone with.

 

[untar]

A cable isn't a charger. Neither is the power supply you plug into the wall outlet. The charger is the circuit providing the logic and voltage+current regulation for charging the battery, it sits in that smok mod tube.
Everything else only exists to provide power to that circuit and isn't, by any possible definition, a charger.

 

[Opinionated]

A cable isn't a charger. Neither is the power supply you plug into the wall outlet. The charger is the circuit providing the logic and voltage+current regulation for charging the battery, it sits in that smok mod tube.
Everything else only exists to provide power to that circuit and isn't, by any possible definition, a charger.

Dear... this is exactly what the OP has.. and it is charged via a USB charging cable...

SMOK Stick Prince and TFV12 Prince Starter Kit | Vape Kits

Putting the battery in a fireproof charging bag during charging is in case the battery vents and an explosion happens such as we saw in that video. It provides just one more barrier for safety.

It's not foolproof, you still cannot charge unattended, you still need to remove from charging as soon as the battery is charged, you still need to set it in a fireproof location... but it is one more barrier for safety. The more the merrier where safety is concerned. (And carpet)

 

[Baditude]

Hello. The guy has a tube mod with an integrated LiPo battery. I am recommending he puts his Lipo battery into a fireproof charging bag for LiPo batteries (Not a storage bag, but a bag designed for charging)

LiPo and Liion are different batteries... I am recommending for LiPo safety - and there is nothing unsafe about using a fireproof Lipo charging for charging Lipo batteries. It's what it's designed for.

People use them every day for good reason - safety.

Hello... the charger is a USB CABLE - the same thing you charge your phone with.

Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you. Mooch is already on record saying to not use LiPo charging bags for vaping devices. Untar is right, you are wrong.

LiPo batteries are just another classification of lithium batteries (Li-Ion), as are ICR, IMR, INR, and NCR.

In the remote control toy hobby, LiPo batteries are used. Those hobbyists use LiPo charging bags because with their charging setups the charger and batteries are used separately...connected to each other only with electrical cords. The batteries go into the bag, but the charger remains OUTSIDE of the bag because the chargers create heat. If the charger was put into the bag where there is no air ventilation to cool the charger, then the likelihood that an explosion would occur would increase.

The charger for internal battery mods is inside the mod; often referred to as an onboard charger. The USB cord is just an electrical conduit from the wall wort to the actual charger inside the mod.

If you use a LiPo bag while charging an internal battery mod, heat buildup because of a lack of open air ventilation, would actually create a problem that wouldn't exist without the bag.

 

[untar]

I know what device we're talking about. And again, you can repeat it how many times you like, but a cable isn't a charger. Angry pixies go in one end and come out the other with no regulation whatsoever, it's impossible to charge anything with just a "USB charging cable". The wall adapter provides USB power, and since smok doesn't provide one it's a generic USB wall adapter with no other functionality.

No matter how you look at it, the charger in this case is built into the battery section of the smok stick.

 

[Opinionated]

Sorry, but I'm going to disagree with you. Mooch is already on record saying to not use LiPo charging bags for vaping devices.

LiPo batteries are just another classification of lithium batteries (Li-Ion), as are ICR, IMR, INR, and NCR.

In the remote control toy hobby, LiPo batteries are used. They use LiPo charging bags because with their charging setups the charger and batteries are used separately...connected only with electrical cords. The batteries go into the bag, but the charger remains OUTSIDE of the bag because the chargers create heat. If put into the bag where there is no air ventilation to cool the charger, then the likelihood that an explosion would occur would increase.

The charger for internal battery mods is inside the mod. The USB cord is just an electrical conduit from the wall wort.

If you use a LiPo bag while charging an internal battery mod, heat buildup because of a lack of open air ventilation would actually create a problem that wouldn't exist without the bag.

I've never once heard mooch say that. .. honestly I havent. All I've ever heard anyone say is to use those bags on the internal battery mods..

And I've never seen these internal battery little mods get hot when charging either like our 18650 chargers can sometimes get.

Back when I was using them (egos ) I always used charging bags because that was recommended back then. ..

If mooch says not to (to which a link can be provided if he's said that, I couldn't find anything either way) then I am happy to concede the point...

I just don't see any safety issue at all with using them.

 

[Baditude]

@Opinionated Mooch spoke out against LiPo charging bags in this thread on Reddit. Smok Stick X8 Blows Up

About half way down the page, you can see this:

carvener
Get one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B5PXWP4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KftCAbGE2PRRD​

• Mooch315
  
  Don’t put the charger or device in that bag though! It can cause overheating, leading to the very thing you’re trying to protect against.

 

[untar]

SMOK Stick X8 Blows up in a massive explosion • r/Vaping
(search bag in the reddit link and go forward a few times)

Those are 2 occasions where he says to not put a charger in a lipo safety bag. If a device has a builtin charger that means you shouldn't charge the device in such a bag.

 

[Opinionated]

@Opinionated Mooch spoke out against LiPo charging bags in this thread on Reddit. Smok Stick X8 Blows Up Battery Mooch reaches out to help.

About half way down the page, you can see this:

carvener

Get one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B5PXWP4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KftCAbGE2PRRD

• Mooch315
  
  Don’t put the charger or device in that bag though! It can cause overheating, leading to the very thing you’re trying to protect against.

I will concede the point...

But if that's the case why have we always been told to? This is the first I'm ever seeing anything about not using them... and I've been here for three years.

 

[Opinionated]

SMOK Stick X8 Blows up in a massive explosion • r/Vaping
(search bag in the reddit link and go forward a few times)

Those are 2 occasions where he says to not put a charger in a lipo safety bag. If a device has a builtin charger that means you shouldn't charge the device in such a bag.

I don't use reddit.

 

[Baditude]

I don't use reddit.

I generally don't either. I was lead to his post (I think) on Reddit from his Facebook page.

 

[Opinionated]

I generally don't either. I was lead to his post (I think) on Reddit from his Facebook page.

Another thing I don't use... hahaha.

Well.. I won't recommend them then.

 

[Baditude]

But if that's the case why have we always been told to? This is the first I'm ever seeing anything about not using them... and I've been here for three years.

It has ALWAYS been a controversial topic. I even mention the Yay or Nay topic in my blog:

Guide to Choosing a Li-ion Battery Charger​

 

[untar]

But if that's the case why have we always been told to?

I don't know. And it's not like it isn't spread around further. I know that e.g. pbusardo puts a charger, that is a charger for external batteries, in a lipo safety bag to charge his batteries and did recommend on his channel to do so at least once.

I don't use reddit.

I don't blame you, I don't have an account either
Sometimes I read some threads on there, like the smok one.
The first link was a facebook link, I'm not sure why it is displayed like that, if you click on the "show more" it will however show the rest of the post without leaving ecf.

 

[Opinionated]

I don't know. And it's not like it isn't spread around further. I know that e.g. pbusardo puts a charger, that is a charger for external batteries, in a lipo safety bag to charge his batteries and did recommend on his channel to do so at least once.

I don't blame you, I don't have an account either
Sometimes I read some threads on there, like the smok one.
The first link was a facebook link, I'm not sure why it is displayed like that, if you click on the "show more" it will however show the rest of the post without leaving ecf.

I wouldn't put an 18650 charger in those bags because I know they can generate heat, especially when your charging several batteries at a time.

I just never heard not to put the small batteries in them... those to my knowledge never generated heat... but perhaps it is with these higher powered newer models they do...

Anyway, I was incorrect... and your right, many people who are generally respected use them seeing them as one more barrier to setting your house on fire.

 

[Bonskibon]

I certainly learned a lot reading through this thread. I also thought that using those "bags" while charging was ok. I don't have one, but back in my early year of vaping I considered it.

 

[untar]

Hmmm... maybe there's a market gap... some kind of ventilated "bomb bag" for vapers. I can totally see some framework made from light materials and a flame ......ant/proof and somewhat shrapnel resistant fabric put over that like a little tent, with passive ventilation from indirect holes at the bottom and top. Easily disassembled for ease of transport.
The main functions would be to prevent injury and contain a failing device so it can't fly around like a rocket, as well as prevent burning debris from getting thrown around. Are you buying yet?
Fear is always a good selling point